Going wide and shallow

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The one in the box is haze and the one in the bag is gorilla glue. The box is 5'x5' x12" the bag is 6' x 18'". I wanted to see what would happen if they were forced to go wide not down. There's about 10inches of soil in the box and the bottom is open it's sitting on red clay no hole was dug, the bag has a bottom and has about 14" of soil both are full of roots all the way to the sides and at the surface. They get top dressed once a week with a mix of bat guano, castings etc. there is a thin layer of alfalfa on the surface. so far they are the biggest girls in the garden have to wait and see if they produce as well as the others.
 

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backtracker said:
The one in the box is haze and the one in the bag is gorilla glue. The box is 5'x5' x12" the bag is 6' x 18'". I wanted to see what would happen if they were forced to go wide not down. There's about 10inches of soil in the box and the bottom is open it's sitting on red clay no hole was dug, the bag has a bottom and has about 14" of soil both are full of roots all the way to the sides and at the surface. They get top dressed once a week with a mix of bat guano, castings etc. there is a thin layer of alfalfa on the surface. so far they are the biggest girls in the garden have to wait and see if they produce as well as the others.
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im curious about that also i used 30 gallon grow bags here in coastal maine and they are getting big and tall i was wondering about a shorter wider bag for future i used 45 gallon smart pots last season and plants where smaller but season was alot worse this season has been great here for weather these are 8 ball kush and church ya plants look great btw
 
They are looking great. I dug one kiddie pool sized hole this year, five foot across and one foot deep. That was my biggest plant. Next year I may use the actual kiddie pools. {they are $4.88 at Walmart at end of the season} I use them for mixing my soil. They hold 40 gallons of soil. 45 if you really fill them to the top.
 
Larry {the} Gardener said:
They are looking great. I dug one kiddie pool sized hole this year, five foot across and one foot deep. That was my biggest plant. Next year I may use the actual kiddie pools. {they are $4.88 at Walmart at end of the season} I use them for mixing my soil. They hold 40 gallons of soil. 45 if you really fill them to the top.
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that's a good idea cut the bottom out for drainage, the sides on the bags get floppy and fall into the pot making it a pain to water.
 
Larry {the} Gardener said:
They are looking great. I dug one kiddie pool sized hole this year, five foot across and one foot deep. That was my biggest plant. Next year I may use the actual kiddie pools. {they are $4.88 at Walmart at end of the season} I use them for mixing my soil. They hold 40 gallons of soil. 45 if you really fill them to the top.
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soil is the main thing if you have good soil the plants will put up with a lot and still do good.
 
I think clones tend to send roots out laterally rather than downward, because of the physical properties of how their roots develop.

With that, I reason, a cloned plant might prefer width over depth.


In any case, plants from seed or clones all like easy loose soil to spread out in, so I'd say the more room they have in any direction will help them get closer in size to their genetic potential.

If you grow guerrilla style and can only pack in a little bit of soil or promix etc. for individual plants you put in the ground, it's still a good idea to break up the natural soil all around the plant. Use the promix for the initial transplant area but remember to pulverize and maybe toss some of your favorite ferts, some perlite and rotting or loose organic material into the expanded broken up natural soil area you made around the transplant site. Your plants will appreciate the extra root room even if it's just loose native well drained and aerated soil.

Hell, toss in some moose shit if you run across it, but that's another story.
 
Rob Roy said:
I think clones tend to send roots out laterally rather than downward, because of the physical properties of how their roots develop.

With that, I reason, a cloned plant might prefer width over depth.


In any case, plants from seed or clones all like easy loose soil to spread out in, so I'd say the more room they have in any direction will help them get closer in size to their genetic potential.

If you grow guerrilla style and can only pack in a little bit of soil or promix etc. for individual plants you put in the ground, it's still a good idea to break up the natural soil all around the plant. Use the promix for the initial transplant area but remember to pulverize and maybe toss some of your favorite ferts, some perlite and rotting or loose organic material into the expanded broken up natural soil area you made around the transplant site. Your plants will appreciate the extra root room even if it's just loose native well drained and aerated soil.

Hell, toss in some moose shit if you run across it, but that's another story.
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This is why I go wide and shallow the lateral roots are feeder roots . With clones you can make them stretch and keep adding soil that way the buried stem grows roots. I use seeds and go from solo cups to 2 gallon to 5 gallon then into the hole so there is no tap root just a huge root wad that sends out lateral roots. I use lizard shit potent stuff.

cannibus root system.
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tom hill says anything deeper than 18 inches is unnecessary ( though i am thinking this is a clone depth measurement; i think seeds and their taproot should have more space. ) He says width is absolutely more important; think he does 5 feet width minimum
 
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