Found one banana, whole room is fucked?!

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Start date Jul 3, 2016

Dr. Who

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#41

purplehays1 said:
If it busts and the wind it right it can pollinate a large area, much larger than a grow room. One male flower can pollinate hundreds of females. My suggestion is to look out for the bananas and run a different strain next time.

There's the "key" word = "FLOWER"!
A "banana" is a single Stamen that has formed to emit a limited amount of pollen. This pollen is larger and heavier and is ment to work inclose on the plant to quickly reproduce it's self. It is NOT a fully formed male "FLOWER", that sends forth large smounts of smaller and lighter, more borne on the wind pollen.
There are a few strains that do make a bit more "hardy" naner that tends to spread out better.

It is perfectly fine to do your daily plant checks and simply tweezer that naner out and be fairly confident you got it before it became viable.

In my experience. It has been very rare for a single "naner" to actually pollinate anything but, the bud it was located on. That is why I back the belief that most of those single naners are not viable. Strain dependent, I don't even bother to remove them on a cpl of old strains I still have. One is an old Skunk x Romulan. Big plant, heavy solid yields of quality buds. She drops a cpl of naners on nearly everyother run. She has never produced a seed!

On the other hand. I had a strain that came from a well known source and sold by the "TUDE". Sounded (at the time as I don't recall the strain any more) to be an interesting cross....Fully half the beans popped did a heavy banana herming! Damn things had seeds all over them. They were in a 36x24 area, that was filled with plants, and had plenty of air flow. The ones that threw the "naners". Only succeded in pollinating themselves! Not even the otherplants of the same strain got "carry over" pollination from them.

Now when you say "One male flower can pollinate hundreds of females." You are quite correct!

Just trying to clairify, not argue!

Last edited: Oct 22, 2016

purplehays1

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#42

Dr. Who said:
There's the "key" word = "FLOWER"!
A "banana" is a single Stamen that has formed to emit a limited amount of pollen. This pollen is larger and heavier and is ment to work inclose on the plant to quickly reproduce it's self. It is NOT a fully formed male "FLOWER", that sends forth large smounts of smaller and lighter, more borne on the wind pollen.
There are a few strains that do make a bit more "hardy" naner that tends to spread out better.

It is perfectly fine to do your daily plant checks and simply tweezer that naner out and be fairly confident you got it before it became viable.

In my experience. It has been very rare for a single "naner" to actually pollinate anything but, the bud it was located on. That is why I back the belief that most of those single naners are not viable. Strain dependent, I don't even bother to remove them on a cpl of old strains I still have. One is an old Skunk x Romulan. Big plant, heavy solid yields of quality buds. She drops a cpl of naners on nearly everyother run. She has never produced a seed!

On the other hand. I had a strain that came from a well known source and sold by the "TUDE". Sounded (at the time as I don't recall the strain any more) to be an interesting cross....Fully half the beans popped did a heavy banana herming! Damn things had seeds all over them. They were in a 36x24 area, that was filled with plants, and had plenty of air flow. The ones that threw the "naners". Only succeded in pollinating themselves! Not even the otherplants of the same strain got "carry over" pollination from them.

Now when you say "One male flower can pollinate hundreds of females." You are quite correct!

Just trying to clairify, not argue!

i agree but high powered indoor fans will move pollen without issue, and even one stamen produces enough pollen to pollinate hundreds of plants. The saving grace is that you have a couple days to grab the bananas before they release, if you dont it will likely pollinate every plant in a room.

All a flower is are stamen and a covering. Bananas just dont have the bulb covering the stamen they certainly are male flowers.

Last edited: Oct 22, 2016

outlier

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#43

Dr. Who said:
There's the "key" word = "FLOWER"!
A "banana" is a single Stamen that has formed to emit a limited amount of pollen. This pollen is larger and heavier and is ment to work inclose on the plant to quickly reproduce it's self. It is NOT a fully formed male "FLOWER", that sends forth large smounts of smaller and lighter, more borne on the wind pollen.
There are a few strains that do make a bit more "hardy" naner that tends to spread out better.

It is perfectly fine to do your daily plant checks and simply tweezer that naner out and be fairly confident you got it before it became viable.

In my experience. It has been very rare for a single "naner" to actually pollinate anything but, the bud it was located on. That is why I back the belief that most of those single naners are not viable. Strain dependent, I don't even bother to remove them on a cpl of old strains I still have. One is an old Skunk x Romulan. Big plant, heavy solid yields of quality buds. She drops a cpl of naners on nearly everyother run. She has never produced a seed!

On the other hand. I had a strain that came from a well known source and sold by the "TUDE". Sounded (at the time as I don't recall the strain any more) to be an interesting cross....Fully half the beans popped did a heavy banana herming! Damn things had seeds all over them. They were in a 36x24 area, that was filled with plants, and had plenty of air flow. The ones that threw the "naners". Only succeded in pollinating themselves! Not even the otherplants of the same strain got "carry over" pollination from them.

Now when you say "One male flower can pollinate hundreds of females." You are quite correct!

Just trying to clairify, not argue!

I have found this too. I forced a bunch of clones to nanner with a 1/23 light schedule and only ever found a few speckles of pollen under a 1000x scope. Nothing like a male flower on a male plant that leaves visible piles of dust and will even poof a cloud of dust at you if you disturb them. It appears exactly like you say. Males are bred for spreading their jizz far and wide. Herms are more like I just need to reach that fluff <1mm away and I'm home and hosed. Men always cut corners - no need to expend that much energy getting the job done :bigjoint:

:bigjoint:

SPLFreak808

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#44

I've had sacks of nanners from almost every node pollinate almost the entire cab full of oscillating fans lol, thats alot of nanners and air movement in a little box though, Hard to notice that shit in a scrog so it had some time to pollinate.

I've also had a single nanner pollinate a few calyxs below and around the area, nothing serious really when its just one and if kept away from the fan you'll probably only get 5-10 seeds if even viable.

A single nanner only drops a limited amount of pollen, as long as you dont have a hurricane in the grow room then you wont get much seeds at all unless your growing in a shoebox.

Dr. Who

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#45

outlier said:
I have found this too. I forced a bunch of clones to nanner with a 1/23 light schedule and only ever found a few speckles of pollen under a 1000x scope. Nothing like a male flower on a male plant that leaves visible piles of dust and will even poof a cloud of dust at you if you disturb them. It appears exactly like you say. Males are bred for spreading their jizz far and wide. Herms are more like I just need to reach that fluff <1mm away and I'm home and hosed. Men always cut corners - no need to expend that much energy getting the job done

SPLFreak808 said:
I've had sacks of nanners from almost every node pollinate almost the entire cab full of oscillating fans lol, thats alot of nanners and air movement in a little box though, Hard to notice that shit in a scrog so it had some time to pollinate.

I've also had a single nanner pollinate a few calyxs below and around the area, nothing serious really when its just one and if kept away from the fan you'll probably only get 5-10 seeds if even viable.

A single nanner only drops a limited amount of pollen, as long as you dont have a hurricane in the grow room then you wont get much seeds at all unless your growing in a shoebox.

You'se guys need to explain this to Mr. P-hays...he can't seem to get it.....

purplehays1 said:
i agree but high powered indoor fans will move pollen without issue, and even one stamen produces enough pollen to pollinate hundreds of plants. The saving grace is that you have a couple days to grab the bananas before they release, if you dont it will likely pollinate every plant in a room.

All a flower is are stamen and a covering. Bananas just dont have the bulb covering the stamen they certainly are male flowers.

One should not be having a "high powered" fan blowing hard enough on the plants to do that. I don't like wind burn either - ;-)

;-)

;-)

Single stamen "herms" do not produce enough pollen to pollinate "hundreds" of plants....did you read the post above by @outlier ? I've refrained from saying it like this but, outlier is correct! I have a cpl of scopes that we use for bio counting teas and other soil related things. I too have "scoped" many "naners" and found that by far what he describes as true, when dealing with minor bisexuality from late stress. Now plants that throw mass amounts of "naners" during budding. Those produce far more viable pollen. This is still the larger heavier pollen.....

Technically speaking. A single thrown banana. Is not called nor considered a male "flower". It is simply part of one. A whole, complete male flower will have 4 stamen in each blooming flower "ball".

I am only trying to convey true facts to the heard of novice growers. I believe that having the and knowing these things will help them to understand the how's and why's of what we do. Without passing along undue fears......

I will say that it maybe true that a very few single stamen "naners" could be high in viable pollen counts. The thing is, in my years, I have yet to see it in anything but the failed breeding ones with mass banana production...

Peace on hays

Sunny Organics

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#46

next you see some nanners dont kill the plant or snap the branch off just pinch off the nanners chances are youre already going to have seeds in those buds only.

K

KryptoBud

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#47

purplehays1 said:
i have never had my own room pollinated, but have many friends that have

The I heard or my friend told me methods of growing are the building blocks of bro science.

Got4m2e0

Well-Known Member

#48

I get it that it would seem to be a problem it is natural to freak out when something happens and you don't want to risk anything. Others have posted more detailed explanations that have more science to back it up mixed with experiences. If it is this much of a problem by all means pull the plant. In my own experience, and many others, nanners are seldom a problem. However they could be an indication of stress as well as late flowering, if it was stress induced, FROM LARGE FANS blowing on your crop then it would stand to reason that a small sac of well formed pollen makers could of slipped by unnoticed. Those will and often DO ruin large crops. So I would say, if you temps are good, leaf color is not blackish green or anything other then a nice healthy shade for that stage of growth than I would not worry about a few Nanners. you can pick them off if the plant has a few more weeks but if you talking 4 days till you pull it I would have better things to do and would bother concentrating on one plant. The bright side is, you know you ran them long enough because they really want to atleast get a seed out before they expire.

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Whynames

New Member

#49

StoneyMcphatter said:
So you just told him not to watch the plant or others because thats what I said I would do but because I said it then it must be wrong then you type this "Keep a closer eye on this plant and the whole run for more.".I get it its cool to hate on me mate but seriously read what you type. Anyway I never told him to do anything, I explained what I WOULD DO. People calling me an idiot for managing my garden the way I want to is hilarious. Whats crazy is this is the second post where someone isn't reading what he or I am typing but goes on the offensive cause its cool to hate stoney. Funny indeed.

Get rid of plant if you see nanner it will put pollen everywhere making it harder af to clean your rooms its not worth keeping it unless its a tent you can clean easy

Lenin1917

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#50

Depends on how late everything is in your flower tent/room. If everything is close to done, I’d let it ride lots of strains throw nanners towards the end of their life in a last ditch effort to reproduce. But if you’ve got stuff in early-mid flower in the same space you might wanna cull it.

hotrodharley

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#51

Whynames said:
Get rid of plant if you see nanner it will put pollen everywhere making it harder af to clean your rooms its not worth keeping it unless its a tent you can clean easy

If you had just waited until October your advice would have been 6 years too late.

jondamon

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#52

Whynames said:
Get rid of plant if you see nanner it will put pollen everywhere making it harder af to clean your rooms its not worth keeping it unless its a tent you can clean easy

Hmm weird.

I had an eleven roses that was bananarama city and yet I didn’t find a single seed in 4 plants and only 1 was the bananarama eleven roses.

care to explain why considering your statement?

D

drumrol

Active Member

#53

Hermie-- 1st grow, 8 weeks into flower - I just noticed mine did a hermie, 4 plants look good other than some sacks. Hermie weed is as good as sense, just some seeds, that is old school, no biggie. When its time pick them all, remove seeds, enjoy. And learn from experience. I have learned a butt load this 1st grow, and this hermie experience is my final chapter in my 1st grow. I plan on many clean grows in the future, and will be watching for sacks and bananas. Happy smoking 8-)

8-)

Star Dog

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#54

Has anyone actually had a crop seeded?

I've only ever had a few seeds here and there and from memory nothing that would've grown, are growers scared of hermies because of bs posts that get made or is there a legitimate reason for concern with them that I'm unaware of, maybe I've just been lucky?

Bollox early on are a bit concerning but nanners aren't however I can relate to the op I remember the threat of nanners scared me.

PopAndSonGrows

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#55

My understanding of nanners is, if you see em, they're already "open". Also nanners does not = herm.

Having said that, look. ...unless you're growing medicine for patients, growing for profit or competition, WHO CARES if your personal smoke has some nanners, or even a few seeds in it? Big whoop. Not the end of the world.

GrassBurner

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#56

I've only gotten a handful of seeds off of a couple plants. 1 showed sacks a few weeks into flower, one showed bananas 3 or 4 weeks into flower. All the seeds have grown fem plants, and none of those showed any hermie tendencies. Both plants were pretty stressed in one way or another.

xtsho

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#57

Many years ago when I first came across some nanners late in flower I was unsure of what I was looking at. But even back then there was the internet "Google has been around since the late 90's" and I was able to do some research and find some information. What I found was much different than what you read today. I found that the pollen from these nanners could be viable and if so would produce seeds that would be female plants. What I read was more of "You're lucky" scenario where I could use that pollen to make my own feminized seeds. I wasted no time in carefully plucking those nanners and applying that pollen to other plants. That was my first foray into making my own seeds and I grew them for years and never once had any plants that showed hermaphroditic tendencies.

There is a difference between a plant that shoots out male inflorescences late in flower and a plant that develops male inflorescences early in the flowering stage. Late in flower I've seen plants that developed nanners and at the same time a small flush of new pistils. By then the plant is close to harvest and pollination will not lead to viable seeds unless the plant is growing on it's own and is not harvested. 100% of seeds I've collected using late flower nanners have been female.

The plants that have balls dangling at the same time the first main pistil growth is occurring can seed an entire crop and those seeds can be both male and female. That's an undesirable scenario as the early release of pollen is what will seed an entire crop.

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