For all new growers with questions... Tons of information and answers..

the worst thimg that would happen are the photos get stunted more... i would cut them back to minimal nutes to limit growth.. andjust supercrop them as you can.. they may start to yellow or show signs of other defs.. although its not normally something i would say ok to this is one example where itd be opk.. only because you know growth is slowing/stopping at that point.. but you may not have that issue... but its either bite the bullet and harvest the autos slightly early... or let the photos go and hope they stsy in their area.. they will be fine if you choose that option... either way really will be fine...

simpsonsampson420 said:

the worst thimg that would happen are the photos get stunted more... i would cut them back to minimal nutes to limit growth.. andjust supercrop them as you can.. they may start to yellow or show signs of other defs.. although its not normally something i would say ok to this is one example where itd be opk.. only because you know growth is slowing/stopping at that point.. but you may not have that issue... but its either bite the bullet and harvest the autos slightly early... or let the photos go and hope they stsy in their area.. they will be fine if you choose that option... either way really will be fine...

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For real, thanks for the advice above.

I will reduce nutes to say 50%, or 3/4?

Anyway, I did figure out a way to jury rig my flourescent so that it is not using hangers. Bottom line, I now have another 4" to work with. Hopefully that will be enough to get me thru til next weekend.

Either way I be good. (Shoulda just waited), but I am confident everything is coming together as it should.


That waterfarm is realyl performing nice. Those gals are making me raise the light bout every 2-3 days (I have been keeping flo chandelier almost touching leaves of the x4 gals in watergarden).

Pumped dude, be in touch soon!

hey man, totally forgot to ask, but when should I start lookin to verify that these "femd" seeds are indeed true blue?

Now that I have that magnifier, I'm gonna be lookin CLOSE.

I just wanna know if I should be checking before I send em to bloom, or no?

thanks my man

thank's man 4 you'r growing knowlage much love from me..i'm new frist grow..... and man i can't say how much this has help me .i got real plant problems not sure if it nuts burn or what but with ur info it's going to help 4sure

ok i read your thread on super cropping, at this point i think im just gonna experiment with it, i can take a decent amount of clones right now, ill just make a new mother out of a clone if it goes wrong, if my main stem is an inch in diameter, can i slice it just a little so that it bends eaiser?

paco.carioca said:

ok i read your thread on super cropping, at this point i think im just gonna experiment with it, i can take a decent amount of clones right now, ill just make a new mother out of a clone if it goes wrong, if my main stem is an inch in diameter, can i slice it just a little so that it bends eaiser?

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thats fine to experiment... a little expeimenting can go a long way!! if your stems r that thick you should try to super crop it... super cropping is mainly to be done on new(er) growth...

Smuggler said:

Ditto! Thanks for your time & REPS!!!!!! This should be a sticky!! S

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thanks again bro!

hey sammy how do i go about germing seeds. can i just put them under a wet pillow tell they sprout. what do you do after they get roots, hahahahahaha waz up my brother. hope all is well at the home front..

So you made a good call, I finally found a website that gave a recommended dosage and it was a tablespoon. I gave all the plants a teaspoon with their water and pH adjusted it (took probably about a teaspoon of pH down). I checked their soil pH about 20 minutes after watering them and the changes were very minor. Instructions recommend checking a day later, I just did and they all read 6.5? Now all this time I have been checking soil pH while the soil was pretty wet and never bothered checking more than a half an hour after watering. I forgot to check the pH of the runoff. Q: Is it proper to check soil pH soon after watering?

mygirls said:

hey sammy how do i go about germing seeds. can i just put them under a wet pillow tell they sprout. what do you do after they get roots, hahahahahaha waz up my brother. hope all is well at the home front..

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lol things r good bro... thanks for askin.. just been sorta out of things with my hand all fucked up.. trying to heal enough for hasrvest

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So you made a good call, I finally found a website that gave a recommended dosage and it was a tablespoon. I gave all the plants a teaspoon with their water and pH adjusted it (took probably about a teaspoon of pH down). I checked their soil pH about 20 minutes after watering them and the changes were very minor. Instructions recommend checking a day later, I just did and they all read 6.5? Now all this time I have been checking soil pH while the soil was pretty wet and never bothered checking more than a half an hour after watering. I forgot to check the pH of the runoff. Q: Is it proper to check soil pH soon after watering?

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its best to check ph's a while after you water.. at least 6 hours or so.. but the good news is it sounds like your ph is perfect now

i have checked my ph right after mixing up my nutes,and checked it 24 hrs after mixing. ph is always the same. and thats with city tap water.

So this morning at 7 I got up to make sure the light and such turned on, then went back to sleep. I got out of bed 45 minutes later to get ready for work and realized I forgot to plug in the air filter and clip on fans! The humidity was in the 80s (normally 30s) and the tent windows were getting a little foggy. Do you think that 45 minutes of high humidity could give me any problems?

*I will water them with plain water and check the pH of the soil several times throughout the day tomorrow and see how much the readings vary.

yo goose, some of the autos appear to be changin over to the milky white lookin trichs, which I assume to be a good sign of natural aging & ripening.

For the photo girls in cubes. Believe I am cool with the space deal, at least cool for another week (we just gonna make them little girls work), guess its better than them being to small I suppose.

Anyway, I'm assumin chop day will either be next weekend, or the weekend after!

During the next week, should I start workin in some bloom nutes (1/4 strength, 3/4 grow, and then continue ween) for the cubes while still in drip tray? They still will only be under the flo. obviously till autos finish. JUts be cool to have them ready for full bloom nutes when they get into tent & under HID.

Also, you had mentioned it prob. be a good idea once the photo cubes replace autos in tent, to get them acclimated to HID, I should NOT switch to 12/12 immediately.

So here's my real question.

Since photo cubes have been on 24/0 lighting their entire life. I assume I should continue 24/0 under HID for those few days of acclimation. I was thinkin bout a week under HID before switchin to 12/12.

Here's the deal, not real keen on running x2 HID's (I know its small potatoes to you, but 1K watts is a little daunting for me in that small space). Anyway, I don't wanna (I will if you think it best), but don't wanna run both HID's 24/0 for an entire week.

Also. FYI, in case this helps in ur diagnosis.
We've decided w/ my particular "situation" to make the 12/12 period nocturnal (gonna run lights from 8pm to 8am). Spare ya the details, just sufficed to say it will make whole deal run ALOT smoother. Any advice you have for night time grows? Also, what does goose do, do you have a favorite 12/12 time period. How do you make the decision of what time to make ur 12/12 cycle?

The bottom line is that to properly exhaust both HID's, i'm gonna need to take the fan up to almost top speed.

My situation is not condusive to havin that fan runnin 24/7 for that week while they acclimate.

SO, is movin them to 18/6 for that week , then swtchin to 12/12 a week later gonna be too much stress? I want real deal sin-semilla on this go round, so I;ll be up in those bitches w/ my jewelers loupe every day after first week in bloom checkin for dudes, & chicks w/ dics. Just wanna make sure that proposed light schedule will not cause stress on them.

I suppose it's not a huge deal if I do need bite the bullet & keep HID's on 24/0 for their acclimation week.

Just wanna get the pros & cons from you.

Just sorry it took all those words to explain what I mean.

BTW, that super cropping seems to be workin well. I mean all plants are still alive, and are still nice & lush lookin.

Thanks bro

Oh yeah, one more thing tonight.

Ph is goin down pretty much every day for the past few week & continued after new batch o' nutes & res. cleanin last night.

Is it cool to hit it w/ PH up evday?

It gets to round 5.5 & hangs out there. Better to leave alone & not adjust too much I assume???

lemme know & thanks bro

hey homey, here are the autos. THink I'm round day 64 or something. I know my photo abilities blow, but whatcha think?

The biggest ol girl (ak) is actually the one tied down dead in the middle of the canopy. Kinda tough to make her all out, Buts shes gotta be @ least 4" in diameter & @ least 12-14" long.

Want that amber though my man. Max potency is dif what I'm after.

thanks chief!

So I just got done watering and I realize I really should have added nutes this day. Soil pH prove reads 5.5 for each like it normally does about now, and their ppm runoffs were all about 190 (with pH of 6.25 for each). I can tell the biggest one has leaves that are starting to fade again. So I am wondering what is the soonest I can possibly water them again before the benefits outweigh whatever damage watering them too soon again can do (should I re-water with nutes asap or in a day or 2? (normally I water every 3 days). Last time I fed (6 days ago) I gave them 1tsp grow big (n rich veg nute), 1 tsp Tiger bloom (flowering nute), and 1.5 teaspoons Big Bloom (worm and bat crap mostly). That is at half the recommended dosage which I think I either need to start following or I at least need to feed them as much as I have every other watering period. The fox farm feeding schedule recommends feeding them the veg nute only during 3rd and 4th weeks of flowering, would you recommend giving them that further into flowering? *they don't seem like they have gotten any taller in the last couple weeks, but they still have had problems with yellow/fade during that time (i must no tbe giving them enough nutes, or at least n rich veg*?)

hey man, i'm sure that this is dumb as hell, but jus wanna be sure cause evthing I always read bout hydro systems were that res. should always be between 5.5 - 6.5.

For the flush, that obviously is an exception, cause I usin straight distilled (btw, holy balls i need one of those RO systems, feel like a fukn serf draggin all these jugs in all the time).

Anyway, I do not need to lower Ph to the 5.5-6.5 range during flush, correct?

Also, u mentioned staggering chop out over a week, I assume that is to let the lower popcorn guys get as good as they can be. But does the same hold true for those? Runnin in straight distilled w/ no nutes will help them finish mo betta?

Had to ask me brova.

And the flush for only 2 days thing u are solid on? Evthing i read & watch says @ least a week. But if you prescribe, it shall be.

thanks for evthing homey, obviously gettn a little stoke on this end.

You know i'm gonna need some goose this thru chop & gettin photo girls in system. Lawdy hopefully from there I can start leavin ya alone more.

thanks bro!

jdizzle22 said:

So I just got done watering and I realize I really should have added nutes this day. Soil pH prove reads 5.5 for each like it normally does about now, and their ppm runoffs were all about 190 (with pH of 6.25 for each). I can tell the biggest one has leaves that are starting to fade again. So I am wondering what is the soonest I can possibly water them again before the benefits outweigh whatever damage watering them too soon again can do (should I re-water with nutes asap or in a day or 2? (normally I water every 3 days). Last time I fed (6 days ago) I gave them 1tsp grow big (n rich veg nute), 1 tsp Tiger bloom (flowering nute), and 1.5 teaspoons Big Bloom (worm and bat crap mostly). That is at half the recommended dosage which I think I either need to start following or I at least need to feed them as much as I have every other watering period. The fox farm feeding schedule recommends feeding them the veg nute only during 3rd and 4th weeks of flowering, would you recommend giving them that further into flowering? *they don't seem like they have gotten any taller in the last couple weeks, but they still have had problems with yellow/fade during that time (i must no tbe giving them enough nutes, or at least n rich veg*?)

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you are sorta stuck waiting until they need watered again to feed them.. better to wait then over water.. but you are good to feed next grow..

as far as continuing veg feed throughout flower it isnt needed.. after about the 4th week or so N usage drops way down.. there will be plenty in the soil by then to finish out the grow..

you can probably even increase the strength of feeding some... and give them a little extra veg nutes... like full strength of everything... but only give them 2 tsp of veg.. hitting them with some extra N is ok.. but dont need to much.. should clear it up... and also remember you wont get back all the dark green color.. it will green up for sure.. but never like it was in veg growth...

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hey man, i'm sure that this is dumb as hell, but jus wanna be sure cause evthing I always read bout hydro systems were that res. should always be between 5.5 - 6.5.

For the flush, that obviously is an exception, cause I usin straight distilled (btw, holy balls i need one of those RO systems, feel like a fukn serf draggin all these jugs in all the time).

Anyway, I do not need to lower Ph to the 5.5-6.5 range during flush, correct?

Also, u mentioned staggering chop out over a week, I assume that is to let the lower popcorn guys get as good as they can be. But does the same hold true for those? Runnin in straight distilled w/ no nutes will help them finish mo betta?

Had to ask me brova.

And the flush for only 2 days thing u are solid on? Evthing i read & watch says @ least a week. But if you prescribe, it shall be.

thanks for evthing homey, obviously gettn a little stoke on this end.

You know i'm gonna need some goose this thru chop & gettin photo girls in system. Lawdy hopefully from there I can start leavin ya alone more.

thanks bro!

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alright.... you dont have to ph your water for flush... but it is ideal if you do.. just so any nutes that are left still have the right ph to get used..

the stagger harvest thing was more meant for the window you would have to harvest.. its actually a bit longer than that.. but i was saying you have a good week to choose when you want to chop.. you can do the tops, lower the lights, and do the bottoms later if you want...

now like i have mentioned i keep evolving how i flush... right now i am harvesting plants with NO flush at all.. in fact they are eating full strength still... i have, over my growing career, flushed shorter and shorter each grow and have not noticed any difference.. from what i can tell (or at least im hoping to prove to myself) is that a flush isnt needed at all.... BUT.. my last grow i only flushed 36 hours with plain water before i started to chop... and things were perfect... so you have to choose how long.. but thats at least where im at with flushing...

of course any thing dring harvest you have ?S on just ask... and even beyond this grow... i can be a mentor to anyone for as long as they want/need!!

Smuggler said:

Hey SS420, thanks again for your time with this thread, I've learned so much from it! Can I get your advice for a first time indoor grow?

For maximum yield using SC & the other methods you have described so well in this thread, ease of setup and maintaining, would you suggest a DWC unit or a ebb & flow?

I'm meticulous and pay attention so I don't think I'll be overwhelmed with either setup. The DWC looks easier to me but I would really appreciate your opinion on which yields best. Thanks, S

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ok.. to make the answer simple DWC yields more... slightly more...

BUT......

with ebb and flow you have 1 central res... which means you only have to worry about keeping 1 res filled.. and they are usually much bigger than DWC...

since DWC pretty much runs individual buckets you end up having a lot more filling and moving and shit to do....

then res temps are another issue.. a large res will take more heat to warm it up than smaller ones.. if the room gets warm the temps in the DWC buckets can/will get warmer faster than a large res.. you can even stick the large res outside the room somewhere.. but water temps are very important since warmer water will stop root functions (over 80F) and holds much less dissolved oxygen...

personally i like my ebb and flow system... but its because it fits my needs a bit better than other setups would... take into consideration the distance from drains, how easily it will be to move water to where you need it, and the temps in the area... hell even consider the plant sizes you want... if you add that info in i can help a a little more with things.. you may not need it tho..

Hey man, sorry if ya already answered this from my previous question. but regarding the Ph.
I realize adding funky checmical (ph up & down) to reservoir on a daily basis is not what we want to do, but where is the threshold?

I just topped off with a gallon of distilled last night, to get it back around 5.6, just went & checked it, and it was down to 4.9.....

I went ahead & threw some PH up in there to get back to 5.5 but if I run into that on a daily basis, what do you suggest? I'm really not pushin the nutes terribly hard. Maybe an extra 25% of awesome blossom & the bloom formula (PPMs are around 2200, recipe says they should be at 1600).

Been runnin that way for the past few weeks & never had it drift that low.

IF that's cool, right on, just wanna know @ what point & how often you would add ph up.

Thanks!

I am starting some new strains in soil and was hoping you might have some ideas on what i should expect from these strains. I have grown ortega from a clone that was supposed to be fro nocal. It is a sol.id indics that i have mastered but its time to broaden my choices. I Have vegging currently Atrain th seeds, nebula paradise seeds, Querkle subcool, and cheesus Buddha seeds, Thanx for any input Sparty (sweet 16 baybe)