GE Bright Stik's VS CFL's

GrumpyToker

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Not sure how many of you have heard about these GE Bright Stik's. The 60 watt replacement uses 10 watts!

http://m.homedepot.com/p/GE-60W-Equivalent-Daylight-General-Purpose-LED-Bright-Stik-light-bulb-3-Pack-LED10S3-5K-96/205783755

You can find the 60w replacements at Home Depot and the 100w replacements at SAMs club.

The caps on the 60w replacements come off pretty easy just break the three tabs. You'll find 6 led's under there. Two pins hold the LED board on there. I bent the pins slightly in opposite directions to hold the board in place.

They will not degrade over time like CFL and put off very very little heat. 10 watts of LED for each and they are $10 for a three pack

Here's a breakdown of the numbers:
GE bright stik 60 watt replacement lumen output is 760 and uses 10 watts
= 76 lumens per watt

CFL Phillips 60 watt replacement lumen output is 810 and uses 13 watts
= 62 lum per watt

You get more lumens per watt, less heat, no degradation over time and they are affordable
 
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mixchemical

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But you're just counting the effectiveness of the bulb right? Since the lumens per watt really doesn't make the GE bulb put out more lumens according to what you wrote except be more effective with the amount of watts per lumen.

So you get less lumens but save a bit on electricity. How are they compared to the philips CFL's, i'm guessing the GE are more expensive due to the LED part of the bulb.
 
mixchemical

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GrumpyToker said:
They are slightly more expensive, the 60 watt replacement bright Stik's are $10.97 for a three pack (think I paid 9.97)

The Phillips 60 watt replacements are $10.97 for a four pack
http://m.homedepot.com/p/Philips-60W-Equivalent-Daylight-6500K-T2-Spiral-CFL-Light-Bulb-E-4-Pack-434399/203248911
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Not that big of a difference then, but still, the difference is there. Will the saving of 3W /bulb be enough to make it worth paying more upfront? I don't use CFL's myself so I'm not sure what those bulbs longevity is.

Still, the heat generated from CFL's can't be that great since they're put so close to the plants, and having heat generated isn't a bad thing (it must come from somewhere I guess).

Good find never the less but I don't see them replacing regular CFL's, perhaps i'm just old fashioned :P If they had the same amount of lumens and a lower watt usage, I would by them instantly.
 
GrumpyToker

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They are more efficient bulb for bulb.

You get more lumens (everyone likes that), you will basically never have to replace them, (landfills like that) and they put off basically no heat (bonus for me I save on AC)

Cost breakdown:
6 bright sticks = $20
6 CFL Phillips = $15

For $5 more if you wanted 6 of them seems like a no brainer to me and best used for clones and hardening clones.
 
mixchemical

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GrumpyToker said:
They are more efficient bulb for bulb.

You get more lumens (everyone likes that), you will basically never have to replace them, (landfills like that) and they put off basically no heat (bonus for me I save on AC)

Cost breakdown:
6 bright sticks = $20
6 CFL Phillips = $15

For $5 more if you wanted 6 of them seems like a no brainer to me and best used for clones and hardening clones.
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I just can't agree with you based on the numbers you posted above.

Philips (6 bulbs) : 4860 lumens (810/bulb) @ 78watts (62 lumens per watt as you stated)
GE (6 bulbs) : 4560 lumens (710/bulb) @ 60 watts (76 lumens per wattas you stated)

Can you please explain then, because I can't see it, how the GE bulbs put out MORE lumens? Yes, the GE bulbs are more efficient with their power consumption but they still dont produce more lumens per bulb.

And about the heat, I don't use CFL's and never have so i'm not sure about it bout I can't imagine that they require any form of cooling rather than just being ventilated by the air flow in the room.

I see your point, but I just don't agree since the data doesn't match.
 
GrumpyToker

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The GE bulbs do not put out more lumens they put out less. They also use less watts. When you do the math you see that even though they put out less lumens, watt for watt you get more lumens ( 10 watts vs 13 watts). Outside of that I don't know how else to explain it to you. It's more efficient, better for the earth and less heat.

Heat may not be an issue for you why argue that. Some people are doing small stealth grows. Just trying to get the word out to folks not looking for a pissing contest but my dick is bigger
 
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mixchemical

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GrumpyToker said:
The GE bulbs do not put out more lumens they put out less. They also use less watts. When you do the math you see that even though they put out less lumens, watt for watt you get more. Outside of that I don't know how else to explain it to you. It's more efficient, better for the earth and less heat.

Heat may not be an issue for you why argue that. Some people are doing small stealth grows. Just trying to get the word out to folks not looking for a pissing contest but my dick is bigger
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I'm agreeing with you that the GE bulbs are more efficient yes but still, the philip bulbs produce more lumens and with such a "small" output of lumens you "usually" want more lumens instead of more bulbs.

And yes, that may be true but still, I don't believe that even running a stealth grow you couldn't use regular CFL bulbs even though they output more heat.

But yes, good find like I said and likewise, i'm not looking for a pissing contest, just trying to discuss a point. Ps. I don't fancy guys, thanks though.
 
GrumpyToker

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What happens to the lumen output when I pop the cover off the GE bright Stik. I'm sure it's more than the stated amount. Who's winning now. Give it up CFL are dinosaurs. These little socket bulbs are not my thing. I personally run prefer cobs.
Just trying to get info out to people here that they my not have run acrossed. @Airwalker16 was the guy that brought them to my attention.
 
GrumpyToker

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From Wikipedia

CFLs produce less light later in their lives than when they are new. The light output decay is exponential, with the fastest losses being soon after the lamp is first used. By the end of their lives, CFLs can be expected to produce 70–80% of their original light output.[21] The response of the human eye to light is logarithmic. That is, while the human eye is highly sensitive to changes in the intensity of faint light sources, it is less sensitive to changes in the intensity of brighter light sources since the pupils compensate by dilating or constricting.[22] So, presuming the illumination provided by the lamp was ample at the beginning of its life, and the light output of a bulb gradually decreases by 25%, viewers will perceive a much smaller change in light intensity
 
mixchemical

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GrumpyToker said:
What happens to the lumen output when I pop the cover off the GE bright Stik. I'm sure it's more than the stated amount. Who's winning now. Give it up CFL are dinosaurs. These little socket bulbs are not my thing. I personally run prefer cobs.
Just trying to get info out to people here that they my not have run acrossed. @Airwalker16 was the guy that brought them to my attention.
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I can't give up something that i'm not using though.

As I said, numerous times, I argued with the numbers you put forward and modding bulbs, sure, that'll probably change the lumen output but then again, since thats not something stated, you can't really say "well yeah, it'll increase by 25%" that's just guessing.

And sure, the longevity is longer than CFL's, just like LED's are gonna last longer than older types of bulbs.

GrumpyToker said:
From Wikipedia

CFLs produce less light later in their lives than when they are new. The light output decay is exponential, with the fastest losses being soon after the lamp is first used. By the end of their lives, CFLs can be expected to produce 70–80% of their original light output.[21] The response of the human eye to light is logarithmic. That is, while the human eye is highly sensitive to changes in the intensity of faint light sources, it is less sensitive to changes in the intensity of brighter light sources since the pupils compensate by dilating or constricting.[22] So, presuming the illumination provided by the lamp was ample at the beginning of its life, and the light output of a bulb gradually decreases by 25%, viewers will perceive a much smaller change in light intensity
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Yep, you're right. But like I said I was arguing over the numbers and what you stated when presenting them, not wheter the GE bulbs are a better choice, in the LONG run.
 
GrumpyToker

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mixchemical said:
I can't give up something that i'm not using though.

As I said, numerous times, I argued with the numbers you put forward and modding bulbs, sure, that'll probably change the lumen output but then again, since thats not something stated, you can't really say "well yeah, it'll increase by 25%" that's just guessing.

And sure, the longevity is longer than CFL's, just like LED's are gonna last longer than older types of bulbs.



Yep, you're right. But like I said I was arguing over the numbers and what you stated when presenting them, not wheter the GE bulbs are a better choice, in the LONG run.
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Seems like you just like to argue. More lumens per watt, it's that simple. If you remove the lense/cap the lumens will go up I never said by any certain amount. I didn't find these and I use $10 worth just passing on some info that may have been otherwise hidden.

You keep saying I'm right but then you keep running your mouth
 
mixchemical

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GrumpyToker said:
Seems like you just like to argue. More lumens per watt, it's that simple. If you remove the lense/cap the lumens will go up I never said by any certain amount. I didn't find these and I use $10 worth just passing on some info that may have been otherwise hidden.

You keep saying I'm right but then you keep running your mouth
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Because you're contradicting yourself. Yes, the GE lights are more effecient but they don't output the same amount of lumens that's what i'm saying. The only thing you seem to be getting at the effectiveness and yes, the GE bulbs are more effective but you didn't say that if I recall, ever in the replies you made.

You're right when saying it's a better investment in the long run and doing some modding to the GE bulb will increase the lumens gained but that's it. You don't seem to get what i'm saying and that's fine, I would've stopped replying a few posts ago if you would have, though.

Anyways, like I said, good find.
 
BobCajun

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GrumpyToker said:
Not sure how many of you have heard about these GE Bright Stik's. The 60 watt replacement uses 10 watts!

http://m.homedepot.com/p/GE-60W-Equivalent-Daylight-General-Purpose-LED-Bright-Stik-light-bulb-3-Pack-LED10S3-5K-96/205783755

You can find the 60w replacements at Home Depot and the 100w replacements at SAMs club.

The caps on the 60w replacements come off pretty easy just break the three tabs. You'll find 6 led's under there. Two pins hold the LED board on there. I bent the pins slightly in opposite directions to hold the board in place.

They will not degrade over time like CFL and put off very very little heat. 10 watts of LED for each and they are $10 for a three pack

Here's a breakdown of the numbers:
GE bright stik 60 watt replacement lumen output is 760 and uses 10 watts
= 76 lumens per watt

CFL Phillips 60 watt replacement lumen output is 810 and uses 13 watts
= 62 lum per watt

You get more lumens per watt, less heat, no degradation over time and they are affordable
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The Ikea ones may be even better. They're shown in this video. They're only 8w and put out 600 lm though. The LED plate is also unscrewable, in case you might want to see inside there. Apparently the GE ones get incredibly hot too. BTW here's a big daddy Ikea 1800 lm one.

 
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GrumpyToker

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Those look cool and have long been a stable.

Just trying to give the CFL Mercury guys another option. I'm rocking and loving 315 LEC and 3590 Cobs. I don't got much of a horse in the race here.
 
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BobCajun

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RM3 said:
Or ya could get LED lights that designed for growin, there are a bunch of em

I use this for doin seeds

http://www.amazon.com/LKE-E27-Lights-Plants-Greenhouse/dp/B00WJLINDO/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1461188235&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=LKE+E27+led+grow+light+red+blue+led+lights+for+plants+in+garden+greenhouse+15+watt
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Yeah but those are high price. The new GE and Ikea ones are much cheaper than old style. Apparently the Ledare Ikea bulbs are not as good as the newer Ryet line. As this vid shows, the LED plate and the driver just plug into each other. You can easily disassemble it and maybe put the drivers some distance away to keep heat down. You could also screw a bunch of the LED plates to some aluminum heatsink. At $2 each, 100 of them would cover a sq meter for $200. Not very efficient though.

 
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