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HighHitter

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Square pots? Cani
I’d like to know more about what I’m doing wrong. Seriously I’m not being sarcastic I would rather my mistakes be pointed out right away so they don’t keep causing me trouble. I post my shit on here for feedback on what I can do better, not any sort of flexing bullshit. I recycle, compost, and amend my soil but don’t do any sort of concentrated nutes in veg unless I get a deficiency. I lower the PH of my water to 6 - 6.5 every single time. I’ve suspected something is off in veg though because of the occasional plant yellowing, although burned tips are extremely rare. Anyway I dunno how to check the soil PH because I never water enough for runoff, but I don’t know what could jack it up besides the bone meal and chicken manure that goes into my soil occasionally. I only water when the soil dries out completely too, and finally, I’ve never had plants do that with the curled leaves, not to mention that bad a germ rate. The rockwool usually works perfectly. But I’ll reiterate. When those plants looked so shitty in the first pic, I had never fed them and had just recently transplanted them into the pots. They started looking shitty when I planted the rockwool cubes in the really small square plants. Maybe that had something to do with it but I’d love some more info on maintaining soil PH and keeping that from happening. Last time I had a plant that looked weird it was a bodega and someone identified the problem as a P deficiency. I’m scared of over feeding and not good at identifying deficiencies, and that’s probably the main problem.
Square pots? Cannabis likes round pots! lol
Seriously though, that chicken shit is HOT, unless well composted
 
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40AmpstoFreedom

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I’d like to know more about what I’m doing wrong. Seriously I’m not being sarcastic I would rather my mistakes be pointed out right away so they don’t keep causing me trouble. I recycle, compost, and amend my soil but don’t do any sort of concentrated nutes in veg unless I get a deficiency. I lower the PH of my water to 6 - 6.5 every single time. I’ve suspected something is off in veg though because of the occasional plant yellowing, although burned tips are extremely rare. Anyway I dunno how to check the soil PH because I never water enough for runoff, but I don’t know what could jack it up besides the bone meal and chicken manure that goes into my soil occasionally. I only water when the soil dries out completely too, and finally, I’ve never had plants do that with the curled leaves, not to mention that bad a germ rate. The rockwool usually works perfectly. But I’ll reiterate. When those plants looked so shitty in the first pic, I had never fed them and had just recently transplanted them into the pots. They started looking shitty when I planted the rockwool cubes in the really small square plants. Maybe that had something to do with it but I’d love some more info on maintaining soil PH and keeping that from happening. Last time I had a plant that looked weird it was a bodega and someone identified the problem as a P deficiency. I’m scared of over feeding and not good at identifying deficiencies, and that’s probably the main problem.
Never use poultry manure in organics. The reason being is that is very, very, hot. This is why turkey and chicken manure/concentrates are so cheap...farmers tend to not like it.

No need to ever go below 6.3 ph in soil and a solid 6.5 should deliver everything. Drastic shifts are never good no matter medium but doesn't hurt to slowly drift up and down. Soil should be easy though. You add water only. You definitely have everything I listed before. You must figure it why, but Chicken manure is definitely a good place to start. pH control in soil is all about lime, even watering, and sending your soil off for lab analysis is damn easy these days you can do it on amazon and get graphs and all sorts of shit. I moved on to rdwc though so my memory is not as sharp as it was when doing it day in and day out.

If you want consistent results you need a consistent mix/medium. I never found good luck with recycling, but nailed it with fresh batches every damn time for many many years.
 
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TerrapinBlazin

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Square pots? Cani

Square pots? Cannabis likes round pots! lol
Seriously though, that children shit is HOT, unless well composted
I usually like to let it cook for a full month before I put plants in it, but I might have added a little too much to it. Yeah a little too much chicken manure does seem like a neat and simple explanation. I’ve noticed that once I size up to 1 gallon or bigger pots they get healthier. I did transplant two of my bodegas today and they were pretty rootbound. That can’t be helping the rest of them.
 

TerrapinBlazin

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Never use poultry manure in organics. The reason being is that is very, very, hot. This is why turkey and chicken manure/concentrates are so cheap...farmers tend to not like it.

No need to ever go below 6.3 ph in soil and a solid 6.5 should deliver everything. Drastic shifts are never good no matter medium but doesn't hurt to slowly drift up and down. Soil should be easy though. You add water only. You definitely have everything I listed before. You must figure it why, but Chicken manure is definitely a good place to start. pH control in soil is all about lime, even watering, and sending your soil off for lab analysis is damn easy these days you can do it on amazon and get graphs and all sorts of shit. I moved on to rdwc though so my memory is not as sharp as it was when doing it day in and day out.

If you want consistent results you need a consistent mix/medium.
Much appreciated. Seriously. Anything I can do to make my plants happier is worth it. Never thought about using lime because everything is so alkaline out here already. So looks like I need to replace the chicken manure with something else. I hear good things about worm castings. You’re spot on about why I used the chicken manure. It’s cheap.

That soil recipe looks absolutely killer. Way more involved but worth doing right and I’m getting on that right away.
 

HighHitter

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Much appreciated. Seriously. Anything I can do to make my plants happier is worth it. Never thought about using lime because everything is so alkaline out here already. So looks like I need to replace the chicken manure with something else. I hear good things about worm castings. You’re spot on about why I used the chicken manure. It’s cheap.

That soil recipe looks absolutely killer. Way more involved but worth doing right and I’m getting on that right away.
Man, you can go broke buying all that stuff. I use 60% FFOF (its got all the goodies in there) 15% peat, 15% perlite, 10% worm castings.
Throw in a handful of Espoma or/Dr. Earth and your done. Once a week, water w/Real Growers Recharge, seaweed, molasses.
Plenty of videos on you tube/how to build and feed a living soil
Flip me a Bodega Bud, we'll call it even. lol
 
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TheBlackHand420

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You ever get any algae issues using those clear cups? I used them my last grow and my roots turned green. I guess it was an algae from the light getting to the roots. Went back to the red solo cups so the roots could be in total darkness and it seemed to solve the problem.
No problem so far. I dont keep them in there long but this time around they might cause I'm waiting 4 weeks on flowering tent to free up. Does algae hurt them anyway? Guess I can bust the gorilla tape out.
 

TheBlackHand420

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Much appreciated. Seriously. Anything I can do to make my plants happier is worth it. Never thought about using lime because everything is so alkaline out here already. So looks like I need to replace the chicken manure with something else. I hear good things about worm castings. You’re spot on about why I used the chicken manure. It’s cheap.

That soil recipe looks absolutely killer. Way more involved but worth doing right and I’m getting on that right away.
Natures living soil.com or build a soil are some thoughts.
 

TheBlackHand420

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You ever get any algae issues using those clear cups? I used them my last grow and my roots turned green. I guess it was an algae from the light getting to the roots. Went back to the red solo cups so the roots could be in total darkness and it seemed to solve the problem.
Did a lil reading algea doesnt hurt but if way too much it will block had exchanges in soil
 

durbanblue

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Much appreciated. Seriously. Anything I can do to make my plants happier is worth it. Never thought about using lime because everything is so alkaline out here already. So looks like I need to replace the chicken manure with something else. I hear good things about worm castings. You’re spot on about why I used the chicken manure. It’s cheap.

That soil recipe looks absolutely killer. Way more involved but worth doing right and I’m getting on that right away.
Do you have a PH pen or meter? I just got one and has completely changed the way I do the PH on my waterings now. I also had issues with sickly looking plants, now everything is thriving after I worked out my PH problems.
 

TerrapinBlazin

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Do you have a PH pen or meter? I just got one and has completely changed the way I do the PH on my waterings now. I also had issues with sickly looking plants, now everything is thriving after I worked out my PH problems.
I do, but I haven’t gotten around to calibrating it yet. I’ve just been using the green indicator stuff.
 

Mr.Estrain

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Ph is the most under rated variable to maintain, imo.

This chart is great info. Take that chart and the knowledge that pH affects nutrient uptake and you can see why pH is so important.

There are pH pens for soil available and you can also check your runoff and compare that with your baseline water pH.
 

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TreeFarmerCharlie

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Ph is the most under rated variable to maintain, imo.

This chart is great info. Take that chart and the knowledge that pH affects nutrient uptake and you can see why pH is so important.

There are pH pens for soil available and you can also check your runoff and compare that with your baseline water pH.
I agree, and it doesn't help when so many growers tell new growers that maintaining pH in soil grows is not necessary. While it may not be necessary in many situations, it is in some, and I still think it is important for new growers to understand this, and the fact that using water that is way off will deplete the buffers in the soil at a faster rate.
 

TerrapinBlazin

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I’ve always felt PH is important especially in my alkaline environment so I always adjust PH before I water. I have one of those probes that supposedly reads PH, moisture, and something else in the soil, but I’m not convinced of the PH probe accuracy. Haven’t used it in close to a year. The actual PH pen I have looks more legit but I haven’t calibrated it. I’ve never watered enough for there to be runoff out the bottom of the pot. Is this also a mistake?
 

TreeFarmerCharlie

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I’ve always felt PH is important especially in my alkaline environment so I always adjust PH before I water. I have one of those probes that supposedly reads PH, moisture, and something else in the soil, but I’m not convinced of the PH probe accuracy. Haven’t used it in close to a year. The actual PH pen I have looks more legit but I haven’t calibrated it. I’ve never watered enough for there to be runoff out the bottom of the pot. Is this also a mistake?
My wife uses those soil probes in all her house plants and they are only good for measuring moisture. The pH meters in them are so inaccurate they are useless.
 

TerrapinBlazin

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My wife uses those soil probes in all her house plants and they are only good for measuring moisture. The pH meters in them are so inaccurate they are useless.
That’s what I figured. Thanks for confirming. I didn’t think that something I got at Lowe’s for 10 bucks could accurately measure soil PH
 

Mr.Estrain

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I’ve always felt PH is important especially in my alkaline environment so I always adjust PH before I water. I have one of those probes that supposedly reads PH, moisture, and something else in the soil, but I’m not convinced of the PH probe accuracy. Haven’t used it in close to a year. The actual PH pen I have looks more legit but I haven’t calibrated it. I’ve never watered enough for there to be runoff out the bottom of the pot. Is this also a mistake?
I noticed you said Rockwool cubes, not sure what you buffer the pH to but I recently had to use those for cuttings and they're now labelled to pH to 5.5, if you only went to 6.3 or so that could account for the poor performance initially.
 
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