First time growing in 10 years, tell me what you think of my setup
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berkman858
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Just started Week 7 of Flower. I went to the hydro store today and got some pretty good advice that was confirmed by a customer. The recommendation was to use Advanced Nutrients Final Phase flush next week and to do a whole week of flushing instead of the 4 days I was going to do. He also said to taper off on my nutes this week and then do a flush with Final Phase for 6 hours, empty system, and refill with R/O water and let that sit for the week unless the PPM rises because that means there are salts in the solution and they can be reabsorbed by the plants and I don't want that.
billcollector99
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TBH. You can get the same results using water...
All that AN shit is overpriced BS anyhow..
Hydro store will tell you what you need to hear in order to get you to cough up your money.
All that AN shit is overpriced BS anyhow..
Hydro store will tell you what you need to hear in order to get you to cough up your money.
berkman858
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Yeah I know about the hype but the way this dude's eyes got all wide when he started talking about this and a customer just happened to walk in and he said, oh that's a guy who uses it, and the customer said to absolutely use it. I saw the quantity and quality of what this customer was purchasing so I am inclined to believe what I heard. Either way it was only $18 and I can't see not spending $18 on a final flush that COULD possibly make my buds cleaner, tastier, and more aromatic. It could just be hocus pocus but for $18 I don't feel to bad. I will let you guys know how it goes, but this being my first grow in 10 years I don't have much to compare to.
berkman858
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No, what? This stuff was some sulfer in it.
This is from a website that sells it:
Derived from: Free Form EDTA Chelate, Citric Acid, Magnesium Sulfate
billcollector99
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[h=1]Ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid aka EDTA[/h]EDTA is in such widespread use that it has emerged as a persistent organic pollutant.[SUP][23][/SUP] It degrades to ethylenediaminetriacetic acid, which then cyclizes to the diketopiperizide, a cumulative, persistent, organic environmental pollutant. An alternative chelating agent with fewer environmental pollution implications is EDDS.
EDTA exhibits low acute toxicity with LD[SIZE=-1][SUB]50[/SUB][/SIZE] (rat) of 2.0 – 2.2 g/kg.[SUP][4][/SUP] It has been found to be both cytotoxic and weakly genotoxic in laboratory animals. Oral exposures have been noted to cause reproductive and developmental effects.[SUP][9][/SUP] The same study by Lanigan[SUP][9][/SUP]also found that both dermal exposure to EDTA in most cosmetic formulations and inhalation exposure to EDTA in aerosolized cosmetic formulations would produce exposure levels below those seen to be toxic in oral dosing studies.
EDTA exhibits low acute toxicity with LD[SIZE=-1][SUB]50[/SUB][/SIZE] (rat) of 2.0 – 2.2 g/kg.[SUP][4][/SUP] It has been found to be both cytotoxic and weakly genotoxic in laboratory animals. Oral exposures have been noted to cause reproductive and developmental effects.[SUP][9][/SUP] The same study by Lanigan[SUP][9][/SUP]also found that both dermal exposure to EDTA in most cosmetic formulations and inhalation exposure to EDTA in aerosolized cosmetic formulations would produce exposure levels below those seen to be toxic in oral dosing studies.
billcollector99
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You sure you want that shit anywhere near your buds??
berkman858
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Now I don't know. But I am sure I can find scary info on all of the nutes that we are using, even organic shit. Where did you get that from? Wikipedia?
Not saying it's not right, but real world experienced growers told me they love it. Labs say bad but growers say good. Who would you go with? It's a hard decision.
berkman858
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Another thing, I didn't feel like he was trying to "sell" me on it. At the end of his rant I told him fuck it I will buy it and he was a little surprised. I know hydro store guys get a bad rap but these guys are really good and don't up sell me or pressure me into buying stuff I don't want or need, as far as I know. That's why I trust them when they go off on a product, it's because they haven't done me wrong so I have no reason to doubt them. If they fuck me, I will re-evaluate but for now I will hear what they say and make my mind up as to what I want to do and it is working out pretty well don't you think?
budleydoright
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Read the Advanced nutrients sales pitch, then go online and do a search on penis enlargement or credit repair. You can almost change the names of the products. I think most of their stuff is what it is (which means you get what you got!). but c'mon, plant nutrition isn't new, they've been doing it for decades. I tend to trust science more than a couple of stoners with degree's in marketing.
It's what gramps would call a sugar TIT!
Read some common sense stuff that relates to botany like some of uncle ben's threads. This is old school, growing plants and shit. i personally find it best to learn old school the ol pro's .
It's what gramps would call a sugar TIT!
Read some common sense stuff that relates to botany like some of uncle ben's threads. This is old school, growing plants and shit. i personally find it best to learn old school the ol pro's .
berkman858
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Is AN really that bad? I know they have 1 or 2 things that aren't good but could these guys be that far off? I know they are stoners but aren't you and I the same? And I take your and all of the other stoners advice and brainstorm about it and make my own decision as to what I want to do. I don't see how it's all that different than listening to you fuckheads.
P.S. - I aint worried about my dick size, I am a grower not a show-er so I got it where it counts, I don't need no dick cream.
WTF is a sugar tit?
berkman858
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You say read some common sense stuff, are you implying that I am missing the rudimentary knowledge required?
Oh, I think you were referring to the Sugar Tits question, my bad.
Oh, I think you were referring to the Sugar Tits question, my bad.
budleydoright
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I'm not saying they're bad. They are simply taking something that people are passionate about and exploiting it for a profit. Nothing wrong with that, I just don't like paying more for my fuel than I have too. I'll never forget the feeling I had after walking out of a hydro store with a gallon of hype (floranecter in this case) and realizing I just paid 60 bucks for a gallon of water and a cup of molasses. It's simple shit, elements. You can byt premixed pancake batter in a box or you can mix your own. You still end up with cakes.
BTW: a Sugar Tit is simply a wet finger dipped in sugar and suckled on by a baby. I guess you need kids to get that.
BTW: a Sugar Tit is simply a wet finger dipped in sugar and suckled on by a baby. I guess you need kids to get that.
berkman858
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I hear you bro, that feeling sucks a bag of dicks. I don't like getting sold magic fairy dust only to learn it's just dust so I know what you mean but honestly these two guys gave me the genuine feeling that they really believe in this product so the only thing that could be wrong here is that both of these guys are mistaking this "magic potion" effect for something else that they are doing. I don't know their grows well enough to say either way I am just going on gut instinct on this one so we'll see what happens. I have been doing the same thing for this entire grow and it seems to be going well so I am going to stay the course until something negative happens. I am still always open to comments and opinions, I may not agree with them but I always appreciate the feedback.
budleydoright
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That's why I don't critisize their products. Just their marketing. It offends my sence of intellegence, plus they have a cult like following that has bought into the hype. You can get what you need at walmart if you choose. It's more about enviroment and technique. The science of plant nutrition was solved by science, not "Big Mike". Look at the labels, your a smart dood. It won't take you as long as many others.
berkman858
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That is interesting, I have never read any of their marketing fluff. I don't usually believe any of that shit anyway. I am only going on personal recommendation from one of the guys at the hydro store and he may be way off. Time will tell. I don't think this Final Phase stuff is going to ruin my crop, but I may be wrong. I have taken a lot of risks this grow but they have all been calculated risks.
wheels619
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mmm dick cream and sugar titts.Is AN really that bad? I know they have 1 or 2 things that aren't good but could these guys be that far off? I know they are stoners but aren't you and I the same? And I take your and all of the other stoners advice and brainstorm about it and make my own decision as to what I want to do. I don't see how it's all that different than listening to you fuckheads.
P.S. - I aint worried about my dick size, I am a grower not a show-er so I got it where it counts, I don't need no dick cream.
WTF is a sugar tit?
wheels619
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the hydro store guys are just trying to make the cash. some are good sales people and get u to buy some stupid shit sometimes. lol. i bought a gallon of flush one time cuz the guy said he used it religiously and that it works. read the ingredients on the side of the bottle and now i dont go to the hydro store when that guy is working. just wen t in when he was off and swapped it out. lol.
berkman858
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Alright well we will see how it goes, I think I am going to use the Final Phase flush. I am still debating it though.