Going organic ?'s

RottenRoots

Active Member

• Sep 12, 2012

• #1

So I've been reading up on beneficial microbes and mycorrhizae and how much it contributes to a plant. If you use a microbe brew and mycorrhizae, do you use any organic fertilizers or do you just feed your microbes and rely on them to feed your plants?

-Rotten

 

Gonenowhere

Active Member

• Sep 12, 2012

• #2

You really only need to flush if you are using chemical fertilizers from what I have heard. If you are truly 100% organic there should be no need to flush because organic growing is all about growing the beneficial bacteria/fungi and flushing may harm them I am sure. I also heard you probably are not organic if the products you buy are closed because this kills off most of the microbes. I would definitely take a look at the organics forum and read all of the stickies.

 

RottenRoots

Active Member

• Sep 12, 2012

• #3

Good idea bro ill be doing that

 

eDude

Well-Known Member

• Sep 12, 2012

• #4

Gonenowhere said:

You really only need to flush if you are using chemical fertilizers from what I have heard. If you are truly 100% organic there should be no need to flush because organic growing is all about growing the beneficial bacteria/fungi and flushing may harm them I am sure. I also heard you probably are not organic if the products you buy are closed because this kills off most of the microbes. I would definitely take a look at the organics forum and read all of the stickies.

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Flushing is another topic. Some people say you need it and some don't. I do flush.

In organics.. the beneficials are breaking down the organic material so that the plant can absorb them. This is like the bacteria in your intestines. They break down the foods for the plants. Pure mineral salts are predigested for the plant, in away, and do not need this action to take place they go straight to the plant.

You still need the organic food. The benficials are just part of the crew. One with out the other will not work.

 

dank smoker420

Well-Known Member

• Sep 12, 2012

• #5

with how i grow organiclly is i have a good amended soil with lots of nutrients for flowering since i grow 12/12 and transplant right before they start to flower. i than add a simple compost tea of EWC, ancient forest compost, kelp juice and molasses. i will soon move to just EWC as i am making my own and they should have a good amount of microbes. idk if all plant but some plant release a root sap to attract microbes that will help bring the plant nutrients as the plant feeds the microbes.

 

eDude

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• Sep 12, 2012

• #6

dank smoker420 said:

idk if all plant but some plant release a root sap to attract microbes that will help bring the plant nutrients as the plant feeds the microbes.

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This is true, the plant will reward the fungi with carbohydrates. This is why people use soil sweeteners like molasses. This feeds the fungi and in turn they feed the plant. This is what they are talking about when they use phrases like "symbiotic relationship" One feeds the other and vise versa.

 

RottenRoots

Active Member

• Sep 12, 2012

• #7

Thanks for helping me understand organics a little better guys! +rep I was looking into some nute lines and humboldt organics looks like a good choice for the price. I want to make my own microbe brew but can't find much info about it. If anyone could give me a link or some good info on that I'd appreciate it.

 

eDude

Well-Known Member

• Sep 12, 2012

• #8

it's a tough one to do correctly.. It's a bit of an art.

Google the Soil Food Web and you'll get a lot of info. There is just as much info about brews as there is about MJ if not more. Serious stuff.

If you want to go ape shit like a friend of mine, go take classes from this lady. She wrote most of the books or is sited in them.

http://www.rodaleinstitute.org/ingham

 

RottenRoots

Active Member

• Sep 12, 2012

• #9

Oh good shit man thanks for the post, now I must decide on a nutrient line and how I'm going to make my brew, have been reading a lot on the veganics or vegan organics and it seems interesting. Might try out BioCanna's nut line and maybe their soil as well, saw some great results.

 

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HanginIron

Active Member

• Sep 16, 2012

• #10

If you really want to get seriously into organics check out the Rodale Ins. like eDude said. Also look up The Compost Tea Brewing Manual by Elaine Ingham. She has a Phd in this stuff, I was able to find a free download on pdf. And buy Teaming with Microbes. It is fascinating and will definitely enlighten you. Think I paid $16 for a copy.