Greenpoint seeds!!

My opinion is that if you are really serious about finding a good keeper from a pack of seeds, the best way to do that is to get reg's, pop a whole pack or even more of you are really serious., select your favourite male and female and breed them back to each other.

That f2 generation of seeds is going to give you way more variation in phenotypes and a much higher chance of finding something really special and unique that no one else has
 
bubbahaze said:
High priced don’t mean better quality Strayfox Bodhi and Doc D seeds are cheap and blows the $200 plus varieties out the water, CSI has some of the best genetics on the market
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Bodhi is not a breeder, just a random F1 pollen chucker and the gear he sell reflect that, nothing to rave about, random males with supposed elite cuts, crapshoot
I know this because I grew 10+ packs from him
For new growers bodhi price point is ok, nothing more
Strayfox is a F2 breeder, buy packs and sell untested F2 seeds, not even from elite cuts.. Pass for me.
Doc D again same issue like bodhi
CSI is a F1 pollen chucker, no work is being done in the normal F1 crosses
I also grew much from CSI, nothing special and packs are overpriced to hell
I dunno.. I just run numbers of everything I can get and hope for the best
I don't think this breeder is better than the other
They all do the same thing, F1 or S1
The only thing that matters is if they started with the og elite clone
 
PTS.Genetics said:
Bodhi is not a breeder, just a random F1 pollen chucker and the gear he sell reflect that, nothing to rave about, random males with supposed elite cuts, crapshoot
I know this because I grew 10+ packs from him
For new growers bodhi price point is ok, nothing more
Strayfox is a F2 breeder, buy packs and sell untested F2 seeds, not even from elite cuts.. Pass for me.
Doc D again same issue like bodhi
CSI is a F1 pollen chucker, no work is being done in the normal F1 crosses
I also grew much from CSI, nothing special and packs are overpriced to hell
I dunno.. I just run numbers of everything I can get and hope for the best
I don't think this breeder is better than the other
They all do the same thing, F1 or S1
The only thing that matters is if they started with the og elite clone
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So who are these ‘breeders’ that you are about to buy from connoisseur lol
 
PTS.Genetics said:
Bodhi is not a breeder, just a random F1 pollen chucker and the gear he sell reflect that, nothing to rave about, random males with supposed elite cuts, crapshoot
I know this because I grew 10+ packs from him
For new growers bodhi price point is ok, nothing more
Strayfox is a F2 breeder, buy packs and sell untested F2 seeds, not even from elite cuts.. Pass for me.
Doc D again same issue like bodhi
CSI is a F1 pollen chucker, no work is being done in the normal F1 crosses
I also grew much from CSI, nothing special and packs are overpriced to hell
I dunno.. I just run numbers of everything I can get and hope for the best
I don't think this breeder is better than the other
They all do the same thing, F1 or S1
The only thing that matters is if they started with the og elite clone
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Which breeders aren't throwing out f1s? I dont think i know if any.

The reason breeders sell f1s is because f1's give good consistency.

F2s and f3s give off wild results that vary a lot. Throwing back to the parents and grandparents even. Which is why I like them for pheno hunting. But not great if you just want to buy a pack of seeds and grow some consistent smoke.
 
bubbahaze said:
So who are these ‘breeders’ that you are about to buy from connoisseur lol
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Connoisseur Genetics is a very old breeder from the UK, I think when I grew my first plant some 25 years ago he was making a name for himself, so I do trust he have the elite clones he claim
He is not a breeder by any means, F1 is the ultimate style of his gear
But he took the time to S1 and S2 the SD line and the Chem D, which should sprout some very consistent results of the mother plant (that is if he selected good enough down the first S and the 2nd)
We shall see, Im supposed to get them shortly

To me the way to find good keepers in any pack is to run numbers of it if possible
I do 100-150 plants hunts in 1 cycle so it works for me

F2 and F3 don't give wild results if your selections are tight down the line
The whole point of going to F2 F3 is to create consistency in the line, not to jumble it
If you select an equal or better fem in the F1 and F2 it, your next selection will be more tight, making the F3 even more leaning towards your initial selections
That's called breeding out the bad, keeping the good
It doesn't matter how you do it, by Selfing or Crossing
Only selection matter to the subsequent generation
 
PTS.Genetics said:
Connoisseur Genetics is a very old breeder from the UK, I think when I grew my first plant some 25 years ago he was making a name for himself, so I do trust he have the elite clones he claim
He is not a breeder by any means, F1 is the ultimate style of his gear
But he took the time to S1 and S2 the SD line and the Chem D, which should sprout some very consistent results of the mother plant (that is if he selected good enough down the first S and the 2nd)
We shall see, Im supposed to get them shortly

To me the way to find good keepers in any pack is to run numbers of it if possible
I do 100-150 plants hunts in 1 cycle so it works for me

F2 and F3 don't give wild results if your selections are tight down the line
The whole point of going to F2 F3 is to create consistency in the line, not to jumble it
If you select an equal or better fem in the F1 and F2 it, your next selection will be more tight, making the F3 even more leaning towards your initial selections
That's called breeding out the bad, keeping the good
It doesn't matter how you do it, by Selfing or Crossing
Only selection matter to the subsequent generation
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That would be incorrect True Canna Genetics bred those varieties not the Connoisseur guy history, you mentioned Top Dawg did you know GPS was using the same stardawg male that Top Dawg was?
 
Trucanba worked for CSG, and he didn't bred noting lol
CSG was a long time before Trucanna got in the game
I ran a lot of Trucanna gear aswell, I've got some The Truth flowering as we speak, 2nd time, first seeds I finished were meh, nothing much, now I'm trying again as I'm running through my packs of old
.
 
PTS.Genetics said:
Trucanba worked for CSG, and he didn't bred noting lol
CSG was a long time before Trucanna got in the game
I ran a lot of Trucanna gear aswell, I've got some The Truth flowering as we speak, 2nd time, first seeds I finished were meh, nothing much, now I'm trying again as I'm running through my packs of old
.
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You need to read or listen to an interview or 3 lol, if you have it all figured out make your own and we’ll judge if you are in CSI Bodhi etc league
 
PTS.Genetics said:
Connoisseur Genetics is a very old breeder from the UK, I think when I grew my first plant some 25 years ago he was making a name for himself, so I do trust he have the elite clones he claim
He is not a breeder by any means, F1 is the ultimate style of his gear
But he took the time to S1 and S2 the SD line and the Chem D, which should sprout some very consistent results of the mother plant (that is if he selected good enough down the first S and the 2nd)
We shall see, Im supposed to get them shortly

To me the way to find good keepers in any pack is to run numbers of it if possible
I do 100-150 plants hunts in 1 cycle so it works for me

F2 and F3 don't give wild results if your selections are tight down the line
The whole point of going to F2 F3 is to create consistency in the line, not to jumble it
If you select an equal or better fem in the F1 and F2 it, your next selection will be more tight, making the F3 even more leaning towards your initial selections
That's called breeding out the bad, keeping the good
It doesn't matter how you do it, by Selfing or Crossing
Only selection matter to the subsequent generation
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This is why f2 is considered unstable.

Screenshot_20250509_052704_Samsung Notes.jpg

This is as simple as I can make it. First generation you will get 4 possible outcomes. All of which are. 50x 50 mix of the parent plants.

Now it doesnt matter which plants you choose to breed from those f1s,

When you go to f2 you still have 4 possible outcomes, but now 2 of those outcomes are going to be a close match to the two parents you chose from the f1s, one is a throw back to one of the parents from the original cross and one is something entirely new.

This is why f2 will always be more unstable than f1, especially if you are looking for a good mix if the original parents.

Unstable isn't always a bad thing in my books, not if your searching for a throwback to an original cut in the parent lines or something unique and new
 
bubbahaze said:
You need to read or listen to an interview or 3 lol, if you have it all figured out make your own and we’ll judge if you are in CSI Bodhi etc league
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I don't need to listen to interviews my man, I was there 25 years ago when it all started
Trucanna is not in CSG league, sure they worked together for a small period of time, but they are not in the same league, never were

2easy said:
This is why f2 is considered unstable.

View attachment 5463991

This is as simple as I can make it. First generation you will get 4 possible outcomes. All of which are. 50x 50 mix of the parent plants.

Now it doesnt matter which plants you choose to breed from those f1s,

When you go to f2 you still have 4 possible outcomes, but now 2 of those outcomes are going to be a close match to the two parents you chose from the f1s, one is a throw back to one of the parents from the original cross and one is something entirely new.

This is why f2 will always be more unstable than f1, especially if you are looking for a good mix if the original parents.

Unstable isn't always a bad thing in my books, not if your searching for a throwback to an original cut in the parent lines or something unique and new
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What you show relates to true breed plants
Most people don't get it, almost no plant is true breed so those charts are worth nothing
Because no plant is true breed, going down the line makes it more uniform.
When you start from a true breed strain and you mix it with other true breed you will get your chart
But again, you don't mix elite clones, you self them, because
A, elite doesn't mean they breed true
B, you want the clone itself in seed form, not a new untested cross, even if it's from 2 true breed plants, the outcome will still vary as in the chart to "instability"
That's not the case with most seeds today which are a far cry from true breeding
So, every generation you take those not uniform plants, and select down the line, you'll get uniformity
You won't get uniformity in the F2 or F3 lines, no, but that's the route to take.
 
PTS.Genetics said:
I don't need to listen to interviews my man, I was there 25 years ago when it all started
Trucanna is not in CSG league, sure they worked together for a small period of time, but they are not in the same league, never were


What you show relates to true breed plants
Most people don't get it, almost no plant is true breed so those charts are worth nothing
Because no plant is true breed, going down the line makes it more uniform.
When you start from a true breed strain and you mix it with other true breed you will get your chart
But again, you don't mix elite clones, you self them, because
A, elite doesn't mean they breed true
B, you want the clone itself in seed form, not a new untested cross, even if it's from 2 true breed plants, the outcome will still vary as in the chart to "instability"
That's not the case with most seeds today which are a far cry from true breeding
So, every generation you take those not uniform plants, and select down the line, you'll get uniformity
You won't get uniformity in the F2 or F3 lines, no, but that's the route to take.
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What good lines has Connoisseur produced since Canna left?, the clones were True Cannas you sure you was there but your right Canna is out of Connois league, happy hunting though
 
2easy said:
This is why f2 is considered unstable.

View attachment 5463991

This is as simple as I can make it. First generation you will get 4 possible outcomes. All of which are. 50x 50 mix of the parent plants.

Now it doesnt matter which plants you choose to breed from those f1s,

When you go to f2 you still have 4 possible outcomes, but now 2 of those outcomes are going to be a close match to the two parents you chose from the f1s, one is a throw back to one of the parents from the original cross and one is something entirely new.

This is why f2 will always be more unstable than f1, especially if you are looking for a good mix if the original parents.

Unstable isn't always a bad thing in my books, not if your searching for a throwback to an original cut in the parent lines or something unique and new
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There’s nothing wrong with F1s they be quite awesome
 
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