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So these GG4 are a little over 3 weeks in. They were acting a little weird in veg putting out single and 3 finger leaves but they were healthy so I kicked them over. Now they are not looking normal. Usually at this point I normally have nice white fluffy balls. I don't have a clue what's going on. I had a low ph problem for about 5 days but I caught it and took care of it. They have beautiful roots they're nice and green. Any input would help.24665.jpeg 0618181937a.jpg 24665.jpeg 0618181937a.jpg
 

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freemancat

freemancat

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It might just be the photo but they look like potential hermie to me.. Yeah weird leaf mutations too.

Are they all that way? From seed or clone?
 
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freemancat said:
It might just be the photo but they look like potential hermie to me.. Yeah weird leaf mutations too.

Are they all that way? From seed or clone?
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I got them as clones made a mother and the first batch came out fine then this time I had the leaf mutations in veg and when I turned them over they kicked out of it and started putting out normal leaves and everything looked fine now the last few days this. Those little pods at the bottom aren't seeds I'm not good with plant anatomy but my buds always kick a couple of those out when they finish but I'm clueless and bummed a lot of time and money invested.
 
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freemancat

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Weird if they aren't developing seed pods then am not sure what they are. Calyxes when they swell get big but not this big and not so early into flower.

They mutated somehow..it sucks but maybe try growing these out/run them through bubble bags for hash and for next run buying different clone or some good seeds with solid genetics.
 
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freemancat said:
Weird if they aren't developing seed pods then am not sure what they are. Calyxes when they swell get big but not this big and not so early into flower.

They mutated somehow..it sucks but maybe try growing these out/run them through bubble bags for hash and for next run buying different clone or some good seeds with solid genetics.
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Hey man. :P

Firstly they are clones?
First clones flowered fine?

Secondly the "white stuff" on the leaf in the front of the photo.
What is it?
Can you get a better pic? Its hard to tell. (Looks like sugar. But its hard to tell)

Lastly.
Whats your environment?

Light cycle?
Light leaks?
Temperature? (day + night)
Humidity? (day + night)
Air extraction, and replenishment?
Type of light + wattage?
Npk%
Water?
Feeding ppm/ec?

Everything.
Could be any one of these.

If the last flowered were fine. Its so unlikely its hermaphrodite.
Otherwise your first plants were hermaphrodite too.

It almost looks like a reveg.
Something is stressing it right out.

:peace:
 
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Tim1987 said:
Hey man. :P

Firstly they are clones?
First clones flowered fine?

Secondly the "white stuff" on the leaf in the front of the photo.
What is it?
Can you get a better pic? Its hard to tell. (Looks like sugar. But its hard to tell)

Lastly.
Whats your environment?

Light cycle?
Light leaks?
Temperature? (day + night)
Humidity? (day + night)
Air extraction, and replenishment?
Type of light + wattage?
Npk%
Water?
Feeding ppm/ec?

Everything.
Could be any one of these.

If the last flowered were fine. Its so unlikely its hermaphrodite.
Otherwise your first plants were hermaphrodite too.

It almost looks like a reveg.
Something is stressing it right out.

:peace:
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Yeah they're12/12 I'm using Elite nutes no light leaks The humidity went up a little as did the temp but I'm pulling air out of the room and have indirect fans so it's not bad I put a dehumid in the other day. The first grow they were fine everything was normal this time I had to keep them in veg a little longer than I planned waiting for some others to finish up and about the last10 days in veg under24 hrs of light because I had a timer take a shit they started putting out those weird single finger and3 finger leaves then after the first week in budding they started to come out of it and put out 5 finger leaves and then they started to look like they were revegging so I went down with lights out to see where they were getting light and it was black as can be . I've been doing this off and on for30 yrs and never had anything like this happen they are super healthy. I think the white on the leaf is just a weird reflection the leaves are dark and shiny. I'm going to let them go and see what happens I'll take more pics in a couple weeks if anything it will be interesting
 
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Mr.Green Jeans said:
Yeah they're12/12 I'm using Elite nutes no light leaks The humidity went up a little as did the temp but I'm pulling air out of the room and have indirect fans so it's not bad I put a dehumid in the other day. The first grow they were fine everything was normal this time I had to keep them in veg a little longer than I planned waiting for some others to finish up and about the last10 days in veg under24 hrs of light because I had a timer take a shit they started putting out those weird single finger and3 finger leaves then after the first week in budding they started to come out of it and put out 5 finger leaves and then they started to look like they were revegging so I went down with lights out to see where they were getting light and it was black as can be . I've been doing this off and on for30 yrs and never had anything like this happen they are super healthy. I think the white on the leaf is just a weird reflection the leaves are dark and shiny. I'm going to let them go and see what happens I'll take more pics in a couple weeks if anything it will be interesting
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Cool.
Good luck mate.
You think maybe it was going from 18/6 veg, to 24/0 for 10days, then straight to 12/12 bloom?
Switching up the light cycle like that, wouldnt surprise me if it was the cause TBH. The 10 days at 24hrs sounds sus. They may have thought the season was getting longer? So started vegging more. Then you flipped straight to flower, and confused them?
Is the light period the only thing different to last time?
 
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Yeah that's all that was different that's pretty much what I was figuring just wanted some input and to share so other people can learn thx for the input I will keep updating until they finish
Tim1987 said:
Cool.
Good luck mate.
You think maybe it was going from 18/6 veg, to 24/0 for 10days, then straight to 12/12 bloom?
Switching up the light cycle like that, wouldnt surprise me if it was the cause TBH. The 10 days at 24hrs sounds sus. They may have thought the season was getting longer? So started vegging more. Then you flipped straight to flower, and confused them?
Is the light period the only thing different to last time?
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freemancat said:
Weird if they aren't developing seed pods then am not sure what they are. Calyxes when they swell get big but not this big and not so early into flower.

They mutated somehow..it sucks but maybe try growing these out/run them through bubble bags for hash and for next run buying different clone or some good seeds with solid genetics.
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Now that I've read about your lighting changes I think those are seed pods ?
-good luck!
 
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whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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If they are clones from the mother and if the mother was in flower at any point and sometimes even if it wasn't they will throw single blade leaves.

It's a sign of reveg. Sometimes it's normal.
 
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Mr.Green Jeans

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whitebb2727 said:
If they are clones from the mother and if the mother was in flower at any point and sometimes even if it wasn't they will throw single blade leaves.

It's a sign of reveg. Sometimes it's normal.
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Yeah that's what was odd the mother was never in flower and while these clones were in veg they just started shooting out weird leaves like 4 weeks in until that point they were completely normal
 
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Tim1987

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I think this thread is getting way out of hand.

Are there any dicks or balls?
Impossible for there to be seed without pollen.

The plants run on a photo period.
Already Vegging plants were given extra light for 10 days (24/0)
Its stated the plants looked weird in veg. (Give an already vegging photo more light in the day. It's gonna veg more)
Then they were put straight under 12/12 for flower.
Hormones in the plants have been all over the place.
If there aren't male flowers. Then it's impossible those are seeds forming.

:peace:

Any dicks or balls?
No pollen. No seeds.
It's as simple as that!
 
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Tim1987

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Did the plants start to look "weird" when under the 24/0 for 10 days?
How long were they under 18/6?

Imho
The plants were growing under 18/6. Happily maturing and expecting for the season to change soon. They were growing in anticipation to flower.
Then they were put under 24/0.
This HAS to trigger a hormonal response. No? So it shocked them into vegging more.
Then put straight away into 12/12.
This is the result.

Imo because of that 24/0 for 10 days. Their photo period looked something like this.

Early spring (whole of veg) - 10 days of mid summer - All of a sudden 12/12.

Imo we sometimes forget these plants have evolved over millions, and millions of years, to grow under the earth's sun. They are seasonal.
Cannabis is an annual plant.
You have effectively tricked an annual into thinking the days are getting longer. So it quickly started to veg some weird foliage (reveg). To cope with the extra light.
Then put straight under 12/12.

They're stressed. Simple.

No stamen. No seeds. Simple.

Lights the only thing that changed this grow.

Seems straight forward enough to me........

:peace:
 
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polishpollack

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What is the temp in the grow space when your sodium is on? Don't guess, give a number that is the peak temp is after several hours of your lights being on. Also, what is the distance between the light and the plant?
 
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