Girls didn't look like this when I was in jr high..

tnrtinr

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Stop blaming hormones in meat. Injectible hormones in animals do not assimilate into humans via the digestive tract.

People are fatter younger than they were in previous generations.

Carrying bodyfat makes girls enter puberty sooner; lack of bodyfat delays puburty (think of gymnast that are in their 20's and havent hit puberty yet. Breasts are mostly fat - really skinny chicks with NATURAL huge tits are RARE.

The fact that we are fatter as a nation is what is causing this "development"
 

OregonMeds

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excellent article...covers a lot of basics about prevention/protection from exposure to estrogenic compounds in the environment. protect ur masculinity guys, and protect yourself from premature development girls:


http://www.annlouise.com/news-press/news-archives/find-hormonal-harmony-counteract-xenoestrogens-natu.html

Find Hormonal Harmony & Counteract Xenoestrogens Naturally | Print | E-mail Better Nutrition, Lisa Turner
May 01, 2009


Here’s the bad news:

Environmental hormones called xenoestrogens lurk in items you use and consume every day. But looking on the bright side, there are strategies and supplements that can help shield you from their harmful effects. We’ve been fighting for years against nasty ingredients in our foods—voiding trans fats, spurning high-fructose corn syrup, steering dear of pesticides in our produce and antibiotics in our meat. Now we’re facing the most serious battle yet, against insidious toxins in our food that haven’t been measured or quantified; in many cases, they can’t be avoided.

These toxins, collectively called endocrine disruptors, are present in nearly every aspect of our environment—not only food, but also personal care products and household goods. Endocrine disruptors are a broad category of chemicals that interfere with the normal functioning of the endocrine system and can create imbalances throughout the body, particularly in the thyroid, reproductive, and adrenal systems. More than 50 different chemicals—found in herbicides, pesticides, fertilizers, plastics, food preservatives, personal care products, meat and dairy, and more—are known 5 to act as endocrine disruptors, says Ann Louise Gittleman, PhD, CNS, author of Before the Change: Taking Charge of Your Perimenopause.

What Are Xenoestrogens?

Xenoestrogens, one of the more troubling types of endocrine disruptors, mimic estrogens and attach to the body’s estrogen-receptor sites, in both women and men-These xenoestrogens interfere with hormonal signaling and are believed to cause an increased risk of breast, prostate, and reproductive cancers; reduced fertility; early puberty in children; menstrual irregularities; endometriosis; and other disorders. A new area of research is now pointing to the obesogenic effects of xenoestrogens and other endocrine disruptors: chemicals that disrupt our hormones are also making us fat, says Bruce Blumberg, PhD, professor of developmental and cell biology at the University of California, Irvine.

Here’s more bad news: many studies suggest that the most sensitive stage of the life cycle is during embryonic development, says Blumberg. In other words, if your mother smoked cigarettes, ate pesticide-laden foods, and used chemical cleaning agents while she was pregnant with you, it may have affected aspects of your development to some degree; these can lead to permanent changes in your body.

That’s not to say the die is cast. You can’t change your past, but you can change your future. Here’s how. Eliminate! A Whole-House Guide to Xenoestrogens We thought if we kept the Tupperware out of the microwave and used only natural deodorants, we were safe from xenoestrogens. Boy, were we wrong! These toxic compounds are everywhere. Here’s your room-by-room rundown for eliminating xenoestrogens, starting with the kitchen:

THE PANTRY

Start with your food shelves. Most processed food contains some kind of undesirable material, says Blumberg, either in the packaging itself or the ingredients. Canned foods are usually packed in cans lined with plastic coating that contains bisphenol A (BPA) a xenoestrogen. According to an Environmental Working Group (EWG) study, chicken soup, infant formula, and ravioli had BPA levels so high that just one to three servings could expose a woman or child to BPA at levels that caused serious adverse effects in animal tests. Cut back on processed and packaged foods in general, and choose packaged goods in glass or paper containers. Buy grains, nuts, dried fruits, and beans in hulk, and store in glass or stainless steel containers.

THE REFRIGERATOR

Are your milk and burgers organic? If not, they may contain synthetic estrogens, which are used to make cattle grow bigger faster and to increase their milk production. Pesticides on the food the animal eats may also contain xenoestrogens, which can be concentrated in the animal’s fat, flesh, and milk Produce should also be organically grown; anything that’s not may contain insecticide or pesticide residues, which can have estrogenic effects, says Blumberg. Buy only organic meat, dairy and produce, locally whenever possible. If you can’t buy all your produce organic, check the EWG’s Dirty Dozen list of the most contaminated varieties of fruits and vegetables at foodnews.org and choose low-fat meat and dairy products HDPL and LDPE (high- and low-density polyethylene) plastics, Nos. 2 and 4 respectively, are hard plastics that are used to make milk jugs and some water bottles. These plastics are generally safe and do not react with the contents of the container.

COOKING AND PLASTICS

You may already know not to heat food in a plastic container since heating some plastics can cause xenoestrogens to leach out of the container and into the food. But did you know Styrofoam
containers contain BPA and that drinking coffee out of a Styrofoam cup causes the BPA to leach out? The moral: never microwave food in anything other than a glass container or on a paper towel. Another source of
xenoestrogens comes from Teflon-coated nonstick pans, which if overheated can release endocrine-disrupting perfluoroal~l compounds, says Blumberg.

FOOD-STORAGE CONTAINERS

Trash your Tupperware and replace it with glass or stainless steel food-storage containers. Or stash food in small glass or metal bowls covered with a saucer. Some plastic cling wrap is made from PVC (polyvinyl chloride), which contains several types of xenoestrogens and other endocrine disruptors, says Blumberg, PVC can leach out, and should never touch food. If possible, buy your 2 (organic) cheese cut to order from the deli, and have it wrapped in plain, uncoated paper; most butchers’ paper has a shiny, waterproof PVC coating. Otherwise, shave off any parts that have touched cling wrap, and store the cheese in a glass container or wrapped in paper.

THE KITCHEN SINK

Tap water can contain xenoestrogens from medications and agricultural and chemical pollution. Bottled water isn’t always a good solution, since it’s usually packaged in flexible plastic that contains phthalates, known endocrine disruptors. Most bottled water is sold in No. I, (PET or polyethylene terephthalate) plastic containers. However, FIDPE and LDPE plastics are safe for drinking water. If you’re refilling your hard plastic water bottles at the grocery store, they’re probably made of polycarbonate (No. 7), which contains BPA, says Blumberg. Best solution: buy a high-quality activated carbon water filter, and if you must store your water use glass bottles.

THE BATHROOM CABINETS

Sadly, one of the most effective ways to absorb xenoestrogens is via the skin. Lotions, creams, makeup foundations, nail polish, deodorants, and other personal care products may contain xenoestrogens in the form of parabens, phthalates, and other compounds. Use only personal care products and nail polishes that are clearly marked "paraben free.” And if you’re using nonoxynol-9 spermicide as your birth control method, find a more natural method; nonoxynol-9 breaks down in the body into xenoestrogenic nonylphenols.

THE BATHROOM SINK

Your toothbrush and bathroom cup are probably made of plastic. As long as you’re not eating the toothbrush handle, you’re OK. But ditch the cup unless it is No. 2 or 4 plastic, and use a glass or stainless steel one instead. As for toothpaste, it may contain parabens and other xenoestrogens. And the soap or gel you’re using to wash your hands and face? You guessed it. Buy chemical-free versions of both.

THE SHOWER

Guess what? Your shower curtain is probably lined with flexible vinyl that contains phthalates, and may contain mercury, dioxins, and lead. Shampoos and conditioners usually contain parabens and other xenoestrogens; a few are made with added estrogen. Use cloth shower curtains or a sliding glass door, and check ingredients on hair care products.

THE BABY’S ROOM

Children are the most sensitive to xenoestrogens and other endocrine disruptors; sadly, any room belonging to children may be filled with xenoestrogens. Baby bottles can be made of rigid No. 7 plastic that contains bisphenol-A. Flexible plastic bottle liners should be made from No.4 LDPE plastic. Many plastic toys contain phthalates, and flame retardants used in children’s clothing are xenoestrogens, says Blumberg. If you do not know what type of plastic it is, don’t give it to a child who may put it in her mouth. Consider buying wooden, fabric, paper, and metal games and toys.

THE LAUNDRY ROOM

Dryer sheets are loaded with xenoestrogens that permeate clothing and come into direct prolonged contact with the skin. Same goes for laundry detergent. Buy only the chemical-free varieties. Skip the dryer sheets altogether, and use natural liquid fabric softener in the rinse cycle. Or try adding 1/2 cup of baking soda to the rinse cycle for softer laundry.

THE BACKYARD

Home lawn care products such as pesticides and weed killers may act as xenoestrogens. In one study, atrazine, a commonly used weed killer, affected animals at doses as small as 0.1 parts per billion. Use the natural versions, or learn to live with weeds.

Fight Back with Nutrition

No matter how diligent you are in removing xenoestrogens from your home, you’ll still encounter them in the outside world. Meanwhile, you’ve certainly been exposed to xenoestrogens sometime in your life. The task, then, is to protect the body from their harmful effects. Certain foods and herbs can shield estrogen receptor sites so xenoestrogens can’t attach, help the body metabolize and excrete armful estrogen, and protect the body from xenoestrogen damage, says Jillian Michaels, a trainer for television’s The Biggest Loser and author of Master Your Metabolism. Some of the best: BROCCOLI, CABBAGE, KALE, BRUSSELS SPROUTS, AND OTHER CRUCIFERS are rich in indole-3-carbinol (13C), which the body converts to diindolylmethane (DIM), says Shari Lieberman, PhD, CNS. DIM then induces certain enzymes in the liver to block the production of the toxic estrogens and step up the production of the beneficial forms. The best way to eat them is lightly steamed to protect 13C levels or, better yet, pickled: some studies have attributed the low rates of breast cancer in Polish women to their high daily consumption of sauerkraut. Crucifers are also high in sulforaphane, a powerful breast-cancer inhibitor. Best protection: add steamed broccoli to salads; roast cauliflower and Brussels sprouts in olive oil; try sauerkraut or kimchee, a spicy fermented cabbage. Supplements of 13C are available at health food stores; a typical dosage is 150—300 mg per day.

FLAX is the richest source of secoisolariciresinol diglycoside (SDG), a compound that the body converts into lignans, says Michaels. Lignans are phytoestrogens and help balance the body’s estrogen levels by
binding to the same estrogen receptor sites that xenoestrogens do. When a receptor site is already occupied by a phytoestrogen, xenoestrogens can’t attach to it. However, phytoestrogens may not stimulate the receptor causing a lower estrogenic effect. Lignans appear to be especially protective against breast cancer. One study found that women with the highest amount of dietary lignans had a 17 percent lower risk of developing breast cancer. Best protection: sprinkle ground flaxseeds over yogurt, add them to smoothies, stir them into cooked whole grains.

LENTILS are high in soluble fiber, which works as an estrogen-disposal system, says Michaels. Estrogen and xenoestrogens are normally pulled from the bloodstream by the liver and moved to the intestines. In the intestines, fiber soaks up estrogen like a sponge and removes it from the body with other waste. Other foods high in soluble fiber include apples, barley beans, psyllium, and oat bran. Best protection: eat lentils with curry (it contains extra-protective curcumin), sprinkle oat bran over cereal, serve barley with cooked beans.

POMEGRANATE can help block estrogenic activity by as much as 80 percent, says Michaels, and help prevent several types of breast cancer cells from multiplying; another study found similar effects on prostate cancer cells. Best protection: add pomegranate juice to green tea, scatter pomegranate seeds over salads, or add them to yogurt.

SOY contains phytoestrogens called isoflavones, compounds that mimic estrogen, but in a weaker form. These weaker estrogens then block the receptor sites so xenoestrogens can’t attach, says Michaels, They don’t accumulate in the body like xenoestrogens, and they’re metabolized more quickly. Soy is a double-edged sword, however, says Gittleman. Some studies have suggested that high concentrations of soy isoflavones contribute to breast cancer. In addition, soy isoflavones can disrupt normal thyroid hormone function. Eat soy in moderation, avoid concentrated soy products, such as protein powders, bars, and soymilk, and check with your doctor about soy consumption if you’re at high risk for prostate, breast, or uterine cancer. Best protection: add edamame to salads, crumble cooked tempeh over brown rice, and stir miso into soups.


I never buy organic anything, eat a ton of the absolute worst junk food, steak, fry most of my foods in oil, drink hormone filled milk and sugar loaded cereals and smoke a pack a day and toke 24/7 and I don't get any exercise and I'm exposed to a lot of chemicals and dust particles and paints and other bad materials in my hobbies but now you list 100 other things that I didn't even know I was also doing wrong.

I knew I had room for improvement to say the least but no way could I go to all those lengths you list to try to be healthy.
 

greengrowthexpert

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My buddy is 19. His girlfriend is 18, Her body matches her so well. I never say anything around my wife or she'd kill me, But I'd fuck the piss out of her! xD
 

IAm5toned

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I never buy organic anything, eat a ton of the absolute worst junk food, steak, fry most of my foods in oil, drink hormone filled milk and sugar loaded cereals and smoke a pack a day and toke 24/7 and I don't get any exercise and I'm exposed to a lot of chemicals and dust particles and paints and other bad materials in my hobbies but now you list 100 other things that I didn't even know I was also doing wrong.
lol same here...

My buddy is 19. His girlfriend is 18, Her body matches her so well. I never say anything around my wife or she'd kill me, But I'd fuck the piss out of her! xD
rofl guys will be guys...

i think the ladies are definitly blossoming a lil early these days...
 

morgentaler

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The fact that we are fatter as a nation is what is causing this "development"
Research does appear to be leaning that way:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18245513

Kaplowitz PB. Department of Endocrinology, Children's National Medical Center, Washington, DC, USA. pkaplowi@cnmc.org
Several recent studies suggest that the timing of the onset of puberty in girls has become earlier over the past 30 years, and there is strong evidence that the increasing rates of obesity in children over the same time period is a major factor. This article reviews studies from the United States that examined the age of menarche and the age of onset of breast development and pubic hair as a function of body mass index, which is a good surrogate measure of body fat. These studies are nearly all cross-sectional, so many questions remain unanswered. However, at least several studies show that girls who have relatively higher body mass index are more likely to have earlier menses, as well as a relationship between body mass index and other measures of pubertal onset. The evidence published to date suggests that obesity may be causally related to earlier puberty in girls rather than that earlier puberty causes an increase in body fat. In contrast, few studies have found a link between body fat and earlier puberty in boys. A growing body of evidence from both rodent and human studies suggests that leptin may be the critical link between body fat and earlier puberty. Leptin-deficient mice and humans fail to enter puberty unless leptin is administered, and rodent studies indicate that very low levels of leptin stimulate gonadotropin secretion both at the hypothalamic and the pituitary level. Current evidence indicates that leptin appears to play a permissive role rather than act as the critical metabolic signal initiating puberty. The linkage between body fat and the reproductive axis in girls may have evolved in mammals as a mechanism for ensuring that pregnancy will not occur unless there are adequate fat stores to sustain both the mother and the growing fetus.
 

tnrtinr

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Research does appear to be leaning that way:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18245513
Thank you!

Nice to hear another voice in the crowd! kiss-ass

Most people don't understand how hormones / steroids work in the body. Ever wonder why body builders inject testosterone instead of swallowing it? By the logic in the post they would see gains by mixing it with their protein shake; saving them a lot of needles in their ass.
 

grow space

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where i live its crazy as hell-some 13 year old girls have big boobs LOL, bu its ok, we have different laws in here...you have to be 14 to have sex....
sometimes i look a beautiful girl, and i think she is like 18, but actually like 13-14 or sumthing!!!!


This thing is weird, but nice!!!
 
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