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Very good info, thank you Al. (And sorry about the hijack; damn noobs!)

Is it possible to run your SoG system with something like the supercloset. I'm liking that unit because it is totally self-contained with seemingly everything it needs to run an op. But how would one implement the SoG using this (or would it be necessary to have two closets then)?

Greatly appreciate your patience with this noob's inquiries.

CN, you'll have to link me on the 'supercloset' as I'm not familiar with it.

I will suggest that many brand-named kits or systems rarely innovate, but rather incorporate technologies and techniques that can be much more cheaply replicated from common sources. Even Omega is just a glorified SoG flood & drain system, if you see what I mean.

Someone postulated a few posts back whether Omegas could be used with my plant flow organisation, so I gave it a think. You would need 4 independent Omegas, one for each 2 week phase, just as I use 4 flood trays and an individual tank for each. Plant height differences would create problems if trying to introduce a batch of new clones every 2 weeks in the same Omega. Naturally, the older plants would shade the new clones and cause a few different problems from stretch to powdery mildew on the younguns. Also, I use a PK additive for 1 week only for plants in wk3. If all plants are sharing the same nute tank, this isn't possible without dosing all the other plants.

I'm just posting because to keep an eye on this thread because it won't let me subscribe to it. Very informative Fuct. appreciate it

hmm nice .. iu kno i said tat before . but .. how many mothers u have and how often u take clones and how many? lol .. sorry bout the 21 querstions just wondeirng is all.

skunkman98536 said:

hmm nice .. iu kno i said tat before . but .. how many mothers u have and how often u take clones and how many? lol .. sorry bout the 21 querstions just wondeirng is all.

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All answers exist in this thread.

I have 8-10 mums and cut 30 clones every 2 weeks.

fuct, have you tried other methods of growing and settled on sog? it seems interesting but also a lot of space and work.

SoG seems to be the way to fly considering cost/time and output (specifically for a one man show). Thanks for all the great info and very informative thread - I'll be following your model and post a journal or such once it's in action.

Much appreciation Al B!

denverm4x said:

fuct, have you tried other methods of growing and settled on sog? it seems interesting but also a lot of space and work.

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No, this all just came to me one night in a dream and I decided it was the best thing that has ever happened to cannabis.

Of course I have tried other methods... what you're looking in this thread is the end of about 10 years of R&D, otherwise known as T&E (trial & error).

My first op was a drip in pellets, there was an aero setup for a while, did NFT for a spell- but all my ops have been rotating harvest SoG, with multiple independent watering systems. I settled on a flood system for watering due to the dead-nuts-reliability. I've settled on SoG in floods for ease of operation, high reliability and low fiddliness factor.

A lot of space and work, you say- but compared to what?

Simple as this, SoG is the most productive per sq ft, lowest labour input indoor growing method you can use for cannabis. If that sounds like a big claim, it is- and it's accurate. SoG gives you ONLY top colas- the most potent, heaviest, most dense and easiest to manicure buds you can get from a cannabis plant.

Al. B Fuct you are the man.

ClumsyNinja said:

SoG seems to be the way to fly considering cost/time and output (specifically for a one man show).

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SoG is also the very best exploitation of indoor-lighted floorspace. Remember, my entire op fits in an 8' x 9' footprint and is presently making about 23oz every 2 wks with a pair of 1000s. You will be very hard pressed to find a non-SoG method which makes that kind of buddage per sq ft. If you DO find it, let me know, OK?

ClumsyNinja said:

Thanks for all the great info and very informative thread - I'll be following your model and post a journal or such once it's in action.

Much appreciation Al B!

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Dubbuh said:

Al. B Fuct you are the man.

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Thanks, folks.

However, I'm not in any way gifted nor even an especially talented plant grower. No magic happens in my op. Absolutely anyone should be able to replicate my op or just incorporate some of the main features to improve production. If you do what I do, you should get what I get.

Hey, YOU are the shit!!! Thanks for all your R&D and especially your T&E that we may enjoy and benefit!!

Al B. Fuct said:

No, this all just came to me one night in a dream and I decided it was the best thing that has ever happened to cannabis.

Of course I have tried other methods... what you're looking in this thread is the end of about 10 years of R&D, otherwise known as T&E (trial & error).

My first op was a drip in pellets, there was an aero setup for a while, did NFT for a spell- but all my ops have been rotating harvest SoG, with multiple independent watering systems. I settled on a flood system for watering due to the dead-nuts-reliability. I've settled on SoG in floods for ease of operation, high reliability and low fiddliness factor.

A lot of space and work, you say- but compared to what?

Simple as this, SoG is the most productive per sq ft, lowest labour input indoor growing method you can use for cannabis. If that sounds like a big claim, it is- and it's accurate. SoG gives you ONLY top colas- the most potent, heaviest, most dense and easiest to manicure buds you can get from a cannabis plant.

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damn you could sell me anything! like that billy mays dude who yells all the time about things being 19.95. man that sounds like a sweet deal, i would like to try it although i have never grown before. i was thinking to try screen of green aeroponically. maybe a sea of screen of green!

Hey Al, I really love your system! I hope to get a similar one set up in the next little while. I was just wondering what your electricity bill looks like. With close to 3000w going strong, it mustn't be cheap!
Cheers man.

happygrow said:

Hey, YOU are the shit!!! Thanks for all your R&D and especially your T&E that we may enjoy and benefit!!

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No worries... but I gotta tell you, modern slang just isn't as romantic as it used to be. If being "the shit" is a GOOD thing, I sure don't wanna be bad.

denverm4x said:

damn you could sell me anything! like that billy mays dude who yells all the time about things being 19.95. man that sounds like a sweet deal, i would like to try it although i have never grown before. i was thinking to try screen of green aeroponically. maybe a sea of screen of green!

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Hey, I learned everything I know from late-night TV used car salesmen.

fiona said:

Hey Al, I really love your system! I hope to get a similar one set up in the next little while. I was just wondering what your electricity bill looks like. With close to 3000w going strong, it mustn't be cheap!

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Thanks, fiona. Your estimate is pretty close. My op draws 3543 watts with everything running; that includes 2kW of HPS flowering lights which run only 12 hours per day. Yes, it's not an insubstantial expense, but my power bills are not out of line with a place with a pool or a spa- I have a neighbour with a swimming pool whose bills are actually good bit larger than mine.

To cut my total power cost, I have concentrated on improving efficiency of other electricity use around here; have replaced all incandescent lighting (except those which need dimmers) with CFLs and also installed solar water heat. The solar water heating cut ~$250 per quarter off my bill. My bill is now actually slightly less than it was before switching on the op. I can only conclude that the power cost of my op is less than $250 per 3 mos. A total bargain when you consider that's well under the cost of buying a single oz, which I'd pretty easily smoke in a week.

Al B. Fuct said:

To cut my total power cost, I have concentrated on improving efficiency of other electricity use around here; have replaced all incandescent lighting (except those which need dimmers) with CFLs and also installed solar water heat. The solar water heating cut ~$250 per quarter off my bill. My bill is now actually slightly less than it was before switching on the op. I can only conclude that the power cost of my op is less than $250 per 3 mos. A total bargain when you consider that's well under the cost of buying a single oz, which I'd pretty easily smoke in a week.

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damn, so you are saying you are paying less than before all this? somewhat confusing wording, how much do you pay a month?

Sorry for the confusion. I indended to convey that while the grow op certainly increased the power bill, I was able to more than offset that increase by installing solar water heat and CFL household lighting.

My actual power bill total is classified info, sorry.

You can work out what you will pay by multiplying the kilowatt-hour (kWh) rate on your power bill by the power consumption of your gear; should be about 12-15c/kWh. Check your bill for your rate.

A 1000W (1kW) load running for 1 hour is 1 kWh, as is a 500W (0.5kW) load running for two hours, see?

Al B. Fuct said:

Sorry for the confusion. I indended to convey that while the grow op certainly increased the power bill, I was able to more than offset that increase by installing solar water heat and CFL household lighting.

My actual power bill total is classified info, sorry.

You can work out what you will pay by multiplying the kilowatt-hour (kWh) rate on your power bill by the power consumption of your gear; should be about 12-15c/kWh. Check your bill for your rate.

A 1000W (1kW) load running for 1 hour is 1 kWh, as is a 500W (0.5kW) load running for two hours, see?

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haha i guess the next question would be what kind/model of solar did you get? i know those can be expensive as hell, more of an investment. sorry to pry, just interesting good to know stuff

I doubt I could get away with that level of energy usage in an apartment. I wonder what kind of yield, or surface coverage I could expect with one 1000 watter and a light mover?

fiona said:

I doubt I could get away with that level of energy usage in an apartment. I wonder what kind of yield, or surface coverage I could expect with one 1000 watter and a light mover?

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I am not sure but I do not think anyone should be trying a grow op in an apartment. Bad news from what I have heard. Maybe like one or two stashed plants...

You think it's easy to bet busted, is that why?