tangerinegreen555
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Never grew an auto (that I know of). It was 10 -12 yrs. ago, Early Hope or something like that.
GAS lantern Schedule & Diminished light
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ttystikk
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'premature ejaculator', maybe? Lol
tangerinegreen555
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Lol. It wasn't that memorable for a reason.
a senile fungus
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We need to bring rep back.
Bob woulda lost all his already, lol
Bob woulda lost all his already, lol
churchhaze
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Interesting theory.... but..... it's not the way he writes, it's the things he says. The way you describe it, people only argue based on emotion rather than on what they believe is correct. You'd be right for people like mongofrog.
churchhaze
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Here's an advanced technique... It's called 24/0.
Want to save electricity? Use less light! Less light also implies less startup cost, and lower maintenance costs. You also don't need a timer.
Want to save electricity? Use less light! Less light also implies less startup cost, and lower maintenance costs. You also don't need a timer.
torontoke
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And this says more about the closed mindedness of people these days.
Everyone seems to get fixed in their ways and assumes that they are smarter then the guy next to them. Based usually on someone else's theories or trial and error.
People like to think they know everything about growing mj because they read something or someone told them "how it is."
It's my belief that our growing environments are as varied as our needs and everyone should try things and find what works best for them. Why does someone else's timer settings or light choice effect anyone else?
I'm 100% positive that RM3 is very happy doing exactly what he's doing and isn't going to change anything because of something someone online argues about.
BobCajun
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Still evil I see. How surprising.
tstick
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I ran the Gas Lantern Technique in veg. and it worked FANTASTIC!
I then switched over to the Diminished Lighting Schedule for flowering and I started to get worried at around week 5 because the plant was starting to cannibalize its shade leaves...which was earlier than I remembered having this strain show this.
The strain description for MotherTongue given by the TGA Subcool site is that the plant finishes at 56-60 days. However, I NEVER go by what a seed seller says, in that regard! I try to always take my plants 10 weeks or more. But this time, I think I am going to be pushing it to even get through this week 9 because the trichomes are pure milk, the branches are flopping over and there is jussssst the hint of some fox tailing starting.
I always grow from regular seeds, so it's hard to tell if the growth, yield, etc. are more related to the phenotype or if they are responding to the lighting schedule...but all I can say is that I'm sold on the techniques, now, and I will use them in the future.
I think the flowers are producing more terpenes than ever before...again can't say for certain what the relevance of that is...but I'm very happy with the results.
For all the people who maybe can't afford to get into the LED game for efficiency, they can certainly improve their electrical use by incorporating these techniques.
I then switched over to the Diminished Lighting Schedule for flowering and I started to get worried at around week 5 because the plant was starting to cannibalize its shade leaves...which was earlier than I remembered having this strain show this.
The strain description for MotherTongue given by the TGA Subcool site is that the plant finishes at 56-60 days. However, I NEVER go by what a seed seller says, in that regard! I try to always take my plants 10 weeks or more. But this time, I think I am going to be pushing it to even get through this week 9 because the trichomes are pure milk, the branches are flopping over and there is jussssst the hint of some fox tailing starting.
I always grow from regular seeds, so it's hard to tell if the growth, yield, etc. are more related to the phenotype or if they are responding to the lighting schedule...but all I can say is that I'm sold on the techniques, now, and I will use them in the future.
I think the flowers are producing more terpenes than ever before...again can't say for certain what the relevance of that is...but I'm very happy with the results.
For all the people who maybe can't afford to get into the LED game for efficiency, they can certainly improve their electrical use by incorporating these techniques.
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tstick
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One of my best friends is one of the partners at a mega-HUGE recreational grow facility. All they use is HID lights....just cannot convince them of the merits of LED. But, I wonder if I can convince them to at least try out the Gas Lantern Technique for their veg. rooms. On that kind of scale, the electrical savings would be major -especially for HID lighting.
torontoke
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Doubtful
Most of these places have to many scientists and preconceived ideas to try anything non traditional.
And if they are being paid handsomely per gram then the wasted electric costs are being covered so why would they bother.
This is one of those things that u can claim works for u but that's about it. If you tell others let alone try to convince them you will be ridiculed and trolled.
tstick
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Well, ok...I was bored...I'm not great at math, but this seems pretty easy to calculate....
Let's compare the standard 18/6 lighting schedule that many people use for vegging their plants. Let's figure that we are going to sprout the seed and grow them, top and/or supercrop them a bit...more or less let's call it 8 weeks. Once you see the math, you can adjust according to your own schedule-preferences.
Okay, so, based on my numbers, that's:
18 hours X 8 weeks
8 weeks = 56 days
56 days X 18 = 1008 hours on
And now we calculate the flowering cycle based on a (fairly) standard 10 week period of 12/12
12 hours X 10 weeks
10 weeks = 70 days
70 days X 12 = 840 hours on
56 days (veg) + 70 days (flower) = 126 days
So, in that 126 day period, the lights will be on for 1848 hours
Compare to Gas Lantern Technique + Diminished Lighting Schedule numbers:
13 (12 +1) hours X 8 weeks = 728 hours on
And for flowering (adjusted bi-weekly):
11 X 14(154) + 10.5 X 14(147) + 10 X 14(140) + 9.5 X 14(133) + 9 X 14(126)
154 + 147 + 140 + 133 + 126 = 700 hours on
That means the lights will be on for 1428 hours
You save...Are you ready for this?....420 hours!! Is that a sign or what?
That's a savings of 17.5 days worth of lights being on!
Plus, for whatever reason(s) this type of grow schedule seems to accelerate the entire growth/ripening process and cut the entire run by a week! This is actually panning out to be true for me, as I will be harvesting a week earlier than usual! So, to that 17.5 figure, I will add another 7 days for an additional 63 hours saved (7 days X 9 hours on per day = 63 hours)!
I'm sold!
Let's compare the standard 18/6 lighting schedule that many people use for vegging their plants. Let's figure that we are going to sprout the seed and grow them, top and/or supercrop them a bit...more or less let's call it 8 weeks. Once you see the math, you can adjust according to your own schedule-preferences.
Okay, so, based on my numbers, that's:
18 hours X 8 weeks
8 weeks = 56 days
56 days X 18 = 1008 hours on
And now we calculate the flowering cycle based on a (fairly) standard 10 week period of 12/12
12 hours X 10 weeks
10 weeks = 70 days
70 days X 12 = 840 hours on
56 days (veg) + 70 days (flower) = 126 days
So, in that 126 day period, the lights will be on for 1848 hours
Compare to Gas Lantern Technique + Diminished Lighting Schedule numbers:
13 (12 +1) hours X 8 weeks = 728 hours on
And for flowering (adjusted bi-weekly):
11 X 14(154) + 10.5 X 14(147) + 10 X 14(140) + 9.5 X 14(133) + 9 X 14(126)
154 + 147 + 140 + 133 + 126 = 700 hours on
That means the lights will be on for 1428 hours
You save...Are you ready for this?....420 hours!! Is that a sign or what?
That's a savings of 17.5 days worth of lights being on!
Plus, for whatever reason(s) this type of grow schedule seems to accelerate the entire growth/ripening process and cut the entire run by a week! This is actually panning out to be true for me, as I will be harvesting a week earlier than usual! So, to that 17.5 figure, I will add another 7 days for an additional 63 hours saved (7 days X 9 hours on per day = 63 hours)!
I'm sold!
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sallygram
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Thank you TStick for putting this tread on track again!
I had a broken timer in my last grow that was keeping 7 of my plants in the dark cycle for about 5 minutes a day longer then they should. Everyday my lights were coming on about 5 minutes later then the day before so I guess I had an inadvertant dimishing light schedule where I was loosing about 35 minutes a week. On my regular schedule I was supposed to harvest on Feb 10th. Well I took them down last night (one week early). The plants seemed to have stretched a little less (not much) but the bud sites are about half the size of the ones I am used to seeing. There is a major loss in weight to it. I am happy about the early harvest but not happy about the weight loss. So basically I am agreeing that a grower that doesn't care about weight may find that these light schedules work better for them.
The gas lamp method has always intrested me, last year I strated to do it then I ran into some health issues and went back to a 13/11 schedule because it was easier to explain to my caretaker when I was hospitalized, I actually have been working on two new vert setups of 150 plants each so maybe I will do a side by side just to try to end the debate (more likely it will just add to the debate lol).
I had a broken timer in my last grow that was keeping 7 of my plants in the dark cycle for about 5 minutes a day longer then they should. Everyday my lights were coming on about 5 minutes later then the day before so I guess I had an inadvertant dimishing light schedule where I was loosing about 35 minutes a week. On my regular schedule I was supposed to harvest on Feb 10th. Well I took them down last night (one week early). The plants seemed to have stretched a little less (not much) but the bud sites are about half the size of the ones I am used to seeing. There is a major loss in weight to it. I am happy about the early harvest but not happy about the weight loss. So basically I am agreeing that a grower that doesn't care about weight may find that these light schedules work better for them.
The gas lamp method has always intrested me, last year I strated to do it then I ran into some health issues and went back to a 13/11 schedule because it was easier to explain to my caretaker when I was hospitalized, I actually have been working on two new vert setups of 150 plants each so maybe I will do a side by side just to try to end the debate (more likely it will just add to the debate lol).
Chunky Stool
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tstick
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Interesting!
I do one run a year and I pop four seeds (all different strains) each time....hopefully, I get all-females. However, THIS run, 3 of the 4 plants turned out to be males!
So, with my one remaining female (TGA Mother Tongue), I decided to just go all-out with the experiments that I had been reading about for years and never tried.I ended up topping the plant twice and then super-cropping it with a heavy hand! I had a scrog net that I'd been wanting to try out...it's made of bungee cord and can hook onto my tent poles. I used a fantastic Timber Grow Lights light (CXB 400R) combined with some prototype 660nm Osram Olson bars they made for me...and I am just finishing the plants under a 400 watt MH bare-bulb fixture that had been my standard for 30 years or so (I always take meticulous care of my stuff....mainly because I don't have a ton of money!) I bought a brand-new bulb for it, of course! I also tried going all-organic soil and ferts this run, too...hoping to intensify terpenes and flavors.
I usually just pop the beans and then let the plants grow their own way, so doing all this new stuff was kind of exciting. I learned a lot from the experience, that's for sure! I am a better grower now because I kept an open mind. Even if my yield wasn't what I had hoped for, I made a pretty good batch of lemonade from a lemon of a run!
I can't say whether or not I am getting less yield using these techniques, because I always grow from regular seeds...so each phenotype is unique. Unless I was to grow out some clones and run the comparison to a more standard way of lighting schedule, I probably wouldn't be able to discern what the differences might be. I never pick strains based on their yield potential. I'm more of a flavor-seeker. If I get a plant that tastes really good, then I'm happy. My yields have varied, greatly, from strain-to-strain every single grow! But, I will say this....I have grown Mother Tongue twice before and it is a real "OG" of a plant....lots of consistent, small golf ball knobs...just frrrrrrosted with trichomes...and has the most unique, Bailey's Irish Cream diesel smell! Just a few days ago, it smelled like synthetic grapes! Even though the buds are small, they are dense and all the main branches are flopping over. I plan on trimming on Sunday in front of the tv (Super Bowl)!
Hopefully, I will have some pics posted of the grow and harvest, shortly!
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sallygram
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The vertical garden is based on a small yield per plant but a quick turnaround so 15 at 8oz. each would blow away my yield .You are setting up a new grow for 300 plants??? Holy shit!
I am limited to 15...
sallygram
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I would not mind trying some Irish Cream weed, I got some lemon haze last week and realized I am not much of a fan of lemons. lolInteresting!
I do one run a year and I pop four seeds (all different strains) each time....hopefully, I get all-females. However, THIS run, 3 of the 4 plants turned out to be males!
I ended up topping the plant twice and then super-cropping it with a heavy hand! I had a scrog net that I'd been wanting to try out...it's made of bungee cord and can hook onto my tent poles. I used a fantastic Timber Grow Lights light (CXB 400R) combined with some prototype 660nm Osram Olson bars they made for me...and I am just finishing the plants under an 400 watt MH bare-bulb fixture that had been my standard for 30 years or so (I always take meticulous care of my stuff....mainly because I don't have a ton of money!) I bought a brand-new bulb for it, of course! I also tried going all-organic soil and ferts this run, too...hoping to intensify terpenes and flavors.
I usually just pop the beans and then let the plants grow their own way, so doing all this new stuff was kind of exciting. I learned a lot from the experience, that's for sure! I am a better grower now because I kept an open mind. Even if my yield wasn't what I had hoped for, I made a pretty good batch of lemonade from a lemon of a run!
I can't say whether or not I am getting less yield using these techniques, because I always grow from regular seeds...so each phenotype is unique. Unless I was to grow out some clones and run the comparison to a more standard way of lighting schedule, I probably wouldn't be able to discern what the differences might be. I never pick strains based on their yield potential. I'm more of a flavor-seeker. If I get a plant that tastes really good, then I'm happy. My yields have varied, greatly, from strain-to-strain every single grow! But, I will say this....I have grown Mother Tongue twice before and it is a real "OG" of a plant....lots of consistent, small golf ball knobs...just frrrrrrosted with trichomes...and has the most unique, Bailey's Irish Cream diesel smell! Just a few days ago, it smelled like synthetic grapes! Even though the buds are small, they are dense and all the main branches are flopping over. I plan on trimming on Sunday in front of the tv (Super Bowl)!
Hopefully, I will have some pics posted of the grow and harvest, shortly!
tstick
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I agree. The lemon terpene profile strains tend to give a headache -especially the lemon Pledge furniture polish lemon smell. I do however, enjoy the tangerine/orange terps of some strains like Tangie and the grapefruit smelling terps of some Sativas - as far as citrus fruit smelling strains.
Yes, this Mother Tongue strain is really a chameleon. One day it smelled like pineapple. A week later, it smelled like grapes....a week later, it had a vanilla smell...then it took on a diesel and fake grape smell....and it seems to be finishing with this ultra-sweet, Bailey's smell....very creamy and vanilla...maybe some kind of root beer....weird.
Yes, this Mother Tongue strain is really a chameleon. One day it smelled like pineapple. A week later, it smelled like grapes....a week later, it had a vanilla smell...then it took on a diesel and fake grape smell....and it seems to be finishing with this ultra-sweet, Bailey's smell....very creamy and vanilla...maybe some kind of root beer....weird.