Good bag Seeds vs Bought Seeds

skolar182

Well-Known Member
I'm not always looking for most potent. But so far I'm getting an amazing yield with a shitload of trichome covered buds. I have to believe that some bag seed is still from well known strains... it's not like there's a "reggo" strain that people grow into brick weed.

Bag Seed

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Smells like fruity pebbles. The bag that I got the seeds from didn't smell anything like this.
 

sm0keyrich510

Active Member
I'm not always looking for most potent. But so far I'm getting an amazing yield with a shitload of trichome covered buds. I have to believe that some bag seed is still from well known strains... it's not like there's a "reggo" strain that people grow into brick weed.

Bag Seed

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Smells like fruity pebbles. The bag that I got the seeds from didn't smell anything like this.
i agree there is no strain called "plain weed"

bagseed does NOT mean its not any good.



you could have bagseed that may in reality be any top breeder's strain...think if someone grows 10 reg seeds of anything (lets just say northern lights to make it simple) say one is male or goes hermie and pollinates the females...is it not still whatever breeders northern lights? yes it is...but if you buy that bag that has the seed in it from whoever you'll save it and call it bagseed... bagseed = seeds found in your weed bag...

bagseed does not = crap...you just dont know what it is...sometimes its junk and sometimes its something special.

i planted a bagseed i had and it turned out to be a great sativa/sativa dom plant.
 

skolar182

Well-Known Member
For sure sm0key. I harvested the lower branches of my biggest sativa from bag seed just last night and I invited a few medical friends over to try the samples. They said it was the highest they've been in months and I would agree with them. Last night was one of the best highs I've had this year and I've been smoking nothing but dispensary buds. I'm super happy with the outcome and it's definitely POTENT!
 

sso

Well-Known Member
5 times done bagseed, 3 times found a great plant, 2 times found a almost great plant (hermied bit (but was ok if conditions were fine)
 

hazey grapes

Well-Known Member
i WISH i still had all of my brick bagseed! you'll get more IBL gear out of good mexcom than you will most of the stuff you can buy. the first time i grew bagseed from dozens of sources ranging from one flat out skunk all the way up through almost a dozen mexcoms, the leaflet trim i took from everything combined every day in my inability to resist the lure of FINALLY getting freakin' high again kicked EVERYTHING'S ass that i'd endured for over 10 years, but that's only because NO ONE would offer ANYTHING but indicrap where i was. i've sinced smoked better gear i've bought though.

there are many of us here that envy those who can get their hands on mexican brick seeds.
 

hazey grapes

Well-Known Member
tell everyone in the IBL sativas thread what you have if you want to see a bunch of people green with envy jocking you.
 

The Chemist Brothers

Active Member
I'll take the bagseed i make, over most stuff you can buy at a seedbank like attitude. i like paying for a breeder's genetics, but alot of the time it seems like a ripoff. if i had the patience make an ibl and stick with it, so i say bagseed is my favorite to grow, but i buy seeds for the variation and possibilities. sometimes i'll spend 200 dollars to get a keeper or 2. id rather just grow out a bunch of bagseed i personally had a hand it making and pop 500 seeds i dont have to pay for and get any number of plants.
 

Jogro

Well-Known Member
This may sound like a stupid question but I had to ask.
How much of a gain do you get by buying seeds vs. just getting some seeds from some kick-ass commercial weed you may have?
That's entirely dependent on the nature of the bag in question! The quality of the seeds, obviously, is going to be related to the quality of the bag contents.

The biggest advantage of buying commercial seeds is that you'll know (or should know) exactly what to expect from them, in terms of quality, yield, plant size, growing times, and other characteristics. With bag seeds, its a crap-shoot.

Also, as a general rule of thumb, the best commercial stuff is always going to be seedless, so if you're finding seeds in your bag chances are good the weed in question was grown outdoors and probably not under ideal conditions. But if the bag contents are awesome, there is some reasonable chance the seeds will be, as well.

Now, within the USA the most common commercially available seeded weed is bulk-smuggled from Mexico in compressed bricks, the "brick weed" you've read about above.

As weed, its mediocre, but that's at least in part because its grown, harvested, cured, and transported in a way optimized for illegal smuggling, not for product quality. Take the same seeds, grow them properly, seedlessly, and cure them right and you're likely to end up with something quite a bit better than the stuff in the bag.

Back in the day the Mexican landraces were really quite good (eg "Acapulco Gold", etc), though supposedly the cartels have killed off the golden goose in the past few years by introducing indica genetics to get earlier crops.
 

VinoGreen

Member
Coming from a winemaker's perspective on farming I know personally that varietals of grapes all have the capability of reacting to circumstances differently, some better than others. But that's what makes them varietals, just like strains of Cannabis; they hold different qualities. This of course is also dependent on many variability's. I would assume Cannabis is slightly similar, it's a plant, and not overly complicated. Quality is key, it's dynamic. My conclusion and bias leads me to believe "What's quality weed to you?" "Really?, can you tell the difference between quality?" Yes! Example: Let's say both commercial bought genetically selected seeds and bagseed are both germinated and nurtured into beautiful flourishing plants with the same factors of environment. Let's just say you overcame some struggles with both growing outside and you now cured your weed after harvesting it, being that it's ready to smoke, you smoke, puff puff....

You are humbled now. Often times you can't tell the difference. The normacy bias is, people that grow Cannabis commercially or NPO being caretakers use commercial seeds right? Wrong. They sometimes use their own, it's cost effective that way. That could very well be considered 'bagseed' as some of you define it. Most think that if it's a big operation or grow that they use the best of the best and they buy commercial, knowing the Cannabis will have the higher quality decision throughout it's production. I have a reason to believe people assume that all commercial seeds are good and all bagseed is bad or fair. Bagseed might work for some if you are OK with the fact of not knowing the specifics of your strain. When you buy commercial you're paying every penny for what you hopefully wanted. If you know how to grow weed and think you know what you're doing test the two and share with me your results.


I have seen these circumstance tested several times where a grower friend compared bagseed and commercial.
Buying seeds commercially and collecting some decent seeds from excellent Cannabis is a great option for some. The quality is subjective. If you are one that only grows with bagseed you might have developed your palette and taste for that smoke, try commercial. If you grow commercial, try bagseed and share share share your thoughts.
 

pheonixfire1991

Well-Known Member
what YOU put into it matters and the factors such as pot size time of growth indoors or outdoors and of course light cycle all reflect on the product at the end.
 

alphawolf.hack

New Member
i have had good and shit weed from both places haha.. its a seed you dont have any clue whats inside it could be 125$ seed and end up just dead no reason just dead by chance. the only thing you can do is grow one good plant and clone it and breed seeds and hope the majority hold up to your expectations. so if you look at it percentage wise it would be like 70-80% chance of getting a decent plant from a seed bank or 50-60% chance of getting a decent plant from bagseed so chances are really about the same either way.
 

Brick Top

New Member
I am assuming that you will get a MUCH better quality (i.e. more potent) plant by purchasing some quality seeds so I did. I actually purchased 5 kinds (Northern Lights, Papaya, White Rhino, AK-48, and Bubblecius from Nirvana)

If I were you I would have stuck with bag seed.

You mentioned; "quality seeds," but then you went in the opposite direction of; "quality seeds" and you purchased from Nirvana.
 

VinoGreen

Member
If I were you I would have stuck with bag seed.

You mentioned; "quality seeds," but then you went in the opposite direction of; "quality seeds" and you purchased from Nirvana.
Sorry for my ignorance, but what is wrong with the seed product line from 'Nirvana' ?
 

Jogro

Well-Known Member
You are humbled now. Often times you can't tell the difference. The normacy bias is, people that grow Cannabis commercially or NPO being caretakers use commercial seeds right? Wrong. They sometimes use their own, it's cost effective that way. That could very well be considered 'bagseed' as some of you define it. Most think that if it's a big operation or grow that they use the best of the best and they buy commercial, knowing the Cannabis will have the higher quality decision throughout it's production. I have a reason to believe people assume that all commercial seeds are good and all bagseed is bad or fair.
I think the definition of "bagseed" would be seeds found in a bag of cannabis sold at retail. Seeds generated by growers by deliberate pollenization of their plants aren't really bagseeds by that definition. On the other hand, seeds generated by accidental ("open") pollenization of commercial grows might well qualify as "bagseed". These seeds might well be excellent.

The point is, since most commercially grown cannabis is supposed to be seedless, almost by definition, any seeds found in a bag are the result of an accidental fertilization, explaining why they are always suspect in quality.

To respond in part to what you said above, most domestic cannabis is produced indoors under artificial lighting now.

For that kind of farming, typically commercial-scale growers start their crops using cuttings ("clones") rather than seeds. The reason is that cuttings display uniform sex and other characteristics, plus the turnaround time from cuttings is a good bit faster than from seeds. Since many of the most desirable commercial strains are hybrids rather than true-breeding strains, starting with cuttings is the only way to ensure crop consistency. In some cases, commercially grown strains might even be "clone only". . .these plants were hand-chosen possibly years before for exceptional characteristics from a number of other plants, and may not even have a corresponding genetically similar male to create seeds from.

The point is, domestic commercial growers generally do not try to generate seeds. They may do so under unusual circumstances, but again, if seeds are found in commercially grown stuff, the seeds should be assumed to be the result an accidental fertilization.

Assuming you don't know the provenance of your particular cannabis, since most cannabis is grown seedlessly indoors from pre-sexed cuttings, there is a pretty good likelihood that any bag with seeds in it was probably grown outdoors. In that case, while the cannabis itself will give you a good indication of the quality of the mother plant, the quality of the father plant may be utterly unknown.

Again, depending on where and how it was grown, there is some real chance that seeds found in a bag of high quality outdoor-grown cannabis were fertilized by a low-quality male, including even a low-potency wild male hemp plant. Seeds like that may well be a good bit inferior to the quality of the cannabis in the bag.

For the smuggled-in seeded Mexican commercial grade cannabis, my understanding is that those plants are grown in large fields outdoors, starting with seeds from a previous season, with the males not all culled. So with that seeded product, the seeds probably DO share the same genetics as the herb in the bag. If the bag contents are excellent, the seeds ought to be, as well.
 
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