Kingrow1
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Yer its like wading through shit here sometimes...
Flowering question
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Kingrow1
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Yer its like wading through shit here sometimes...
Somatek
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I was talking about apical dominance, not apical/meristematic growing tips. The only reference to growing tips was asking if flowers begin forming at the growing tips (aka shoots, colloquial as proper botanical terms seem to be causing confusion) or base of the branches. Obviously all flowers (calyx is the wrong term as it specifically refers to the leaf bracts which surround the ova & pistil, which all together for an individual flower) form at nodes & expand from there. It's only recently that that's apparently debatable that it's unrelated to apical dominance.The apical growing tip is in fact the upper most point and flowers form at nodes not the tip which would be a vegetative collection of undiferentiated cells or whatever it is biology describes it.
But i digress, calyxs form eitherside at all points of the nodes and thus with calyx comes leaf.
I say the first calyxs to form are also the first calyxs to mature, generally the base of each node and then radiating upwards in each cluster.
Top bottom of plant is irrelevant, i cut at same time, the lower popcorn can form a little latwr than the rest of the bud but anything with enough light is rockung to the same cycle.
All this is obvious if you look at really well grown plants, often when my preflowers mature the calyxs which formed next just above on the base of each bud cluster brown a few days later and this is obvious to see if you crane your neck up and stare at the base of each bud.
The tip of each bud cluster which forms a bud generally still white or last to mature on a lot of bus but at 99% mature this is the 1% that isnt.
I hope you can see what im saying here, stress will alter your buds in many ways so carefull your identifying natural patterns not newbie patterns which i have had frustrate me with shit bud before.
Piss your plant of enough and calyxs wont swell and pistils brown orematurely or nort at all, thats just a crap shot
If you're trying to imply I'm a beginner & stressing plants out I'm done until you offer something to validate your opinion. I grew for over a decade, worked in hydro shops for a half dozen years & know enough not to presume I'm an expert.
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Kingrow1
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Literally the only credentials are time here and your grows, the rest i dont care about.
Im not implyimg yourca noob but i was adding that in just for intrest.
Literally i just state exactly what i see, the first calyxs form are oreflowers and as a generalization id say that starts midway up the thickest branches and above but takes a few days for them to form at tips.
My credetials are that im generally right or objective enough to drive ongoing content, im not here for that though its just merely a way to contribute.
If you dont believe me just look at a semi mature bud and tell me then the calyxs matured at the top or bottom when its dotted all over with equal amounts of brown and white hairs.
Good members here have gone futher and identified that mere browning is not totally mature, its when the hair turns dry and is described as whispy. Youll see the distinction there with ease to.
So i have no idea why this subject is getting so hard, just describe what you see on most pro grows posted here, im simply implying that calyxs form in order and mature in a similar order, where they form first should be pretty much all over your plant within two weeks of flipping to 12/12.
Anything else just aint what happens in my tent sorry
DirtyDogs446
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So what buds should I go by then to know it's ready if they are maturing at different timesNo this is generally incorrect, the first calyxs to form will mature first and then in descending order of age, it dosent work from top to bottom unless the top buds formed before the bottom buds but this is generally not the case as the first calyxs form at all nodes so there is where the first signs of maturity start.
Shit i grow well too much weed to know this crap
Kingrow1
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My plants finish at the same time, suggest problems if half is finishing before the other half.
Go by all buds not just one but easier to just make a thread and post pics for a better answer on when to chop
Somatek
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I would suggest reading about double harvests from grower's like Old Ben. It's a standard way to boost yields with outdoor production & was often debated if it was applicable indoors in the late 90's/early 2000's. I didn't realise this had become a contentious concept but it was accepted as common knowledge that inner/lower buds mature later because of hormones/light/etc.
Somatek
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QUOTE="Kingrow1, post: 14312783, member: 336193"]My plants finish at the same time, suggest problems if half is finishing before the other half.
Go by all buds not just one but easier to just make a thread and post pics for a better answer on when to chop[/QUOTE]
That's your opinion but I don't get the sense you understand the other side of the argument because you keep talking about calyx's at the base of a bud being more mature then the new growth. That's not what I'm talking about & if I understand correctly not what Dirtydogs446 is describing. Which is buds on different parts of the plant maturing unevenly with growing tips starting bud formation first (due to highest concentration of hormones) and lower growth budding slightly slower & taking slightly longer.
Go by all buds not just one but easier to just make a thread and post pics for a better answer on when to chop
[/QUOTE]That's your opinion but I don't get the sense you understand the other side of the argument because you keep talking about calyx's at the base of a bud being more mature then the new growth. That's not what I'm talking about & if I understand correctly not what Dirtydogs446 is describing. Which is buds on different parts of the plant maturing unevenly with growing tips starting bud formation first (due to highest concentration of hormones) and lower growth budding slightly slower & taking slightly longer.