Going Organic

RottenRoots

RottenRoots

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I have decided to put aside my chemical nutrients and go organic after this grow. Have been doing quite a bit of research and am developing a list of things I will need. So far the things I will be using are:

Roots Organic
RO water (Will Ph up and down mess with microbial activity?)
Myco Madness
Hygrozyme
Microbe Brew (from my own compost)
18 gal container pots


Should I add something to my soil?
Do any of you use a nute line in organics?
What would you guys recommend?

P.S.
Trying to be 100% organic tired of Ph correcting, nute lockouts, etc.
Any help is appreciated.

-Rotten
 
Sounds like your still holding onto the synthetic way of doing things or the hydro store employee still has you by the balls. Let go man. Forget the hydro store and the cannabis products they sell. Throw that superthrive in the trash. You don't need that stuff.

Go back to the basics. Think roses, tulips, corn, and tomatoes. What works for them works for cannabis. Browse around the GardenWeb forums. Talk to real gardeners and see what they use. Invest in automated watering systems like drip irrigation or soaker hoses and a simple digital timer.
 
Vindicated said:
Sounds like your still holding onto the synthetic way of doing things.
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Only because I'm in the middle of my grow and don't feel like starting over right now. If you could have answered one of the four questions i asked above that would have been most helpful. thanks the post though man. will do some more research.
 
true organics is cheap. rabbit shit, bone meal, etc. start a worm farm and compost bin, if ya can. i don't pay for nutes, just some amendments.
 
Sounds like the stuff I was thinking of. I have a compost pile I started a few days ago. I would like to figure out two soil mixes using roots organic as the base, 1 for veg and 1 for flower. I know what nutrients MJ needs in both stages but I don't know the ratio's of what to mix into the soil. Like 1 cup of worm castings to 5 gallons of soil for example. Where could I find some good soil recipes? Does the soil have to cook after mixing as well?
 
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Anyway, I think I'm going to make it easy and just use sub's super soil with some compost tea.
Thanks for all the replies appreciate it.
 
Over the years I've been trying to figure out what works the best. I've always had plants in containers that were feed synthetics, plants in the ground that were fertilized, and plants in raised beds that didn't need anything. I've tried dozens of synthetic nutrients and organic fertilizers. Many different brands of potting soils. And I'm now convinced that raised beds using fresh soil from the compost bin or free soil from the city landfill is the best. It's free, it works as good as any commercial product out there, and its friendly to the environment.

When you can't get it for free, buying inexpensive organic potting soil is the next best thing. If for some silly reason you can't build a raised bed, you can go into the ground. However, before doing that you want to first test your native soil to see what it actually needs. Then till and amend your soil with a 'base' as you call it, that suits your individual land's needs.

Now if your growing in containers it's even trickier. You don't want fertilizers that need to sit for a year before they're ready. You want something that's going to feed your plants right when they've used up all the nutrients in the soil. If you got a tiny pot, that can happen pretty quickly. As you can probably tell, the size of your container is going to dictate what fertilizers you can use. If you need rapid absorption, then organics might not be what your really looking for. That's the domain of hydroponics and synthetic nutrients.
 
if you are just going to be using water with no nutrients in it you will need a nutrient rich soil or your plants will be hungry.
 
I use the General Organics line. I started with the GO box which has all of their nutrients and I follow the schedule on the box. I'm now buying the bigger bottles individually as I need them. The only variation is that I also add 1/4 tsp of epsom salt per gallon. I'm using coco instead of soil. I know this isn't really full-blown organic to some people, but I'm getting great results and I haven't touched a PH pen in months! I am using RO water too because my tap water is crap.

In my first coco grow, I used 25% perlite and added some ammendments like blood meal, bone meal, etc for most of the plants. This was a pain to mix up and didn't do any better than 100% coco with no ammendments. I use Cocotek coco that comes in a big, dry block. Very convenient for indoor growing because you just expand the coco as you need it and leave the rest compressed in storage.
 
Thanks for all the information guys. I have figured out I mix and amendments I will be using but since I use R/O water I will need some kind of powdered cal/mag or an organic soluble cal/mag. Anyone use one of the two? If so what could I use?

I have heard people using Cal/mag + with pretty good results, would like a 2nd a opinion on it first.
 
I use the GO calmag when i need it but if you're using subs SS you will only need to give it a couple times if that. At least that is what I've been told!
 
Vindicated said:
Over the years I've been trying to figure out what works the best. I've always had plants in containers that were feed synthetics, plants in the ground that were fertilized, and plants in raised beds that didn't need anything. I've tried dozens of synthetic nutrients and organic fertilizers. Many different brands of potting soils. And I'm now convinced that raised beds using fresh soil from the compost bin or free soil from the city landfill is the best. It's free, it works as good as any commercial product out there, and its friendly to the environment.

When you can't get it for free, buying inexpensive organic potting soil is the next best thing. If for some silly reason you can't build a raised bed, you can go into the ground. However, before doing that you want to first test your native soil to see what it actually needs. Then till and amend your soil with a 'base' as you call it, that suits your individual land's needs.

Now if your growing in containers it's even trickier. You don't want fertilizers that need to sit for a year before they're ready. You want something that's going to feed your plants right when they've used up all the nutrients in the soil. If you got a tiny pot, that can happen pretty quickly. As you can probably tell, the size of your container is going to dictate what fertilizers you can use. If you need rapid absorption, then organics might not be what your really looking for. That's the domain of hydroponics and synthetic nutrients.
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There's actually a sanitary landfill maybe 10 minutes from my place, I wonder if they have free compost/soil? Might look into this thanks man +rep
 
dabumps said:
I use the GO calmag when i need it but if you're using subs SS you will only need to give it a couple times if that. At least that is what I've been told!
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Was thinking about using an amendment like oyster shell flout but I heard this raises alkalinity in soil?

GO ca/mg+ is the same product I was talking about. Maybe you could use a very little amount every watering?
 
I'm just in it for the microbes, I'm sure the SS mix will have plenty nutes for my ladies.
I have heard of cal mag deficiencies while using RO water with SS though, this is why I ask.
 
If you are trying to go all organic grow like Subcool with his supersoil method take your Roots soil and use amendments to make his supersoil that requires nothing but pH balanced water. But after watching The Weed Nerd on Youtube I learned that he uses Cutting Edge Solutions Sugaree as a carbohydrate source. You could use any sweetener though like AN's Bud Candy or Botanicare's Sweet and Hygrozme just makes everything better. About balancing your pH organically you can use Hygrozyme as a pH down and Dyna Gro's Pro Tekt or Botanicare's Silica Blast as a pH up.
 
Thanks for the reply whiterooster. My ro water comes out at 7.4 and because its organics i dont think i will need to ph my water. Afyer all the research i have noticed more people having ph problems in organics that use ph up and down, and because i dont want to mess with microbial activity i think my water should me fine.
 
RottenRoots said:
Sounds like the stuff I was thinking of. I have a compost pile I started a few days ago. I would like to figure out two soil mixes using roots organic as the base, 1 for veg and 1 for flower. I know what nutrients MJ needs in both stages but I don't know the ratio's of what to mix into the soil. Like 1 cup of worm castings to 5 gallons of soil for example. Where could I find some good soil recipes? Does the soil have to cook after mixing as well?
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some neutral grower's mix, perlite, lime, manure, and minerals. there is a recipe in my sig, but i just mix peat, perlite, and poop 1:1:1, and add minerals. i use a lot of Sub's ingredients for SS, but don't make it as super. then i top-dress for flower.
 
RottenRoots said:
I have decided to put aside my chemical nutrients and go organic after this grow. Have been doing quite a bit of research and am developing a list of things I will need. So far the things I will be using are:

Roots Organic
RO water (Will Ph up and down mess with microbial activity?)
Myco Madness
Hygrozyme
Microbe Brew (from my own compost)
18 gal container pots


Should I add something to my soil?
Do any of you use a nute line in organics?
What would you guys recommend?

P.S.
Trying to be 100% organic tired of Ph correcting, nute lockouts, etc.
Any help is appreciated.

-Rotten
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I think Earth Juice has organic Ph Up & Ph Down. I saw it at a local hydro shop,
 
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