For believers in the paranormal

ClaytonBigsby said:

I'm with you on some of your scientific argument; but again, I have plenty of evidence, and so do many other people. I have ZERO desire to PROVE to you anything. What I will do is support your research and assist you in it, if you would like.

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That which can be affirmed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence -Christopher Hitchens

So if you don't want to give evidence we can consider any argument invalid.

ClaytonBigsby said:

So, let's say a UFO shows up over the Super Bowl. Let's say it's like the one in Independence day. CLEARLY nothing we made here. Video, witnesses, etc. Your science would argue it did not happen because it cannot be recreated in a lab environment, and accordingly, there has to be a scientific explanation disproving it was a UFO. I get it; doesn't mean it didn't happen.

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You are quite mistaken. No one ever said you need to recreate something in a lab for it to be valid, merely that other explanations are taken into account. I don't need to go out and buy a telescope and other equipment to determine if black holes exist or not because the work done by people that have found them have been published for me to examine their methods and materials and allows me to independently confirm their findings or alternatively critique their conclusions if they did not follow good procedures.

I'm not sure on ghosts and paranormal. Ive always thought of myself as more of an atheist, making it hard for me to believe in ghosts and what not, but I have always been on the fence with that topic. I have heard from A lot of people that they have had ghostly encounters, and Some of the stuff I see on television is pretty intense, I think some of it is probably for ratings. Ive heard my family say that they've seen dead relatives before and heard lots of similar stories from people. There is a lot of unexplained phenomenon that makes me want to believe in the afterlife. It seems like ghosts have the ability to change the air temperature, making it very cold according to television, and there always seems to be something with light orbs, things the camera will pick up, and show up as a ball of light in the picture.
I'm not sure how many people are familiar with the parallel universe theory, but basically it means there are other universes identical to ours in every way except with different outcomes. For example, if you had a near death experience and almost died, in a parallel universe you would have died. There is an infinite number of universes of the past, present and future. Maybe ghosts come from parallel universes. I have heard of some very convincing ghost stories, but I myself have not experienced any ghostly encounters in person but that does not mean that they do not exist.

stonerman said:

and there always seems to be something with light orbs, things the camera will pick up, and show up as a ball of light in the picture.

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Most 'reputable' 'Ghostbusters' will not accept any 'orb' as being an orb if it was taken using any type of digital photography. In other words, film or it doesn't count.

Someone explained it to me once, but I do not recall the reasons why, but there are a number of them, and they result in what have claimed to have been proven to be large numbers of fake orbs in anything digitally taken. Not as in intentionally faked. Just as a natural cause only and not a true "orb."

I took a picture of my fireplace with the lights down low once. On the edge of where it was going from being very bright to being dimmer the farther that you looked to the side of the fireplace there were two orbs side by side and each had a perfect shape of a black bat in them.

It sounds creepy, but I would bet that someone could prove that it was the result of the type of lighting, reflections, moving light and a digital camera.

Another time I was taking a couple pictures of a friend of mine and I snapped off three of her as fast as my camera can go, and I did it from the same position, or at least as same/still of one as I can hold, and the second picture had 26 orbs in it and there were none in the other two pictures, the one from before and the one from after.

That might be taken by some to 'something' saying SURPRISE, WE'RE HERE in the middle picture. But I'd bet some combination of light reflection change and possibly dust particles in the air and some slight movement by me and the total amount of time for the three pictures, which isn't all that much, but enough time for a few things to change in a tiny way, a way that if a digital picture is taken it has what look like orbs that are created by totally explainable reasons.

Now if in the orb in the center of all the rest you see flames and Lucifer looking out at you, grinning, even with a digital camera, you might have a slight problem on your hands. So, be sure to watch out for that one.

I believe...

bigbillyrocka said:

I believe...

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Between the ages of being a little kid that would fall for any spooky story until 1994 I was as big of a skeptic as you could find. Even for things that I knew there was no possible way for it to happen, like pets that were locked outside, all on their own manage to get in, and this has been with a number of different cats and dogs since it's gone on now for roughly 18-years now so it wasn't just one or two that had a secret bat cave under the house, and the first thing I want to think is, I'm missing something that easily explains it, so I know it's nothing. I know I'm fooling myself when I think that. It's like I want to remain a skeptic, but you eventually reach a point where you can only explain away the inexplicable but so long and you just sort of accept certain things a little bit at a time, even though you don't want to.

I have a second friend who got a scare here that he described in almost the exact same way as the other did. This one was actually the first and the other the second. I write them off as nightmares. If they were nightmares they must have started the instant the lights went out in the room, because that's when you'd hear some string of profanity that would make a drunk Marine blush, and each time my friend came running-ass out of the room, almost leaving a brown trail behind them.

It becomes a really easy call once you say there is a perfectly logical normal way to explain it. But when you know how it happened, the timing, the people involved and what they were like in comparison to what they normally would be like ..... the perfectly logical normal way to explain it just doesn't seem to cover all that much of it.

Once the reality of that sets in, one tends to wonder, now and then, what is outside the perfectly logical normal way to explain it, might actually be what explains it.