First Time "Big grow" failures or success?

Hey everyone, haven't been online for a while but I have something very important that the rollitup community can help me with.

I have some friends with a pretty sizable medical marijuana collective that are now looking to grow for themselves. The laws are pushing for that in SoCal so I guess this will happen a lot in the coming months. The problem is none of them are growers, maybe one has grown a few plants but nothing sizable.

They got together the money to rent a place within the guidelines and bought about (10) 1,000 watt cooled hood setups. Before they go build it out and do something drastic what do you all think about this.

Should any group of people no matter how large or well funded do something like this without a grower and expect it to turn out ok?

Can they do with part time/consulting help or should they have someone(a grower) there fulltime?

Does anyone have links to any first time "big grow" successes or failures? I know I've seen them but I can't find them by searching.

Thanks

Sounds like a damn big operation and with all that money invested I would definitely suggest they find a trustworthy hand with this project. Anybody can pull off a plant or two in a closet but something that size is going to take proper management. 10 1kw lamps? Make sure they're careful not to burn the place down! lol

Cheers

BTW love your avatar!

GreenLight said:

Hey everyone, haven't been online for a while but I have something very important that the rollitup community can help me with.

I have some friends with a pretty sizable medical marijuana collective that are now looking to grow for themselves. The laws are pushing for that in SoCal so I guess this will happen a lot in the coming months. The problem is none of them are growers, maybe one has grown a few plants but nothing sizable.

They got together the money to rent a place within the guidelines and bought about (10) 1,000 watt cooled hood setups. Before they go build it out and do something drastic what do you all think about this.

Should any group of people no matter how large or well funded do something like this without a grower and expect it to turn out ok?

Can they do with part time/consulting help or should they have someone(a grower) there fulltime?

Does anyone have links to any first time "big grow" successes or failures? I know I've seen them but I can't find them by searching.

Thanks

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well, my advice is
read read read
jorge cervantes book ; indoor marijuana horticulture is an excellent source, it will tell you just about everything you wanna know, and the problem with stuff on the internet , is ; its full of shit, theres loads of myths such as trimming the leaves to a round shape to make it more resinous, everything in botany points to the logical opposite effect. so you guys should be fine as long as you get solid evidence . some things are bound to go bad on ur first try but your not going to get experience any other way and if your worried about it , do a test run on a much smaller scale. and be prepaired to put a good deal of work into it .
hope that helps
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Yeah or download Ultimate Grow 1 and 2 videos

Yea having a 10,000W first grow is retarded. Get someone who knows their shit to help you set up and hire them as a full time gardener. Youre going to end up with a bunch of dead plants or crap weed by the end of it. You will waste tons of money on electricity and space. Go to any hydro shop and hook someone up.

I'm sure all of you know the problem with people thinking this is just a "plant" if you plant it, it will grow.

I have recommended that they hire a full time grower for the first 1-2 harvests that can train them during that time.
I have all of Jorge's videos and them some so I will pass them down for sure.

I have told them about a good cultivation course that comes highly recommended by other experienced growers I know

They will not do a smaller grow as they wont listen to hiring a grower.

I have estimated they could waste up to $4-5,000 in power just for that first harvest. They will not have any medicine for their patients and they will loose a TON of money.

Come on guys, help me make a good case for stopping these guys before they do something horrible. And thats not even if they burn the place down >.<

Anyone remember the guy Tim or Jim that did a 6k grow for his first time? Thread was posted about a year and a half ago.

Oh and to clarify something this is someone elses collective, NOT MINE. I would personally not get involved in a growing operation that is being run by a bunch of unexperienced people. I could maybe make time to consult on this but being involved would just be a waste of my time.

If they decided to hire someone full time I have a number of people that I would go to and have gone to for similar projects. If anything like I said they should have someone Build it out, set it up, train people as they go through the process.

But no, they truthfully believe that this is something that can be done so long as you have enough money. I really dont want to see them crash and burn like this so Im looking to the community for a more in depth opinion from other sources other then myself.

Please rant on, I'm printing it all. Tell me all your horror stories and the good ones if there are any.

How big of a grow should they do maximum if they intend to "test" this out? I say 3,000watts TOTAL

Do they realize how much that would be with 10 1k lights? thats crazy. Just Keep It Simple Stupid applys here. How much do they plan on harvesting? I would say heathly clones straight into flower of an indica would be the best bet. The less time it takes the less time they have to screw it up. What setup are they planning on, hydro, soil? A Sog would be good here also with less lights. Why not try a very short flowering indica as a test run to see if they have it.

Other than that, point them here and take pics. I would love to see this start to finish.

George

3k would be possible. Really it all depends on the person. If they can take the stress and be paitent it will work. The number one down fall is to much messing around with everthing. Tell them to before they do anything. It has helped my grow alot.

I say 3k of dwc or Rdwc and a very simple nutrient plan.


Paul

GreenLight said:

I'm sure all of you know the problem with people thinking this is just a "plant" if you plant it, it will grow.

I have recommended that they hire a full time grower for the first 1-2 harvests that can train them during that time.
I have all of Jorge's videos and them some so I will pass them down for sure.

I have told them about a good cultivation course that comes highly recommended by other experienced growers I know

They will not do a smaller grow as they wont listen to hiring a grower.

I have estimated they could waste up to $4-5,000 in power just for that first harvest. They will not have any medicine for their patients and they will loose a TON of money.

Come on guys, help me make a good case for stopping these guys before they do something horrible. And thats not even if they burn the place down >.<

Anyone remember the guy Tim or Jim that did a 6k grow for his first time? Thread was posted about a year and a half ago.

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Hopefully their power bill is only 4-5k for a full harvest. My pops just got a power bill for one month, after added his third 1000.

Are you ready for this bill...

His bill for the month was just over $1K.

Depending on the area, the provider, and the method of charging they could spend that every two months.

GreenLight said:

Oh and to clarify something this is someone elses collective, NOT MINE. I would personally not get involved in a growing operation that is being run by a bunch of unexperienced people. I could maybe make time to consult on this but being involved would just be a waste of my time.

If they decided to hire someone full time I have a number of people that I would go to and have gone to for similar projects. If anything like I said they should have someone Build it out, set it up, train people as they go through the process.

But no, they truthfully believe that this is something that can be done so long as you have enough money. I really dont want to see them crash and burn like this so Im looking to the community for a more in depth opinion from other sources other then myself.

Please rant on, I'm printing it all. Tell me all your horror stories and the good ones if there are any.

How big of a grow should they do maximum if they intend to "test" this out? I say 3,000watts TOTAL

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I have a half a horror story as well for your first time grower buddies.

My buddy invested a couple $K only to have his first couple harvests fail completely, even after reading books.

I watched him for about a decade before I started dabbling in this hobby, and my first crop was DANK. Everyone I showed didnt believe it was my first. My wife hardly believed it and she watched them. It was good BUT, (one more time fore clarification) BUT I could have done better, I pulled a 1/2 lb with 24 plants under two 1000 hps. That hurt...

A good grower needs to be able to research, resource, invest time and money, and experience goes a long way. Just like with anything else; tradesman or woman, sales, fabricator. Unless they grew up in a greenhouse or on a farm.

Videos, books, classes and all the rest mean nothing with a 2,000 sqft warehouse, 10,000 watts, 150 plants and 2 guys who have never grown. They will get all wrapped up in the first problem while 4 others take hold.

They cant do SOG because they already got the plants from a neighboring collective for a stagering $5,000 donation. They *RANGE* from 2-4ft tall! and have something like 20 strains that are unlabeled. Yes thats right guys we cant even sort out the flowering times, heights or PPM limit. I dont know whether to laugh or cry honestly...

My recent consulting nightmare. I had a friend working with me on a grow for 2 months all the while being trained and absorbing 20 gigs of cannabis videos and books. I went to his house, built up his set up for 24 girls under 2,000 watts and stayed untill the lights went 12/12. His first harvest was pretty good but he burned a lot of tops because he wanted them to get more light >.< Burned like they were ready to smoke right off the branch! If this could happen with one guy and 24 plants...

At least with him its that learning curve and nothing major will happen if he slips up on a crop. But what do you do with 15 lbs of crappy meds when you have patients counting on you?

Thanks everyone I think this will really help, at very least none of you are saying its a "good" idea which is what I want to point out. You can't invest $100,000 unless you are absolutely sure about what you are doing and if you are going to invest that... HIRE SOMEONE. And that someone better be be experienced and paid well otherwise why would they doing it.

I told them me and one other grower will consult for $50/hour and make sure they are pointed in the right direction. I just don't believe thats enough, they really need someone there full time for at very least this first harvest.

Let me also mention that both of them have lives outside of this and that each of them can maybe devote 25 hours a week, most likely not at the same times

Ewwwww can't you just smell the moldy nugs now?

I'll be sure to take some pics, but I still want to try and save them the trouble of being THAT horror story.

Professor Puff.n.Tuff said:

I have a half a horror story as well for your first time grower buddies.

My buddy invested a couple $K only to have his first couple harvests fail completely, even after reading books.

I watched him for about a decade before I started dabbling in this hobby, and my first crop was DANK. Everyone I showed didnt believe it was my first. My wife hardly believed it and she watched them. It was good BUT, (one more time fore clarification) BUT I could have done better, I pulled a 1/2 lb with 24 plants under two 1000 hps. That hurt


A good grower needs to be able to research, resource, invest time and money, and experience goes a long way. Just like with anything else; tradesman or woman, sales, fabricator. Unless they grew up in a greenhouse or on a farm.

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1/2 lb?? thats like 9 ounces
shit man, under all those conditions that must hav been like a kick in the nuts
how cum they didnt yeild as much?
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