I use some orange smelling neem extract stuff the first time, week later spinosad, and maybe spinosad again week later. Didn't do the soil drench, but prolly should have. I let a friend throw me something called bhangi haze, chock full, took six months and every plant start of flower treated to get rid of the damn bugs. I told her never again, no offense. She's a window open all the time huge compost pile kind of grower. I got so mad, I tossed the flowering plant, especially after reading about it and I usually won't do that. But prior, no pests whatsoever. I trust her skills, but dont' want her clones, lol. She don't take advice very well, either sometimes, lmfao. I'll get better and taking my own clones. Bout only thing I don't have down pretty good. Get too impatient, sometimes too wet, etc. But I figger practice makes perfect