free gas !!!!!
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OnSolomonsGrave
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I don't think he is saying you should be forced to use it, and clearly if mass transit isn't applicable, I don't think he is saying it would be like used to remove ALL cars cause thats clearly unfeasible, as made pretty evident by your post. BUT you could replace ALOT of cars in ALOT of major city's with good mass transit.
OnSolomonsGrave
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Gotta pay those politicians, can't give the people rides.
Dankdude
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Go back and read through the links I provided.
OnSolomonsGrave
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Read a lot of that only have to quote 1 small part, that you surely must have ignored "Although the abiogenic hypothesis is accepted by some geologists in Russia, geologists consider the biogenic formation of petroleum to be supported scientifically. Though evidence exists for abiogenic creation of methane and hydrocarbon gases within the Earth[2][3], studies indicate that they are not produced in commercially significant quantities.[4] All hydrocarbon gases that are extracted for use as fuel or raw materials for industrial production contain a median abiogenic hydrocarbon content of only 200 parts per million (ppm) or one fiftieth of one percent. The abiogenic origin of petroleum has also recently been reviewed in detail by Glasby, who raises a number of objections, including that there is no direct evidence to date of abiogenic petroleum (liquid crude oil and long-chain hydrocarbon compounds)." So this oil could have been formed at any period, since we cannot date it, it's very plausible this is just excess crude in the mantle being pushed up to refill the oil pools, so to the end we have more oil then we think, but still not a infinite supply. Even if it was a infinite supply, do we really want to continue to use it is the question? I believe the correct answer is no.
tipsgnob
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Leave it to George W. Bush to never miss an easy chance to troll for a cheap, short-term political edge. Even though anybody who cares to know the truth is aware that it would take decades for any new offshore drilling to bring gasoline to our cars, our most unsubstantial president still panders to those who aren’t paying attention.
And it is of equally little surprise that with our economy faltering, trouble in the housing and banking markets and the constant drain of billions of dollars into Iraq while al-Qaida and the Taliban regroup in Afghanistan, Bush is doing anything he can to change the subject.
Fortunately, most of the leaders of both parties know well that we need a serious alternative energy policy that will loosen the grip that Middle Eastern oil producing countries and Exxon, BP and the rest of Big Oil have on us all.
It is most refreshing to realize that in about six months we will no longer have Bush
and Dick Cheney in the White House sacrificing America’s future for their own and Big Oil’s economic gain.
And it is of equally little surprise that with our economy faltering, trouble in the housing and banking markets and the constant drain of billions of dollars into Iraq while al-Qaida and the Taliban regroup in Afghanistan, Bush is doing anything he can to change the subject.
Fortunately, most of the leaders of both parties know well that we need a serious alternative energy policy that will loosen the grip that Middle Eastern oil producing countries and Exxon, BP and the rest of Big Oil have on us all.
It is most refreshing to realize that in about six months we will no longer have Bush
and Dick Cheney in the White House sacrificing America’s future for their own and Big Oil’s economic gain.
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tipsgnob
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I GET SICK AND TIRED THAT THE PEOPLE FALL FOR THE RHETORIC ADVANCED BY THE OILCOMPANIES AND THE POLITICIANS THAT IT WOULD TAKE YEARS TO ALLEVIATE OUR DEPENDENCE ON OIL. How long did it take Hitler to alleviate his oil dependence in World war II . In a matter of months he converted the worlds largest mobilized army to run on alcohol . If he could do it we sure as hell could do it but there is no big money for corporate America if the government handles it like he did. That's the only reason that we have not done it already. the experts have talked this issue to death for the past fifty years and have done nothing.
watch da illuminati project part 1 on youtube n also research the bilder group u have nothing to loose just much to gain !!!!!!
Mr.KushMan
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On the subject of free gas have you guys heard of using water as a fuel? Its a very interesting matter.
let me see you put your bain to work and tell me if i'm ready for flower https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/46725-munch-box-chompin-cotton-candy.html
tipsgnob
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WASHINGTON Even if Congress were to lift its 27-year offshore drilling ban tomorrow, it would take energy companies several years to explore for oil and natural gas off much of the U.S. coast, experts say.
Companies may not drill at all if they don't believe there are enough oil and gas deposits to justify the huge upfront costs involved in setting up drill platforms, laying underwater pipelines and creating other infrastructure, the experts say.
That means the economic benefits of drilling increased supply of oil and natural gas, lower prices at the gas pump, smaller utility bills and potentially thousands of new energy-related jobs are years away from materializing, if at all.
Andy Radford, a policy adviser with the American Petroleum Institute, a Washington-based lobbying group, estimated that it could take at least two to 10 years to produce oil or natural gas off the Jersey Shore once companies win federal offshore drilling leases.
"We have to walk before we can run in this case. We don't want to give people the sense that this is going to happen overnight," Radford said.
In July, President Bush lifted an 18-year drilling ban instituted by his father, saying America must increase its domestic supply of fuel. Bush urged Congress to end its drilling moratorium. Both bans forbid drilling in federal waters off the East and West coasts, and a portion of the eastern Gulf of Mexico.
Most congressional Democrats support the ban, saying they want to protect American beaches and coastal ecosystems from potential oil spills and other hazards. They want the U.S. to step up investment in renewable energy sources such as solar and wind and reduce dependence on fossil fuels.
Process will take years
Setting aside the political debate, which will flare up once Congress returns in September, the path from lifting the moratorium to producing oil and gas is strewn with legal and environmental requirements that would take years to meet.
First the proposed leases must be included in a five-year plan of the U.S. Interior Department's Minerals Management Service.
Because the plan expires in 2012, new leases can't be considered until after that year, unless Congress says otherwise, Chris Oynes, head of the MMS offshore drilling office, said Friday.
Before the leases can be auctioned, the government has to conduct environmental studies to ensure that opening up the areas wouldn't result in ecological disaster. That process could take two years, Oynes said.
Then, companies probably would conduct new seismic surveys, because the last ones were done before 1981, to determine the size and location of oil and gas deposits. They would then have to get their production plans and other operational details, such as an oil-spill mitigation plan, approved by the government before they could begin work.
Contact Raju Chebium at rchebium@gns.gannett.com.
Companies may not drill at all if they don't believe there are enough oil and gas deposits to justify the huge upfront costs involved in setting up drill platforms, laying underwater pipelines and creating other infrastructure, the experts say.
That means the economic benefits of drilling increased supply of oil and natural gas, lower prices at the gas pump, smaller utility bills and potentially thousands of new energy-related jobs are years away from materializing, if at all.
Andy Radford, a policy adviser with the American Petroleum Institute, a Washington-based lobbying group, estimated that it could take at least two to 10 years to produce oil or natural gas off the Jersey Shore once companies win federal offshore drilling leases.
"We have to walk before we can run in this case. We don't want to give people the sense that this is going to happen overnight," Radford said.
In July, President Bush lifted an 18-year drilling ban instituted by his father, saying America must increase its domestic supply of fuel. Bush urged Congress to end its drilling moratorium. Both bans forbid drilling in federal waters off the East and West coasts, and a portion of the eastern Gulf of Mexico.
Most congressional Democrats support the ban, saying they want to protect American beaches and coastal ecosystems from potential oil spills and other hazards. They want the U.S. to step up investment in renewable energy sources such as solar and wind and reduce dependence on fossil fuels.
Process will take years
Setting aside the political debate, which will flare up once Congress returns in September, the path from lifting the moratorium to producing oil and gas is strewn with legal and environmental requirements that would take years to meet.
First the proposed leases must be included in a five-year plan of the U.S. Interior Department's Minerals Management Service.
Because the plan expires in 2012, new leases can't be considered until after that year, unless Congress says otherwise, Chris Oynes, head of the MMS offshore drilling office, said Friday.
Before the leases can be auctioned, the government has to conduct environmental studies to ensure that opening up the areas wouldn't result in ecological disaster. That process could take two years, Oynes said.
Then, companies probably would conduct new seismic surveys, because the last ones were done before 1981, to determine the size and location of oil and gas deposits. They would then have to get their production plans and other operational details, such as an oil-spill mitigation plan, approved by the government before they could begin work.
Contact Raju Chebium at rchebium@gns.gannett.com.
