GB Winter Greenhouse 2014-2015

mikeykrinshaw12

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ph swings. it always lowers as it drys and you have to adjust differently with every watering (to a different ph) it was inconsistent, and was subject to salt build up once the roots completely filled the pots. I would go for perlite over coco any day. And- all you have to do is put some panda plastic over the top, taped down, to keep the perlite from flooding over.
 

mikeykrinshaw12

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or trash bags, or even lids to containers that are the same size....

If you want my honest and most humble opinion- Why the hell arent you just growing in soil?

There is nothing better, or more forgiving- than a decent soil mix.

If your going to do a hydro or soilless grow- do it aero, or bubbleponics, DWC Its the best imho. No media, so substrate to maintain- just resevour levels and cleanliness. Its all up to you and it all depends.

I tried a few things and found what works best for me- luckily it lines up with how science would predict it should- Soil, DWC/bubbleponics/aero
 

Garden Boss

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or trash bags, or even lids to containers that are the same size....

If you want my honest and most humble opinion- Why the hell arent you just growing in soil?

There is nothing better, or more forgiving- than a decent soil mix.

If your going to do a hydro or soilless grow- do it aero, or bubbleponics, DWC Its the best imho. No media, so substrate to maintain- just resevour levels and cleanliness. Its all up to you and it all depends.

I tried a few things and found what works best for me- luckily it lines up with how science would predict it should- Soil, DWC/bubbleponics/aero
:)
 

adower

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gonna have to try a pot first then:mrgreen:. Perlite isn't any more pourice than hydroton ? They say it is inhert ? I have read all kinds about Coco buckets on flood trays ?

Hydroton is heavy and harder to clean than perlite and perlite easier to hand water in a vegg room. .
From what I remember (its been a while since I read on it) hydroton is not very porous due to the baking process. Also, I meant to say coco is not inert. I believe perlite is inert as it is just glass.
 
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adower

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gonna have to try a pot first then:mrgreen:. Perlite isn't any more pourice than hydroton ? They say it is inhert ? I have read all kinds about Coco buckets on flood trays ?

Hydroton is heavy and harder to clean than perlite and perlite easier to hand water in a vegg room. .
Hydroton is easy to clean. I use a large 20 gallon tub, went to winco and bought a little spout that you can add to it. Fill the tub with water and add the hydroton. Wash it around and use the spout to drain. Fill it up again for a final rise :)
 

TWS

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or trash bags, or even lids to containers that are the same size....

If you want my honest and most humble opinion- Why the hell arent you just growing in soil?

There is nothing better, or more forgiving- than a decent soil mix.

If your going to do a hydro or soilless grow- do it aero, or bubbleponics, DWC Its the best imho. No media, so substrate to maintain- just resevour levels and cleanliness. Its all up to you and it all depends.

I tried a few things and found what works best for me- luckily it lines up with how science would predict it should- Soil, DWC/bubbleponics/aero
Soil is a constant over head, root balls of soil are a pain to dispose off, takes to long to correct a defecientancy and I always get some kind of bug with it.

Im talking about ebb n flow buckets not tables . I would use hydroton then . I have done DWC and really not into the the constant pumps and rez problems.
Im talking about ebb & flow linked buckets with perlite medium, the reason being is I can vegg on a passive Hempy bucket and then just move them to flower in the E & B system > My google search provides Hydroton will be a pain in the ass to passive vegg in as it will not hold much water and will need to be watered once a day and Perlite will work fine in E&B buckets .

http://www.simplyhydro.com/system.htm
 
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mikeykrinshaw12

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if you plan on using any of those systems it means using pumps and res's you would run into similar or same problems with.

root balls, toss em in the garden mulch.... same with used soil for the most part, out in the veggie or flower patches... reusing soil is easy. If you are looking for a no effort, no hassle, no work, no issue or concern thing to do, whatever works best for you my friend. And share it as you discover it so we can see how things go and better understand to decide for ourselves- Look around.... its all up to you, and it all depends.

I do easy and almost instant corrections in soil all the time- not sure what issues you have... and bugs.... not fun, they come when they come, and we deal with them, then try to better prepare to keep them away.

One of the coolest things about growing- we can all really get into our own realm and experience of it, and really relate in a lot of ways while still having our unique style and flair. always growing ourselves as people.
 

TWS

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your bugging me Larry !

I don't need any more dirt in my gardens they are full and we are talking a lot of extra dirt. a waste of money. Look man I been thru all the bull shit and theres a big diff between DWC and Ebb and flow.let alone organic soil grows..

What's this shit about it's all up to you larry ?

Hope I said that politely. :bigjoint:
 
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TWS

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Perlite Revisited


Anyone looking for a hydroponics system addition that is reliable, easy to use, easy to reuse and is quite budget friendly, should try growing their next crop in perlite. Read on to discover how horticulturists benefits from this time-tested growing addition.
Perlite, easily recognizable as little white rocks, is both cheap and easy to use, which is why you should reconsider using it to grow your plants. Perlite was one of the first reliable hydroponic growing mediums available to the horticulture market. You have seen it in the form of hard white bits in potting soil, but perlite can be used by itself in many hydroponic systems.
You can find varieties of perlite in liquid filtration systems, insulation and even soap. Growers add it to soil and soilless mixes to reduce compaction and increase drainage and aeration. The manufacturing process involves heating the raw material until it pops like popcorn, thus the porous nature of horticultural perlite.
I work in the gardening industry, and it’s my job to test different growing products and methods. In an effort to familiarize myself with all possible scenarios, I continue to experiment with various soil blends and all the latest and greatest hydro substrates. While perlite is often a component of these mixes, there are also benefits to using perlite by itself.
Benefits
Unlike most growing mediums, perlite starts out neutral in pH. There is no rinsing or buffering required in regards to correcting pH. Simply adjust the solution and water it in. Perlite will take on the acidity or alkalinity of the liquids that saturate it. Even when rinsed and dried, the naturally occurring pH of 7.0 isn’t going to harm a typical indoor garden plant species.
While it’s true that perlite is a non-renewable resource (volcanic rock), the supply on our planet is quite extensive. The current amount is expected to last hundreds of years. For me personally, environmental concerns are also a factor in choosing perlite. It’s super easy to reuse! Recycling this medium is simpler than most others currently available.
Perlite doesn’t hold onto nutrients the same way as soil, rockwool, coco coir, or even clay pebbles. You can reuse any of those mediums if you choose, but perlite can be cleaned in a matter of minutes, not days. When removing root balls, the medium falls away gently with a shake. Simply remove all visible organic matter (mostly roots) and rinse the perlite until the runoff measures less than 150 ppm.
If you need to sterilize the used perlite, just soak it in a 10% bleach solution. After 20 minutes of soaking, rinse thoroughly. Rain, dehumidifiers and reverse osmosis filters are always the preferred sources for rinse water. Actually, those are the best sources of water for most indoor garden applications.
There are even more benefits of using perlite in your grow space. It is one of the cheapest growing mediums you can find. It’s so lightweight that you can easily lift four cubic feet of it without straining. Plus, perlite is a staple in both traditional and hydroponic gardening, so you can find it at most garden supply stores. All of the above factors make perlite very easy to acquire.
Drawbacks
Now for the bad news. Perlite is messy. You don’t need to rinse it before mixing with soil, but you wouldn’t want all that dust in a hydro system. Perlite dust is not just a problem for pumps and tubing, but also for your respiratory system. It is listed as a “nuisance dust,” which means it can aggravate your eyes, mouth, throat and lungs.
Perlite is not considered carcinogenic, although the main component (alumina silicate) is. The research and safety information for perlite shows that it will aggravate pre-existing conditions, such as asthma, but does not directly cause lung cancer. Long-term exposure to high levels of this dust can cause a non-cancerous disease called silicosis.
The bottom line: wear goggles and a dust mask. You aren’t in any serious danger, but avoid the nuisance anyway. I’ve had perlite in my eyes and mouth, and since then I wear basic protection. Some growers prefer to fill their bags of perlite with water before opening to reduce or even eliminate airborne particulate.
Perlite works great in net cups, and even better in fabric pots. For hydroponics, get the large grade perlite (size #3 or #4). Ebb and flow, dutch buckets, DWC, and drip systems are all excellent methods for growing in perlite. I’ve also seen large plastic totes filled with the stuff, and the gardener watered by hand only when required. To my surprise, those plants where healthy and productive.
In Conclusion
If you need reliability, ease of use, ease of re-use, and budget pricing, try growing your next crop in perlite. On a side note, there is a new soil aerator going around that may outdo perlite because it offers many of the same benefits. This new stuff is made in North America from recycled glass so it is truly a renewable resource. It looks like reddish-orange perlite. Be sure to check a local grow store for more details. MY
Share your experiences using perlite with the editor of Maximum Yield by contacting editor@maximumyield.com This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
 

ruby fruit

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Ok hang on...im stoned...im gonna back up a few pages and get into the drift of things.



If its another debate about why we shouldnt use perlite etc ill say with thing.
I grew a 10k hydro set up with pumps and reservoirs for 4 years non stop ....we got 16 crops as we had a clone room available with the guy next door.

NEVER ONCE DO I REGRET GROWING WITH PERLITE ...ok now ill back.up a few pages and call myself an idiot when i come back.
 

nuggs

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How It going GB ? Sorry haven't read up on your thread just wanted to jump in and say Hi . Read that you didn't get a GG4 at the BBQ . Those were gone before they got unloaded. Grandpapy only had a few. I got one that I wasted.
Might be getting one soon. If so I'll make a trip to see you.
 

doublejj

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How It going GB ? Sorry haven't read up on your thread just wanted to jump in and say Hi . Read that you didn't get a GG4 at the BBQ . Those were gone before they got unloaded. Grandpapy only had a few. I got one that I wasted.
Might be getting one soon. If so I'll make a trip to see you.
do you want a GG#4 Nuggs?.....o_O
 

nuggs

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I was kinda hanging around you thread wanting to talk to you some. I don't want to dirty up GB 's spot. But yes I want one in fact Grandpapy called me with one he's bringing this week .
I promised GB a visit . I was thinking of running it up to him . If he hasn't gotten one yet so he could take some cuts. I'll PM you.
 

doubletake

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Shit I had know idea that really sucks Andower is correct, crazy you guys ban and Oregon everyone can grow four plants here next year.I told my wife I might put an la con tree out froth in a pot for decoration just because they are so pretty outside in veg and I can.
Hahhahaha hell yeah
 

doublejj

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Hey GB I just took cuts of that sour d you got me. I am thinking they are going to be promising. They stunk up the house in veg!
if that's the same SD that GB gave me last year at the Q.......I want oneo_O......I'm vaping some now(:
 

adower

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if that's the same SD that GB gave me last year at the Q.......I want oneo_O......I'm vaping some now(:
I don't think its the same one. He said he picked this up from a dispensary and he hasn't grown it out. Didnt you guys bring some sour diesel from your farm? Lost the cut I am guessing?

If you want a cut when it roots you can have one, although it hasnt been ran yet.
 

doublejj

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I don't think its the same one. He said he picked this up from a dispensary and he hasn't grown it out. Didnt you guys bring some sour diesel from your farm? Lost the cut I am guessing?
Yes/yes....due to the russet mite infestation that everyone experienced last year, I shut down my indoor & nuked everything....twice. Starting over.
 
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