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ttystikk
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First, speak for yourself. Second, you've just proven yourself to be as bone headed about investing as you are about politics. Third, Elon Musk is the Marketer in Chief and he's in the headlines as often as he can manage. Finally, hating on my family just makes you look even more like the jackass you are.
Unclebaldrick
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Seriously, nobody looks more the jackass than you.
Thank you for coming back time after time after time. You make me laugh.
londonfog
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You are dumb as shit. Musk is not the CMO of Tesla. Try CEO.
Robyn Denholm
Chairman of the Board
Elon Musk
Chief Executive Officer, Director
Zachary Kirkhorn
Chief Financial Officer
Jeffrey Straubel
Chief Technology Officer
Vaibhav Taneja
Chief Accounting Officer
Antonio Gracias
Lead Independent Director
James Murdoch
Director
Kimbal Musk
Director
Linda Rice
Director
Bradley Buss
Independent Director
Ira Ehrenpreis
Independent Director
Larry Ellison
Independent Director
Stephen Jurvetson
Independent Director
Kathleen Wilson-Thompson
Independent Director
TTYstikk
Unemployed and dead beat dad
I don't hate your family. I hate men who have children and don't provide, nourish or teach said child. You are such that type of person. Instead you brag about keeping women in cages. SAD. When was the last time you helped your child do ANYTHING ? Nothing can ever replace the love and a protection a REAL father provides, in which your loser self is not.
Unclebaldrick
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He helps his child daily - by staying away.
CannaBruh
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How many automakers took out superbowl ads? Was Tesla one?
I've never seen a Tesla comercial, word of mouth marketing whether that's via the media cannot keep the CEO name out their mouth or a strong customer base =/= media blitz aka marketing imo. I can appreciate both points of view tho
I've never seen a Tesla comercial, word of mouth marketing whether that's via the media cannot keep the CEO name out their mouth or a strong customer base =/= media blitz aka marketing imo. I can appreciate both points of view tho
Unclebaldrick
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You know, this has been bugging me for a while. I don't agree with your premise about shorting stocks only when they have a decent chance of bankruptcy. In fact, kind of the opposite.
When a company has a reasonable chance of bankruptcy - at least for you to perceive it - the market has already taken this into effect and discounted the stock. As shorting a position sets up a situation where you have limited capacity for gain but theoretically unlimited liability, this seems like putting yourself into a bad position.
In my opinion, there is far more potential in shorting stocks of companies that are generally doing well as the market as a whole has a tendency to overvalue these stocks in the short term in something like a bandwagon effect giving ample opportunity to make money off of short term but sizeable corrections. Obviously, this is a personal preference. There is nothing wrong with taking a short position on a company that is getting the crap knocked out of it. But getting that short position established before the market has already devalued the stock is quite a trick.
Is it time to short Tesla? I have no idea. Taking a short position for me requires day to day intimate knowledge of the company and the market. I don't have that insight. But is Tesla a company that I would look at if I were looking for a short - oh hell yeah. High visibility, Wall Street darling, high volatility, it has all the hallmarks. Does this mean I am bullish on Tesla? No, not at all. I look at short positions as speculative and if one were looking to speculate I would keep an eye on them for sure.
If I owned a bunch of Tesla and the market ran up a lot, I would probably look to some out-of-the-money puts as protection. I'll bet the premiums on these are much higher than they would be with most companies.
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londonfog
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Oh my.
The key word I used was high RISK of bankruptcy. Shorting a stock that is doing well, as you say you would do, would garner no profit, in fact you might end up owing the broker more for the borrow, because you are selling something you do not own in the hopes of putting it back at a lower cost along with your borrowing fee .
In caveman terms, when you do a short sale you borrow the bone that you wish to short sell, and sell it at the current market value. When and if the price of the bone declines, you buy the bone back and return it to the lender ( the person you bowered the bone from to “cover” your short sale. The difference between the price at which you sold the bone and the price at which you bought it back constitute your gross profit or loss.
example once again of a short sell
- You believe a companies share price will fall
- You sell 1,000 "borrowed" shares at $60
- The share price falls to $44
- You buy 1,000 shares (to close the trade) at $44
- You made a profit of $16 per share
- You believe a companies share price will rise
- You buy shares at $50
- The share price rises to $64
- You sell the shares for a profit of $14 per share
Unclebaldrick
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londonfog
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show me in math how you would make a profit on a short sell of a company doing well. I patiently await
Unclebaldrick
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I have no argument with your math, I just disagree with your tactics in a way that we are not going to settle here.
If your claim is that money can not be made shorting a healthy company then I will leave you to it.
ttystikk
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Because stocks also go down, even for healthy companies.
Millions of valuable put options get paid out every day in the marketplace, most of which were placed against healthy companies- and Tesla is anything but a healthy company. After all, the only thing it can turn a profit on right now are the sale of carbon credits.
Are you going to tell us that you're the expert?
londonfog
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I'm going to tell you to stfu and leave this conversation to grown people who can take care of their responsibility...please.
You I'm sure are clueless to what short selling is. The only thing you short is your child. Deadbeat dad you are
londonfog
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fair enough. I'm merely talking risk factor. I'm sure money can be made shorting a health company...but the risk is something I would not take personally
Unclebaldrick
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It isn't so much a matter of a healthy company or an unhealthy company - it is about whether a stock is over or undervalued for a company. My point is that unhealthy companies often already have deeply discounted stock. Companies don't like to advertise when bad things happen so by the time we know about it, the market has generally pushed the stock price down so far that the potential of a short is low.
londonfog
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and how do you determined if a stock is over valued or not ?
ttystikk
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Oh look: Can't discuss things like an adult so your backup goal comes out; run off anyone you can't bully into agreeing with you.
londonfog
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actually I prefer to talk to people who know wtf they are talking about. If it was about neglecting your child you would be the one.
If it was about keeping women in a cage...again that would be you.
Politics and finance is something you revealed to be rather ignorant on sooo…..no
Unclebaldrick
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Solve that problem and you are Warren Buffet. The market price is the price at which there are an equal amount of buyers and sellers. So, in theory, all stocks are properly priced. But the market is often wrong isn't it?
I am not trying to dodge the question. Stock investing is speculative. Everybody has their own theories on how to beat the market. Most are bullshit.
londonfog
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that sir is the best answer that could have been given
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