Flushing question

bird mcbride said:

I fell sorry for you and your buddy. My RO water roots off flush has already been proven on you tube a few month ago. It was done by extremely sceptical people like yourself. Sad, I've been kushing my weed for 30 some years this way. And ya, I did come up with F&D and the first large op was done in 1993. RO water treatment has always put the edge on sales for us.

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OMG youtube. Then it must be fact because you know, there is nothing but pure factual stuff on youtube. Like I said, if you did all of these "great" things like invent F&D why can't you back it up or post any sort of pictures? You seem to avoid that question every time I ask it.

I love how those asking for "scientific proof" have yet to show one piece of "scientific proof" themselves....
Unless you count "I smoked some not flushed and it was GOOOOD".... Nice scientific proof...

Here ya go... "scientific proof"....

http://www.druglibrary.net/olsen/HEMP/IHA/jiha4207.html

THC content of leaves of each plant part decreased in response to N fertilizer (Fig. 1b).

These experiments show that the THC content of leaves decreases with increasing N doses. This phenomenon is favorable for agricultural production, because nitrogen fertilization will increase stem yield and simultaneously decrease THC content of the plant significantly. Additional studies are necessary to determine optimal N dose/ha, time of application, fertilizer type and the lowest THC content achievable under field conditions.


But hey, you smoked some and couldn't tell any difference, so....

althor said:

I love how those asking for "scientific proof" have yet to show one piece of "scientific proof" themselves....
Unless you count "I smoked some not flushed and it was GOOOOD".... Nice scientific proof...

Here ya go... "scientific proof"....

http://www.druglibrary.net/olsen/HEMP/IHA/jiha4207.html

THC content of leaves of each plant part decreased in response to N fertilizer (Fig. 1b).

These experiments show that the THC content of leaves decreases with increasing N doses. This phenomenon is favorable for agricultural production, because nitrogen fertilization will increase stem yield and simultaneously decrease THC content of the plant significantly. Additional studies are necessary to determine optimal N dose/ha, time of application, fertilizer type and the lowest THC content achievable under field conditions.


But hey, you smoked some and couldn't tell any difference, so....

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Adding a lot of N in flowering will decrease THC content in leaves. so, If I am using bloom foods that are low in N. How does running gallons of water thru my pot make it higher in THC? how does that make it taste better?

althor said:

I love how those asking for "scientific proof" have yet to show one piece of "scientific proof" themselves....
Unless you count "I smoked some not flushed and it was GOOOOD".... Nice scientific proof...

Here ya go... "scientific proof"....

http://www.druglibrary.net/olsen/HEMP/IHA/jiha4207.html

THC content of leaves of each plant part decreased in response to N fertilizer (Fig. 1b).

These experiments show that the THC content of leaves decreases with increasing N doses. This phenomenon is favorable for agricultural production, because nitrogen fertilization will increase stem yield and simultaneously decrease THC content of the plant significantly. Additional studies are necessary to determine optimal N dose/ha, time of application, fertilizer type and the lowest THC content achievable under field conditions.


But hey, you smoked some and couldn't tell any difference, so....

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That basically says use less nitrogen for more thc content(which is very small in the study(0.5-0.7%) because it's about hemp not smokable cannabis) And to use more nitrogen to increase stem yield. Not sure what that has to do with flushing.... which is removing ALL nutrients from the plant to improve "taste and flavor" That's speaking about THC levels and stem yield. But sure, let's pretend it's about flushing to make bud taste better.

To summarize that article is about how to reduce thc content by means of increasing nitrogen so the strain can meet EU standards for hemp production.

You should have read the entire article before assuming it would help your argument that flushing is beneficial. Where does it say in the article that flushing out all nutrients is beneficial to the plant in any way? Specifically taste and flavor because that is what the supporters of flushing say it's for.

Haha, I set you guys up.
So now go ahead and do your own research and find out which nutrient is most susceptible to being flushed out....

HINT ** NITROGEN***

So yeah, flip it however you want to and keep reverting back to your "show me scientific proof even though we have none ourselves"


Also interesting that some one up above is trying to act like HEMP and Cannabis are entirely different....

HAHAHAHA...

Anyway, do what you want. If you are growing leaves, you guys are probably the best leaf growers in America.

althor said:

Haha, I set you guys up.
So now go ahead and do your own research and find out which nutrient is most susceptible to being flushed out....

HINT ** NITROGEN***

So yeah, flip it however you want to and keep reverting back to your "show me scientific proof even though we have none ourselves"


Also interesting that some one up above is trying to act like HEMP and Cannabis are entirely different....

HAHAHAHA...

Anyway, do what you want. If you are growing leaves, you guys are probably the best leaf growers in America.

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It's ok to be wrong.

You would certainly know about being wrong....

Yet you have nothing to back that up with, nothing to contradict the "scientific proof" that has been provided.

Anyway, go do some homework and try to come back with facts and not opinions.

I have only shown facts, you have only shown opinions...


Many studies about this, I only quoted ONE... Higher nitrogen levels at the end of flower results in LOWER THC...

Love the people who swear by 20/20/20 fert all the way to the end. Works fine if you are growing flowers. If you are growing MJ with THC content, well 20/20/20 doesnt apply. Have fun. I am done with this conversation since no one can provide a single fact to contradict what I have provided.

althor said:

You would certainly know about being wrong....

Yet you have nothing to back that up with, nothing to contradict the "scientific proof" that has been provided.

Anyway, go do some homework and try to come back with facts and not opinions.

I have only shown facts, you have only shown opinions...


Many studies about this, I only quoted ONE... Higher nitrogen levels at the end of flower results in LOWER THC...

Love the people who swear by 20/20/20 fert all the way to the end. Works fine if you are growing flowers. If you are growing MJ with THC content, well 20/20/20 doesnt apply. Have fun. I am done with this conversation since no one can provide a single fact to contradict what I have provided.

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I'm sorry, where are these facts you posted? Yes, high N in late flower reduces THC that's pretty obvious and well known. Thanks for stating what we already know, run low N fert in flowering. Now, go find an article where it says flushing ALL nutrients will benifit flavor and taste. Oh right, you can't.

Thanks CARTMAN, Take your ball and go home, you have only proved, well Nothing relative to flushing.in the study below, It says N is one of the few nutes that can be, Hang on here,LEECHED, not FLUSHED. Leeched from the Soil, NOT the plant. Even still, Your point proves nothing about "flushing"


http://www.ext.colostate.edu/mg/gardennotes/231.html

I love how you guys keep throwing up taste.
I have not mentioned taste one single time, but ok, switch it to something else.

Flush the nutrients out of your soil and nitrogen and phosphorus will still be in the plant tissue.
Nitrogen is needed to activate the phosphorus.

The more you have in your soil at the end of flower, the lower your THC level will be. Flush or not, up to you.


This debate could go on all day. Fact is: Higher the levels of nitrogen in the soil at end of flowering the lower the THC.

Use that fact to your advantage or don't, your choice.

why did you post this subject again ? people fight about flushing. some people smoke black ass toxic harsh on lungs non flushed weed and say its fine and dandy even though it taste like total shit clogs up there bongs. and non flushed wont pass a test at iron labs to be safe for medical use . and some people flush and get a grey ash clean taste. non choke smoke. will pass any test and safe for medical use. and it wont clog a bond. ( now there is no evidence that un flushed weed will cause any problems. and there is no scientific evidence smoking weed will cause cancer. but smoking tobacco will kill us ) there has not been any studies long term effects of cannabis. so people say its totally fine safe to smoke. go talk to any er hospital ask them about all the heart attack calls they have from people smoking cannabis . more common then what we think . point is. there was no study done about un, flushed weed. but if you use your brain a little it will tell you if your using chemical fertilizers in cannabis and its not flushed the buds will have the fertilizer in them because they do suck up water . the buds (have to dry ) before you smoke them so we know they sucked up water and what ever is in it. but how much fertilizer is actually in it is another question, who knows. but who wants to smoke any fertilizer at all ? because we did not want to take a few steps to use clean water at least 5 days before harvest. so my point is smoke up smoke a lot if you smoke chemicals and are to stupid to use any good common sense , I don't care if you get sick or hurt your kidneys from any trace chemicals . just ask you to think about it before you talk. no there s no proof because we never did any tests on it . but one day there will be proof unflushed chemical fertilizer is very bad for your health ,. just like smoking tobacco was not bad for you in the old days. we did not know. (all of the info I posted is for chemical fertilizers ) not those high class organic . those do not have to be flushed if they don't have any harmful elements they are the best choice for people doing a small grow and not been doing it for a long time . looking for a healthy smoke with no worries . not to many commercial grows will use organic its just to costly . that's when your smoking some body else product hopefully they too the steps to keep it clean an safe for you . my opinion only if you don't agree with me that's fine if you do then that's fine too . I open my eyes and try to use my brain once in a wile. when im not stoned lol .

kinddiesel said:

why did you post this subject again ? people fight about flushing. some people smoke black ass toxic harsh on lungs non flushed weed and say its fine and dandy even though it taste like total shit clogs up there bongs. and non flushed wont pass a test at iron labs to be safe for medical use . and some people flush and get a grey ash clean taste. non choke smoke. will pass any test and safe for medical use. and it wont clog a bond. ( now there is no evidence that un flushed weed will cause any problems. and there is no scientific evidence smoking weed will cause cancer. but smoking tobacco will kill us ) there has not been any studies long term effects of cannabis. so people say its totally fine safe to smoke. go talk to any er hospital ask them about all the heart attack calls they have from people smoking cannabis . more common then what we think . point is. there was no study done about un, flushed weed. but if you use your brain a little it will tell you if your using chemical fertilizers in cannabis and its not flushed the buds will have the fertilizer in them because they do suck up water . the buds (have to dry ) before you smoke them so we know they sucked up water and what ever is in it. but how much fertilizer is actually in it is another question, who knows. but who wants to smoke any fertilizer at all ? because we did not want to take a few steps to use clean water at least 5 days before harvest. so my point is smoke up smoke a lot if you smoke chemicals and are to stupid to use any good common sense , I don't care if you get sick or hurt your kidneys from any trace chemicals . just ask you to think about it before you talk. no there s no proof because we never did any tests on it . but one day there will be proof unflushed chemical fertilizer is very bad for your health ,. just like smoking tobacco was not bad for you in the old days. we did not know. (all of the info I posted is for chemical fertilizers ) not those high class organic . those do not have to be flushed if they don't have any harmful elements they are the best choice for people doing a small grow and not been doing it for a long time . looking for a healthy smoke with no worries . not to many commercial grows will use organic its just to costly . that's when your smoking some body else product hopefully they too the steps to keep it clean an safe for you . my opinion only if you don't agree with me that's fine if you do then that's fine too . I open my eyes and try to use my brain once in a wile. when im not stoned lol .

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I'm going to be honest, the part in bold made me laugh. You're worried about chemicals that MAY(no proof) be left in the weed after it's dried and cured. I sure hope to God you don't eat out, drink alcoholic beverages or soft drinks. You must grow your own vegetables too instead of buying food from a market because trust me they are LOADED with chemicals FAR more dangerous(proven fact) and grown with pesticides(proven to have ill effects on your health). Ever hear of a company called Monsanto? Yea, you should be more worried about the shit you shove in your mouth than what you put in your bowl. This "flushing" debate is laughable at best. You care so much about your health when it comes to smoking weed and can't bare the thought of smoking "chemicals" but when it comes to ingesting things that WILL kill you like snacks, fast food, sodas, alcohol it's really not that big of a deal.

althor said:

Many studies about this, I only quoted ONE... Higher nitrogen levels at the end of flower results in LOWER THC...

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Cannabinoid content of the leaves is known to decrease gradually from the top to the bottom of the plant

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Buds do not store nutrients, they are sinks.
Leaves are a different story.

What that says to me is feed your plant properly.

Althor, there are crows smarter than you.

Hey Trousers! I have seen some of your posts man, you know your shit, glad you chimed in.

kinddiesel said:

why did you post this subject again ? people fight about flushing. some people smoke black ass toxic harsh on lungs non flushed weed and say its fine and dandy even though it taste like total shit clogs up there bongs.

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My weed is organic. It burns to a white ash and doesn't clog up my bong. It tastes great and smells great too. You are confusing poorly cured weed with your flushing myth.
If you are so worried about these toxic chemicals why do you use them at all?
You should be growing/eating organic if you think those synthetic nutes you use are so terrible.

kinddiesel said:

and non flushed wont pass a test at iron labs to be safe for medical use .

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Link?

kinddiesel said:

and some people flush and get a grey ash clean taste. non choke smoke. will pass any test and safe for medical use. and it wont clog a bond.

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What test? Where?

kinddiesel said:

( now there is no evidence that un flushed weed will cause any problems. and there is no scientific evidence smoking weed will cause cancer. but smoking tobacco will kill us )there has not been any studies long term effects of cannabis.

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Yes there have.

kinddiesel said:

so people say its totally fine safe to smoke. go talk to any er hospital ask them about all the heart attack calls they have from people smoking cannabis .more common then what we think .

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Link?

That sounds like a lie.

kinddiesel said:

point is. there was no study done about un, flushed weed.

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There is no evidence to back up the idea that flushed weed removes toxins.

kinddiesel said:

but if you use your brain a little it will tell you if your using chemical fertilizers in cannabis and its not flushed the buds will have the fertilizer in them because they do suck up water .

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It has been explained to you numerous times, yet you still do not understand it. That is not how it works.
I do not know how to explain it to you using smaller words.

kinddiesel said:

the buds (have to dry ) before you smoke them so we know they sucked up water and what ever is in it. but how much fertilizer is actually in it is another question, who knows.

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You have not offered anything to back up your opinion.

kinddiesel said:

but who wants to smoke any fertilizer at all ? because we did not want to take a few steps to use clean water at least 5 days before harvest.

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You want me to flush my (organic) soil to get rid of chemicals?
Your argument is lacking solid evidence and relies on a story in your head.

kinddiesel said:

so my point is smoke up smoke a lot if you smoke chemicals and are to stupid to use any good common sense , I don't care if you get sick or hurt your kidneys from any trace chemicals .

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You should be careful who you call stupid.

kinddiesel said:

just ask you to think about it before you talk. no there s no proof because we never did any tests on it . but one day there will be proof unflushed chemical fertilizer is very bad for your health ,.

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No there will not.

You are a liar.

kinddiesel said:

just like smoking tobacco was not bad for you in the old days. we did not know.

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That is a very weak analogy and does nothing to back up your lies about flushing.

kinddiesel said:

(all of the info I posted is for chemical fertilizers ) not those high class organic . those do not have to be flushed if they don't have any harmful elements they are the best choice for people doing a small grow and not been doing it for a long time . looking for a healthy smoke with no worries .

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So organic does not need to be flushed and is harmless and synthetic fertilizers are dangerous, toxic and cancerous?
You obviously do not understand how plants take in food and should not offer advice to anyone about anything.

kinddiesel said:

not to many commercial grows will use organic its just to costly .

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Nope. Many dispensaries in Colorado are all organic. It is not too costly.
I know of a dispensary that grows in 100% coco and feeds an organic tea daily.

The owner of Pure said organic soil is cheaper if you know how to do it and is a great advertising tool.
He amends, cooks and reuses soil.

kinddiesel said:

that's when your smoking some body else product hopefully they too the steps to keep it clean an safe for you . my opinion only if you don't agree with me that's fine if you do then that's fine too . I open my eyes and try to use my brain once in a wile. when im not stoned lol .

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It is a terrible opinion. You should smoke more weed.
You are ignoring the science behind how plants use nutrients.