Fluorescents The Whole Way?????

ManInTheShed

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Is it possible to grow through all stages of ganja growth by just using standard fluorescent bulbs. Yes there are the types of floros available to grow through all stages, but they are much more expensive, and i have little money left in the bank. So i was wandering if i can do the whole process (germination-BUD) by using just normal fluorescent bulbs.
 

ManInTheShed

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how much yield do you think i would make with the bulbs that i am using at the moment with two plants. I have two 21watt floros cool white and warm white each with 3750k.
 

ngtybear

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IMHO, you need much more light, regardless of the type. I have 10 42w CFLs I am using for flowering. I veg'ed with 10 26w CFLs and the plants did very well.

BTW: You can buy 26w 6500k CFL's at home depot or wal-mart for less than $10 a 4 pack.
 

Seedlessone

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how much yield do you think i would make with the bulbs that i am using at the moment with two plants. I have two 21watt floros cool white and warm white each with 3750k.


uhhhhh.....probably like a gram. Why not but a 400w hps online for like $120 bucks. Or buy some 42w cfls at walmart or lowes. You wont get jack shit if you use tube flouros for flowering. At the bare minium you will need CFLs for flowering.
 

Scepter1987

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Can you use the 26w CFL's for Growing too? Cause Ill go pick up a couple packs of those to add tomorrow if you can... Im poor and living paycheck to paycheck at the moment so wont be able to buy a HPS... Sad... i know... but i am 19 living on my own supporting 2 in a shitty apartment.. so, i am trying to work with what I got, so, if those CLF's will work with Veg and Flowering, that would be freaking awsome for me. :-)

Love, Peace, and Pot.
-=Scepter=-
 

Seedlessone

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I would suggest buying at least 6 42w CFLs for a decent harvest. But that doesnt mean 5 CFLs for like 10 plants or anything either. Like 1 or 2 plants max.
 

dimebag

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Well ngty that sounds good but are the 42 watt you are using the warm type and where is an easy place to get these......Dimebag
 

cho0b

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I found the 42watt CFLs @ Home Depot for about nine dollars each.. I don't know if that's a decent price for them or not, but it's a reference point.
 

ngtybear

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The 42w CFLs are 2700k (warm or soft white) and I bought them at home depot. Sounds like the same lights which cho0b talked about above. I would suggest letting me cook them for a few days (just install them last night) and see how they hold up. The GE's I used for veg rocked and lasted through the whole cycle.
 

cyphercrash

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1-2 Plants. I have found that this setup places a decent amount of light in the small space that it works in. This should be sufficient to carry you through the whole cycle. THe Highest wattage bulb I found was 40 Real Watts at the time, and they rock.

 

ngtybear

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Way cool.. Hmn.. maybe do the whole inside in beer cans. ;) I so need some mylar!! Tough to find without going online.
 

cyphercrash

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Someone mentioned you can go to walmart or a party supply store and get mylar wrapping paper and or baloons.
 

mogie

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HOW DO I MAKE A SIMPLE REFLECTOR FOR YOUR COMPACT FLUORESCENT?

To build this reflector you will need a regular soda can, any brand will do, which you will need to rinse thoroughly until no residue is left inside. You will also need a good pair or scissor and a robust kitchen knife to cut the metal accordingly. An alternate method to remove the lid, would be to use a can opener. The lip of the lid can be used, and it will cut it cleanly. These tools should be chosen carefully as they will determine over failure or success of this construction. A lack of caution and a sharp metal edge can be fatal to your fingertips so think twice if your tools are capable of doing the job.



How and where to cut:
Firstly, draw a plan of your cutting path on the outside of the can using a permanent marker or a wax crayon. This will aid you to get a better overview of you plan and to avoid silly mistakes on the way.

Cutting the top part of the can out needs to be done first, adjusting the opening according to the size of your bulb. You do not have to cut it exactly to shape as glue (super or high-temp hot glue) can be used to stick the reflector to the bulb ballast later on. A can opener is the preffered tool for this job. The reflector is purposely not covering the ballast to ensure good aeration and to avoid damage to the ballast components, resulting in a short circuit.

Next, you will need to cut the main part of your soda can in half using your scissors. A hole may need to be drilled first using your kitchen knife to get a good starting point for the scissors.

The inside of the can is coated with a thin plastic layer that should not cause any trouble cutting through the sheet metal. The bottom side of the can does not have to remain in place but leaving it will add stability to the reflector and enhance the reflectivity. An extra hole can be cut into the bottom as well to improve ventilation along the bulb or to connect a 50mm pc-fan to the end.

Lastly, two more cuts have to be made into the sides of the semi-circle reflector to ensure that the sides do not reflect the light back to its origin but rather focus it to where it is needed. The reflector can now be bent according to your light requirements thus making it possible to focus it directly on your plants. If your reflector does not quite fit the bulb yet you can now use glue to stick it to the ballast.
 

mogie

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HOW MUCH LIGHT DO I NEED TO VEG CANNABIS PROPERLY?

It all depends on what light you are using, if it’s HID, standard fluoro or compact fluoro (I assume you're not using halogens!). For HID (HPS or MH) lighting, use roughly 30w per square foot, and for flowering use around 60w per square foot. This is merely a guide, your plant, light height; reflective surfaces etc make a huge difference on these numbers. For a small plant, below 1ft tall, I’d say you would need at least 25w of fluorescent light. I find that it isn't at all practical to use tube fluoro’s for the vegetative stage past 6 inches, as only the top of the plant is receiving enough light to carry out photosynthesis properly.

Using an energy saving compact fluoro will help 'push' the light to the base of the plant, assisting photosynthesis. If the plant indicates it needs more light by growing slowly, and with small leaf petioles, you may need more light. Go with the basic rule of keeping the fluoro’s very close, and using roughly 20-30w per square foot for strong vegetative growth. If you can afford to over-light your grow room, why not? You wont regret it when your plant is bushy and healthy. If you feel that you need to only purchase a minimum amount of lights, you probably shouldn’t be growing.

Growing takes effort and money, and if you can't support a plants needs you might as well just forget growing until you can afford a proper setup. Skimping on lights is the biggest mistake a grower can make, because photosynthesis is so important to for a health plant.


THE TRUTH ABOUT WATT RATINGS

When purchasing a compact fluorescent, you will notice that nearly all of them have a larger number on the box, than what it actually is. This number is the lights comparison to the brightness of a standard incandescent globe. Do not be fooled, this does not mean that the light is 100w! It is most likely around 18w.

Now, here is where the myth behind these lights is uncovered. Most people will say that you should totally discard the brightness rating. This is wrong! The brighter a light is, the more penetration it has. With a usual, run-of-the-mill compact fluorescent (say, 15w) it emits only 15w of light with poor penetration. An energy saving compact fluorescent with 15w of light, which is rated to 100w of light, will only emit 15w of light. The difference between the two is, the energy saving light has a much stronger light penetration of the normal one, while still only emitting 15w of light.

This is beneficial to growers because with a larger plant, a normal 15w compact fluoro will sufficiently light one part of the plant, and by the time the light has reached the other side of the plant, so much of the light has been lost that it is barely worth having. With the energy saving compact fluorescents, the light will travel to the other side of the plant, and still have enough intensity for reasonable results.


HANGING YOUR LIGHTS OVER YOUR PLANTS

Keep these lights under a reflector all of the time to concentrate the light onto the plant. Hang them horizontally, as most of the light is given off by the middle of the tubes. Keep them close to the plants. As a general rule of thumb, 1 inch away from the top of the plant is perfect. Any more, and you're wasting your time, and less and you risk burning your plant (although these lights are very cool, it is possible to burn your plant if it touches the light or ballast for an extended period of time). If you're given the option, go for a few compact fluoro’s positioned around the plant, as opposed to 1 strong light at the top. Positioning lights around the plant help stop vertical stretching, and encourage the plant to bush out.


WHY IS A HID "BETTER" THAN A COMPACT FLUORESCENT?

HID lighting is generally accepted as a better light for growing cannabis for a few reasons...
· It has much better light penetration
· It is much more powerful (higher lumen output)
· It is stronger in light spectrums suited for growing plants

What can we do to combat these problems to make the most out of our fluoro’s?

· Use a good reflector. Desk lamp reflectors are perfect, along with coke cans (cut in half from top to bottom).
· Purchase lights with high energy saving capabilities (e.g. high watt ratings)to increase light penetration
· Purchase lights with suitable spectrum strengths for each phase of growing (eg warm white, cool white etc.)
· Keep the lights close to maximize intensity
 

panheadcharlie

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Is it possible to grow through all stages of ganja growth by just using standard fluorescent bulbs. Yes there are the types of floros available to grow through all stages, but they are much more expensive, and i have little money left in the bank. So i was wandering if i can do the whole process (germination-BUD) by using just normal fluorescent bulbs.
:hump: florescents are good if going to use them make sure they are T5 s and puts out 5100 lumens per tube and 6500 kelvin and they make a blooming tube also that puts out 4400 lumens 3300 kelvin :hump: with normal flor. it will be very slow.save up and get what you need.go to in the sun .com you can get a 250 watt hps kit for 90 bucksthis includes bulb and sale goes all the way up to a 1000 watt for little bit over 200 bucks:peace: ...........chuck
 
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