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Padawanbater2 said:

If you support raising the minimum wage, what was the point of posting that scenario? It's pretty clear the implication from reading that is that if the minimum wage is raised it will harm people making close to the proposed raise, "poor Jack "

Raising the minimum wage helps everyone, not only those who earn more money directly. It helps small business owners by increasing their sales because people have more disposable income to spend, strengthening the economy

If minimum wage increases, anyone's wage who makes below that will increase. What exactly is the logic in the argument if the minimum wage increases it will harm those already making above that? Is it the fairness aspect, that it wouldn't be fair to raise one group's income and not the others, or that prices will rise effectively decreasing the purchasing power of those making the proposed minimum wage or near it? Or something else?

Individuals can change it, sure, but not everyone, not at the same time. That's just not how it works in the real world. Take my "ethics or profit first?" thread for example, that pretty much proves that there are some people out there that would pay their employees even less if they could legally get away with it just to increase profit margins. When I used to work retail, I would get a raise generally every 3-6 months, it was based on a 4 point system of your performance during that time, I never earned a 4, but I did earn a 3 which was a $.09/hour "raise". I don't imagine earning a 4 would be much more than that, and keep in mind, this was a multinational fortune 500 company..

A company that big that treats their employees like that is unacceptable. In many jobs, managers get bonuses if they decrease company costs, including things like raises. Effectively transferring the wealth that would have gone to me, to her because I had no power to negotiate. When I was hired I tried to negotiate for a higher wage up front, like so many here suggest, and the manager made it clear, take it or leave it. My coworker had served in the Army and had earned a BS in chemistry and was making cents above what I was making.

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schuylaar said:

i will say this bothers me. you work at a lame ass job and making $14 or $15, after 'being there' for a few years..the minimum increase comes and everyone is making now making $12 as a starting when you made $8 as a starting..

shouldn't those who have been there also benefit from the same increase? if not, doesn't that trivialize all that persons monetary achievements?

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Harrekin said:

He still doesn't realise the minimum will always be the minimum, he thinks he's creating wealth out of nothing.

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sheskunk said:

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sheskunk said:

I wouldn't even bother applying there.

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sheskunk said:

I was just wondering how the people who have worked hard to get higher pay will feel if new hires come in at the same rate that people with seniority have worked to earn.

An employee works for what he agrees to work for. Nobody is "forced" to work for anybody. If you work for low pay it is up to YOU to do better for yourself.

I am not against higher pay, I am against whiners. If you don't like how the company is run, don't work there.

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schuylaar said:

@sheskunk actually, i'm looking into 'tissue procurement' technician..i'm advanced enough in mortuary that i could take the 8-week course online and get certified..i like a career where i can move about and make a difference in peoples lives'..i don't like sitting on my ass all day.

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Harrekin said:

Not enough free shit/it ran out?

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Hazydat620 said:

Nice to see that all your arguments are based on an idea that people should be paid according to seniority and not skill sets. How anyone takes you seriously?????

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abandonconflict said:

But we're not just talking macroeconomics. In a market, with a raised minimum wage, a huge portion of the population will have twice as much money, which translates to far more than double the disposable income. Bakeries create products for working class consumers. If most of the working class consumers have twice as much money to spend, bakeries just like all businesses which create products targeted at working class consumers will now be operating in a market with that much more demand for goods and services.

Would you rather open up a bakery in a place where people have lots of money to spend? Or would you prefer to run a business that sells goods geared towards the working class in a locale where these consumers are strapped for cash?

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sheskunk said:

My argument is ... if you want more money, work harder.

It's a pretty simple concept.

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sheskunk said:

"twice as much money"?

"more than double the disposable income"?

Another math genius here folks.

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TBoneJack said:

see, I don't question your successful businesses, but would your say your success owes more to your technical prowess, business savvy, or both?

As I recall, you have formal education in both areas. It just completely irks me to see anyone who has expertise in both. Jealousy on my part, I guess.

Disregard, if you wish. I mean no disrespect. I'm just curious.

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Harrekin said:

He still doesn't realise the minimum will always be the minimum, he thinks he's creating wealth out of nothing.

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