giving defoliation during flower a try

Doer

Doer

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Alienwidow said:
right now we are debating weather this is a debate. or according to you we aren't? is that what your saying? this isn't a debate were having to try and prove/disprove if we are actually debating?

cause id figure that if you read the question, pick a side, and then try and convince the other side of your sides point...that you are debating. no?
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You obviously lack the education to understand these distictions though I point them out. And since you don't care about the language, spelling and syntax of ordinary conversation, I don't wonder that you mis-sort the complicated.

Words matter. I will give you more fodder against this silly argument of yours, (from your own link, yet again.) It shows this argument over how wrong you can be, is not rising to the level of debate.

The outcome of a debate depends upon consensus or some formal way of reaching a resolution, rather than the objective facts as such.
 
Alienwidow

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Doer said:
You obviously lack the education to understand these distictions though I point them out. And since you don't care about the language, spelling and syntax of ordinary conversation, I don't wonder that you mis-sort the complicated.

Words matter. I will give you more fodder against this silly argument of yours, (from your own link, yet again.) It shows this argument over how wrong you can be, is not rising to the level of debate.

The outcome of a debate depends upon consensus or some formal way of reaching a resolution, rather than the objective facts as such.
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ok you win the debate. your right, your side makes more sense, we were not debating weather this is a debate or not.
 
UncleBuck

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Doer said:
You obviously lack the education to understand these distictions though I point them out. And since you don't care about the language, spelling and syntax of ordinary conversation, I don't wonder that you mis-sort the complicated.

Words matter. I will give you more fodder against this silly argument of yours, (from your own link, yet again.) It shows this argument over how wrong you can be, is not rising to the level of debate.

The outcome of a debate depends upon consensus or some formal way of reaching a resolution, rather than the objective facts as such.
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*distinctions
 
UncleBuck

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why is the loser who took his ball and went home now spamming RIU when he's not busy telling people to keep their canopies at 92, give the plants an hour of dark in the middle of their light cycle, and other hocus pocus about flushing with boiled water?
 
stankyyank

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UncleBuck said:
why is the loser who took his ball and went home now spamming RIU when he's not busy telling people to keep their canopies at 92, give the plants an hour of dark in the middle of their light cycle, and other hocus pocus about flushing with boiled water?
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I don't know about all the other methods, or whatnot (and not currently interested in what they do or don't do), but regarding the short dark cycle mid light cycle, there has been some research done on what is referred to as 'midday depression'.
Anyway, here's a link for a little info: http://www.nature.com/srep/2014/140317/srep04389/full/srep04389.html
 
UncleBuck

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stankyyank said:
I don't know about all the other methods, or whatnot (and not currently interested in what they do or don't do), but regarding the short dark cycle mid light cycle, there has been some research done on what is referred to as 'midday depression'.
Anyway, here's a link for a little info: http://www.nature.com/srep/2014/140317/srep04389/full/srep04389.html
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midday depression is triggered by heat buildup near the surface. not an issue in climate controlled areas.

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00384944
 
RM3

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Uncle Buck, I'm not sure what your problem with me is? I have never pushed my way on folks and yet I do have a lot of followers. Perhaps it's that I actually verify everything I say and do because members of these forums visit me and smoke my herb and then post on these forums backing up what I say. I have a 20 year grower saying that my Durban and Pineapple Express are the best he has ever smoked. That my strains rearranged his top 10 best ever. I only grow one hitters, my methods give growers the best smoke possible and I'll put my buds up against any. Hell I've had several people tell me my buds are better than Dabs LOL Not to mention, I grow 12 ~ 18 inch dense colas with T5's LOL

Yeah, keep slammin that which you don't understand and I'll keep growin primo herb :bigjoint:
 
keebo3000

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pk_boosted2 said:
Believe what you want i just laid down the information directly from Arjan and Franco quoted from them, and another land race breeder who is well known on the global breeding level. Arjan and franco ar probably the 2 most experiencd land race breeders on the planet and u want to argue w me about what they said!! Proving my point exactly that YOU guys just argue w me about everything and this is fuckin hillarious, this isnt even me talkin im quoting the breeders who are world renowned for land race selectio and breeding from a show they have and produce called strain hunters. So go write arjan a letter n tell him he is a liar and see what he has to say, lmao.

And yes u r right i believe and know from experience dyna gro is BS! I have seen many runs using their nutrients and customers who have thrown the shit in the trash with many problems and terrible results. Some switched to Jr Peters bcuz they r on these forums and someone told em to use the shit and ghey came back and said that side by sides of dyna vs jr peters that strains arent even recognizeable and that JR Peters blows that shit out of the water.

Now with that said ive also had people switch to bio-canna from my recommendations from dyna gro and jr peters and said they would never get off canna again period. High thc, high yields, powerful tastes and aromas. Do what u want i dont give a shit. Im not a cheap penny pincher. This business u spend money to make money. U go cheap u get cheap fuckin results. Every 1$ spent on average is 6-7$ earned back nutrients are vitally important. Ive tried and or run or had my closest associates try and run almost every brand of nutrients available on the market and I stand by and confirm that if u want good results using organics: Bio-Canna and GH General Organics are my #1-2 and synthetic or blend i would use AN jungle juice or connoiseur (if u want ph perfect technology) or use original Canna.

I also dont use lab made synthetic BS like dyna gro in my gardens. That crap is nothing but heavy cheap processed salt very cheap man made nutrients that are not made for cannabis and i will never use that shit in my garden. Been many studies on those nutrients and migraines and headaches they cause as well, including miracle gro since those two companies are damn near same process wise in how they make and blend their nutrients and sources they use in producing their products.

I use only high quality, organic blends very little synethics and i will pay top dollar because after growing for the last decade i know the difference between the two and u pay for what u get, period. U can talk all shit u want i get plenty of pm's and business bcuz i back my work up and know wtf im talking about and dont need a couple trolls on a web site to justify or tell me otherwise.
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My 02. cents, I use age old Grow/bloom 30 bucks a gallon , And I get pretty good results
 
Doer

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RM3 said:
Uncle Buck, I'm not sure what your problem with me is? I have never pushed my way on folks and yet I do have a lot of followers. Perhaps it's that I actually verify everything I say and do because members of these forums visit me and smoke my herb and then post on these forums backing up what I say. I have a 20 year grower saying that my Durban and Pineapple Express are the best he has ever smoked. That my strains rearranged his top 10 best ever. I only grow one hitters, my methods give growers the best smoke possible and I'll put my buds up against any. Hell I've had several people tell me my buds are better than Dabs LOL Not to mention, I grow 12 ~ 18 inch dense colas with T5's LOL

Yeah, keep slammin that which you don't understand and I'll keep growin primo herb :bigjoint:
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His problem is the same as mine. You are taking our RIU as a cult of personality. Who is the best? Who has followers? Who says, who's pot is the best stank dank?

Buck pays State Tax on his operation. Do you? You are posting all these Women Exploited drawings, and being generally content free, and you take this opportunity to brag on yourself. So, there are a few problems....with you. Buck is just doing his job, to press us all to be REAL.
 
Doer

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stankyyank said:
I don't know about all the other methods, or whatnot (and not currently interested in what they do or don't do), but regarding the short dark cycle mid light cycle, there has been some research done on what is referred to as 'midday depression'.
Anyway, here's a link for a little info: http://www.nature.com/srep/2014/140317/srep04389/full/srep04389.html
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A little know, is no know at all. :) This research says the opposite of your conclusion.

It goes like this. We know solar max is in the afternoon. And that is the sad part about, these "followers cults."
They take a known fact and start thinking. So, <duh> solar max in the afternoon, but research says the plant adapts to that, BY LOWERING PHOTOSYNTHESIS. They don't get that, so they say "midday depression?" And the followers go, Hey depression, poor girl, let's take ALL THE LIGHT AWAY.

I read this article, and I really and truly appreciate you posting the Science from a real Journal such as Nature.
But, all this article does is further prove the fact that plants, like a lot of things adapt to the heavy sunlight of solar max and our job is again, to just get out of the way of Nature.
 
Doer

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It is funny to me that the Followers' conclusion was not that we need EXTRA LIGHT in the afternoon. That was my first thought. :) And then I realized in the next second, we are talking about Solar max, not a few thousand or less watts indoors.

So, to me the article suggests at first, we need extra Solar power in the afternoon for outdoor growing....cool trick, but we can't have that. And this is the kicker. The plant would just adapt to the extra light by LOWERING photosynthesis even more. The landrace strains in Hindu Kush, love it at 14,000 feet. 2x solar power up there and they simply adapted. We say you can't fool Mother Nature.

And Mother Nature fools us everyday.
 
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