FlushingVsNotFlushing & Chlorophyll Breakdown (Help a fellow Newbie/wanabie Gromie)

The Florist

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The questions asked are aimed at a Soil garden with bottled Nutes and hypothetically aimed at a picturesque/ideal garden but may apply to others (help a newbie out please). I've read so much on this debate/process (scientific and broscience), asked people. And seen well renowned people such as Mr. Grow it and Mr. Canuck (among others known and unknown) although both mentioned are using organic pre amended soil/coco, they only water (maybe with molasses/honey) for the last two weeks and say they get a beautiful fade through their girls consistently by doing that (excluding any def's). Although Mr. grow it, had released a video showing a study which does mention a few benefits/debunk a few wives tails. Others such as Mr. Canuck and even Mr. grow it, honestly, support the "smoother smoke". A few others mention the breakdown/depletion of remaining/excess nutrients within the plant specifically i.e. sulfur, phosphorous, nitrogen which may affect taste, onsets quicker/ can occur from flushing prior to harvest.... my questions based on all this are:

- Once a plant is almost "ready" or just ready for pluck/chop, if it had nutrient burn slight or severe or even despite this, would the plant really only have what nutes are needed to dry/cure/be smoked and no more, and would any of them affect the taste/process of dark period/chop/drying/curing for desired outcome you want (specifically smoke)?

- Is Chlorophyll the only internal contributing factor/compound towards taste within the plant/buds in the final few weeks of a pheno/plants life before the dark period/chop/dry/cure? ***(excluding all uncontrollable variables such as genetics and external factors such as moisture/rh/temp/airflow/overall conditions and environment that's all i can think of...)***

- Does having less/no nutrients in the soil (besides make the plant use what's inside of it) help break down Chlorophyll and or any other taste affecting internal non variable factor faster (minus n deficiency if that makes sense)?

Hopefully that any of this makes sense... i have a ton more questions but honestly i am still researching hours of botanical studies/experiences/vlogs etc. everyday

I'm sorry in advance if any frustration is caused - I'm trying to exclude the variables in my questions and get down to the bottom of flushing, and although obviously comparing two clones of the exact same plant/pheno and doing a side by side of flush and no flush in the exact same conditions that go through the same process (except on being flushed) would probably be the only way to find if it makes a real or personal difference (besides placebo lol)... I've 0 grows under the belt so this is not possible especially in illegaland :( .This is in the name of science . . .

I personally find NV's videos interesting as refference for what im talking about such as this one:
At 38 mins he explains why he does it and what benefits he thinks it has.
 
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garybo

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The Florist said:
The questions asked are aimed at a Soil garden with bottled Nutes and hypothetically aimed at a picturesque/ideal garden but may apply to others (help a newbie out please). I've read so much on this debate/process (scientific and broscience), asked people. And seen well renowned people such as Mr. Grow it and Mr. Canuck (among others known and unknown) although both mentioned are using organic pre amended soil/coco, they only water (maybe with molasses/honey) for the last two weeks and say they get a beautiful fade through their girls consistently by doing that (excluding any def's). Although Mr. grow it, had released a video showing a study which does mention a few benefits/debunk a few wives tails. Others such as Mr. Canuck and even Mr. grow it, honestly, support the "smoother smoke". A few others mention the breakdown/depletion of remaining/excess nutrients within the plant specifically i.e. sulfur, phosphorous, nitrogen which may affect taste, onsets quicker/ can occur from flushing prior to harvest.... my questions based on all this are:

- Once a plant is almost "ready" or just ready for pluck/chop, if it had nutrient burn slight or severe or even despite this, would the plant really only have what nutes are needed to dry/cure/be smoked and no more, and would any of them affect the taste/process of dark period/chop/drying/curing for desired outcome you want (specifically smoke)?

- Is Chlorophyll the only internal contributing factor/compound towards taste within the plant/buds in the final few weeks of a pheno/plants life before the dark period/chop/dry/cure? ***(excluding all uncontrollable variables such as genetics and external factors such as moisture/rh/temp/airflow/overall conditions and environment that's all i can think of...)***

- Does having less/no nutrients in the soil (besides make the plant use what's inside of it) help break down Chlorophyll and or any other taste affecting internal non variable factor faster (minus n deficiency if that makes sense)?

Hopefully that any of this makes sense... i have a ton more questions but honestly i am still researching hours of botanical studies/experiences/vlogs etc. everyday

I'm sorry in advance if any frustration is caused - I'm trying to exclude the variables in my questions and get down to the bottom of flushing, and although obviously comparing two clones of the exact same plant/pheno and doing a side by side of flush and no flush in the exact same conditions that go through the same process (except on being flushed) would probably be the only way to find if it makes a real or personal difference (besides placebo lol)... I've 0 grows under the belt so this is not possible especially in illegaland :( .This is in the name of science . . .
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Wow, a lot of questions and good one's at that. I'm not even going to answer them all, though my experience is to experiment, which is a fun part of growing pot. Assuming you have multiple plants, try flushing for one of them for one week, there are several ways to do this, and then cut the plant. With an identical plant (same strain) flush an additional week. Be sure to mark which plant is which, then a month or so later experiment and see which you like the best.
My personal choice is to flush for 3 days with something sweet, like Molasses or Sweet Candy added to the water , then let the plant dry out for 4 days. Then the following week repeat the process, flush for 3 days and dry out for 4 days, then chop.
 
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Btw, youtube growers arent knowitalls, they get some things right and some things wrong like everyone. I love CaliGreen's channel for exemple, I think he gives good bases for organic grow, but he also does things like flushing and he harvest too early sometimes by the standards of some people here who are good growers. So, they have some good and some bad stuff. Certainly having 100000 followers doesn't mean they know what they are doing.
 
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The Florist said:
The questions asked are aimed at a Soil garden with bottled Nutes and hypothetically aimed at a picturesque/ideal garden but may apply to others (help a newbie out please). I've read so much on this debate/process (scientific and broscience), asked people. And seen well renowned people such as Mr. Grow it and Mr. Canuck (among others known and unknown) although both mentioned are using organic pre amended soil/coco, they only water (maybe with molasses/honey) for the last two weeks and say they get a beautiful fade through their girls consistently by doing that (excluding any def's). Although Mr. grow it, had released a video showing a study which does mention a few benefits/debunk a few wives tails. Others such as Mr. Canuck and even Mr. grow it, honestly, support the "smoother smoke". A few others mention the breakdown/depletion of remaining/excess nutrients within the plant specifically i.e. sulfur, phosphorous, nitrogen which may affect taste, onsets quicker/ can occur from flushing prior to harvest.... my questions based on all this are:

- Once a plant is almost "ready" or just ready for pluck/chop, if it had nutrient burn slight or severe or even despite this, would the plant really only have what nutes are needed to dry/cure/be smoked and no more, and would any of them affect the taste/process of dark period/chop/drying/curing for desired outcome you want (specifically smoke)?

- Is Chlorophyll the only internal contributing factor/compound towards taste within the plant/buds in the final few weeks of a pheno/plants life before the dark period/chop/dry/cure? ***(excluding all uncontrollable variables such as genetics and external factors such as moisture/rh/temp/airflow/overall conditions and environment that's all i can think of...)***

- Does having less/no nutrients in the soil (besides make the plant use what's inside of it) help break down Chlorophyll and or any other taste affecting internal non variable factor faster (minus n deficiency if that makes sense)?

Hopefully that any of this makes sense... i have a ton more questions but honestly i am still researching hours of botanical studies/experiences/vlogs etc. everyday

I'm sorry in advance if any frustration is caused - I'm trying to exclude the variables in my questions and get down to the bottom of flushing, and although obviously comparing two clones of the exact same plant/pheno and doing a side by side of flush and no flush in the exact same conditions that go through the same process (except on being flushed) would probably be the only way to find if it makes a real or personal difference (besides placebo lol)... I've 0 grows under the belt so this is not possible especially in illegaland :( .This is in the name of science . . .

I personally find NV's videos interesting as refference for what im talking about such as this one:
At 38 mins he explains why he does it and what benefits he thinks it has.
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The Florist said:
Question in regards to flushing for those above (help a newbie out please). I've seen people such as Mr Grow it and Mr canuck (among ...................duplicate bullshit removed..................
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Your last thread was coalesced from the thread I replied to you with. You were given answers on how flushing is a myth and I provided 2 studies yet here you are with another thread. It appears you may have an ulterior motive. Because those two studies should have answered your 'question'.
 
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Because the guy posts videos of crispy fried plants like this screenshot taken from one of his videos. He might have followers on youtube but he's definitely not renowned by any veteran grower that can actually grow decent weed.

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never saw that one (probably for a reason) lol
 
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curious2garden said:
Your last thread was coalesced from the thread I replied to you with. You were given answers on how flushing is a myth and I provided 2 studies yet here you are with another thread. It appears you may have an ulterior motive. Because those two studies should have answered your 'question'.
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Yea i read your thread and was gunna attach it to here but had to run out to the shops. Not undermining it by any means sorry if you felt that way - just comparing it with anything else someone might have to say. By ulterior motive you perhaps mean hopes that flushing is beneficial in regards to getting rid of any excess nutes/minerals in the soil as well as improving the plants health rather than conflicting it which is more like another question really. I tried keeping it simple but everythings connected and im stoned asf
 
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The Florist said:
Yea i read your thread and was gunna attach it to here but had to run out to the shops. Not undermining it by any means sorry if you felt that way - just comparing it with anything else someone might have to say. By ulterior motive you perhaps mean hopes that flushing is beneficial in regards to getting rid of any excess nutes/minerals in the soil as well as improving the plants health rather than conflicting it which is more like another question really. I tried keeping it simple but everythings connected and im stoned asf
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All of the pro flushing society believe they get smoother smoke from “flushing” the excess nutrients out of the plant!

those that don’t flush know that smooth smoke comes from a good slow dry and decent cure.

a wise person once said you can’t remove nutrients from a plant by flushing copious amounts of water through its roots.

that’s a fact!

If you want to read what happens when plants are subjected to flushing of the roots then look towards tomato plants and what happens to them during a “flushing”

They end up getting fruit split!

RX green technologies have a study which is most likely one of the Studies @curious2garden linked.

what she, @curious2garden is referring to with an ulterior motive is that you’ve most likely not found any people that can provide you with anything scientific about why to flush and maybe just maybe want to invoke an argument which maybe didn’t happen in the last thread you made on the subject.

Now.

one thing I can tell you is that towards the end of the cannabis plants life it uses less nutrients to sustain its growth during the ripening stage of your buds.

personally I see a drop off of nutrient requirements from my plants once their main growth is done and in waiting for ripening to get to where I want it to be.

When I used to be hydro this would manifest itself in high EC returning back to the reservoir after flooding.

so towards the end of the plants cycle (around week 6 of actual flowering) I begin seeing EC going to the plants at approx 1.0-1.2EC pH5.8 and returning back at 1.4-1.6EC pH5.3.

this means the roots are using more water than nutrients to sustain their growth during that phase.

So I would adjust accordingly and reduce EC down to around 0.8EC and pH5.8.

this would then return back at approx the same level meaning that nutes and water are uptaken at the same rate.

With hydro you can track how the plant utilises the nutrient water based on how it returns back to the reservoir.

by doing this you’ll see that there is never a time where water only is ok as this process ends with nutes and water uptaken towards the end evenly at about 0.6-0.8EC plant size dependant.

Plant size dependant means my 2ft tall hydro plants aren’t using as much of the nutrient solution as my mates 5ft tall hydro plants.

Sorry to have rambled on but thought it pertinent.

If you have any questions on the above let me know but I’m no scientist!
 
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