Fuken Coco Part # 2, Story of a dead mother.

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Damn you Coco Coir! DAMN YOU!!!! Any ideas on what could be going on with this plant. Was sick a week or 10 days ago, been trying to nurse her back to health but to no avail. I put her outside today and ran 15 gallons(5 gallons, let it run off x 3) of PH 5.5 water mixed with Humbolt Nutrients Royal Flush. Now it's just sitting outside in the damn 90+ heat. It's not usually outside. Besides being so sickly, have you ever seen such dense growth.

I'm 100% stumped. It's totally green, leaves look healthy except for the shriveling curling up BS. I still can't tell if it's under-watered, or over-watered. There should be ZERO nutrients or salt build up in this soil at this point. Any ideas? You think it's too far gone? Can I even cut clones of it while it's this sick? Looks worse in person than in these pics.


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Looks like overwatering to me and a bit of nute burn. Cut back on the watering, let the medium dry out more, cut back on the nutes a bit. Also makesure you have drainage holes in that bucket. Scroggsy
 
Yeah it's tough to figure out. Been giving it 1/4 strength nutes for the past week. I'm just gonna let it go 3 days straight with no water. This worries me because if pour a gallon of water in it. I'd say 70% of that gallon runs off to waste. There are 10 1/4" drain holes on the bottom of the 5 gallon bucket and 2 1/4" on each side of the bucket 1/4" from the bottom. It definitely drains.
 
hmm the wilting and wrinkled leaves is from over fertilization. the only reason they havent burned(they are soooo close with those wrinkles) is because they are over watered a little, and over watering suffocated the roots and blocks N from being absorbed. so your over watering is keeping you safe from over fertilization for now. i say flush and then dont water again until the plant recovers and starts shows signs of wilting. start using half strength every other water, the 1/4 strength every day is causing salt build up(wilting leaves even though soil is fine). the trick to getting the dirt to absorb the water is to pour it in slowly, put your hose on trickle and let it soak through the pot. if any deficiency arises such as N deficiency;(lower leaves yellowing) then folair feed with 1/4 strength nutes at night or in the early early morning... just not when the sun is shinning, they'll fry
 
the hose still needs to have enough flow to cause run off though, thus cleansing the salty soil. and plants grow the fastest under half strength nutes(900ppm-1500ppm), and they grow slowest with full strength(2500ppm) and 1/4 strength(300ppm).
 
oh wait im retarded those wrinkly leaves are those reveg ones arent they. i've had those too, like the calyx turn into a single blade leaf with a lot curl
 
No NO No don't flush it again you just did that. She is overwatered. What nutes you running?
Just pick it up and feel the weight of your pot and go by that. And when you feed or water put something underneath to catch water let the roots/coco soak it up since you say70% of it runs out......won't have to use so much water.
Ph at 5.5 is to low also.
 
TheOrganic said:
No NO No don't flush it again you just did that. She is overwatered. What nutes you running?
Just pick it up and feel the weight of your pot and go by that. And when you feed or water put something underneath to catch water let the roots/coco soak it up since you say70% of it runs out......won't have to use so much water.
Ph at 5.5 is to low also.
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Ditto

dirtysnowball im sure your advice sounds spot on for soil growing but this is coco growing and I recognise this as overwatering, you have to let the plants drink a touch drier during this stage to help develop the kind of roots that can drink a pot dry fast during the flowering stage. You will build up a denser rootball in coco if you let the pots dry out some inbetween to let the roots catch up.

That plant looks good to go back on an EC of around 0.8-1.0 once you have let it drink the water it has become bogged down in. That strain looks to grow very similar to the Northern Light Blue I just got rid of, very leafy and a pain in the ass to harvest. Scroggsy.
 
drill more holes in the side of your bucket.get some air flow. put a fan on the plant it will help dry out the soil.
 
Scroggsy said:
Ditto

dirtysnowball im sure your advice sounds spot on for soil growing but this is coco growing and I recognise this as overwatering, you have to let the plants drink a touch drier during this stage to help develop the kind of roots that can drink a pot dry fast during the flowering stage. You will build up a denser rootball in coco if you let the pots dry out some inbetween to let the roots catch up.

That plant looks good to go back on an EC of around 0.8-1.0 once you have let it drink the water it has become bogged down in. That strain looks to grow very similar to the Northern Light Blue I just got rid of, very leafy and a pain in the ass to harvest. Scroggsy.
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Heh. It's supposed to be Mango. It's a female (probably hermy now) grown from a clone. Such dense growth and MASSIVE fan leaves. I was only feeding it the three part Humbolt Nutrients, CalMag, another product called Verde (could be the culprit, it's 16-1-1, i'm only gonna use that for foliar from now on) and organic product called Seaplex which is basically brown sea kelp. PPM were 550 on the Truncheon.

Incidentally it seems not all of these products change the EC/PPM of the solution. I check the PPM after I do the three part nutes to make sure it's between 500-700 and when I add the CalMag and SeaPlex it doesn't seem to raise the EC? Can that be right?

I got a bottle of Hygrozyme and and a bottle of H&G Root Exculerator. Wasn't playing on using them until next grow but I can use them if anyone thinks they will help.

Oh and one more thing. When I check the soil for moisture whether it be soil or coco, the roots are RIGHT there at the top. Don't remember that being the case in the past. I mean you scrap off an 1/8-1/4" of the top of the medium and you are hitting live roots. Throwing that out there, doubt it makes a difference.
 
ClamDigger said:
what is your light cycle? :lol:
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Light cycle is 18-6 but the dark cycle is not pitch black. The plants in soil are kick ass. It's just the three in the coco giving me issues. I'm really thinking it's gotta be a over-water/PH issue. It was a BITCH to get the PH of the coco stable. I think I broke it's back finally. My grow tent is finally finishing this weekend. You'd be surprised how hard it was to get ahold of 8" ducting. The big box stores here only carry 4" and 6".

As soon as this thing un-stunts itself it's going to be flowering. I don't usually do this but the growth is so thick I may whack the lower branches for the first time ever, no light can penetrate down by the stem.
 
Ya might be the coco messin with ya if your not used to it. I use humboldt organic line and they can't get enough of it in soil.
Try tying branches down to spread them out. Will be a bush then and more yield.
 
This plant is dying as is my other plant in Coco. My hydro plants and soil plants are raping faces though. I think coco refuses to drop it's soil PH. I've never seen a plant die so quickly and show no signs of discoloration on the leaves. The sicker it gets the more dark green it gets and purple leave petioles.
 
I drilled a bunch more holes on the side of the 5 gallon buckets. I also transplanted two more White Widow to 3 gallon Smart Pots. The Smart Pots are nice. MUCH easier to see when they are getting dry. I think these are going to work good.
 
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