Greenpoint seeds!!

Ginger Viking

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Hey guys! I hope I'm not out of line with this. But this is my most favorite thread. And I certainly trust and value each one of you guys opinion. (Some a little more than others. Lol) So please help an old, "old school" guy out if you will. So here goes. I use two Blockbuster 600 watt (Hortilux bulbs) hoods over an Aeroflow 60 site, with two light movers going from side to side. My total footprint is about 41/2 X 61/2. I'm satisfied with my grow, as it is. But I would like to get away from the heat being produced, and hopefully up the quality of my grow somewhat. (Who doesn't, right!) And cut back on the AC usage. Which of these would you suggest? And how many would I need to replace my HPS bulbs. I only flower, no veg time in my setup. The

(1) Specification:

LEDs: CREE XLAMP CXB3590
Cooling: Passive Heatsink (No fan)
3500K Warm White
CRI: 80
umol/ watt 2.1
Forward Foltage: 36V
Max Current Drive: 3600ma
Actual Power Draw: 54 watts
COB Max Power: 132 Watts
Net weight: 1.5KG.

(2) Or the HLG- 600H with new V2 Quantum Boards.

(2) Or the Fluence SpydrX or SpyderX plus.

This may not be the place to ask. But I feel as if I somewhat know all you guys here. This is a big step for me. I've only used HID's forever, nothing else. But I don't want to stay behind, if getting up to date is the thing. Thanks for any help.
That is a question that should have a thread of it's own...a lot of answers and even more questions.
 

Lurrabq

Well-Known Member
Hey guys! I hope I'm not out of line with this. But this is my most favorite thread. And I certainly trust and value each one of you guys opinion. (Some a little more than others. Lol) So please help an old, "old school" guy out if you will. So here goes. I use two Blockbuster 600 watt (Hortilux bulbs) hoods over an Aeroflow 60 site, with two light movers going from side to side. My total footprint is about 41/2 X 61/2. I'm satisfied with my grow, as it is. But I would like to get away from the heat being produced, and hopefully up the quality of my grow somewhat. (Who doesn't, right!) And cut back on the AC usage. Which of these would you suggest? And how many would I need to replace my HPS bulbs. I only flower, no real veg time in my setup. The

(1) Specification:

LEDs: CREE XLAMP CXB3590
Cooling: Passive Heatsink (No fan)
3500K Warm White
CRI: 80
umol/ watt 2.1
Forward Foltage: 36V
Max Current Drive: 3600ma
Actual Power Draw: 54 watts
COB Max Power: 132 Watts
Net weight: 1.5KG.

(2) Or the HLG- 600H with new V2 Quantum Boards.

(3) Or the Fluence SpydrX or SpyderX plus.

This may not be the place to ask. But I feel as if I somewhat know all you guys here. This is a big step for me. I've only used HID's forever, nothing else. But I don't want to stay behind, if getting up to date is the thing. Thanks for any help.
I like your first idea, but if you only flower with it, I'd suggest 3000K, 90cct.

I hung one HLG 288 diode unit in a 2x2.5' tent, and the ambient temperature has gone up 7-9 degrees Fahrenheit.

You're still getting more lm/watt out of the LEDs though.
 

Little Dog

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I have a 600h.With the 288's.

If i run it wide open it is just as hot as the 600 bare bulb i ran for years.Only way i see ya cuttin down heat is cuttin down on the wattage.
Thanks my friend. I have a fan connected to both hoods with a 6'' vent line. Outside air in thru hoods and right back out. I may just purge all room air with an exhaust fan set in the ceiling with a temperature sensor attached. Set it at eighty degrees, and go from there. Purge, and then let my AC start over again fresh! Lol. Summers are tough, gotta do something. Thanks.
 
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Little Dog

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I like your first idea, but if you only flower with it, I'd suggest 3000K, 90cct.

I hung one HLG 288 diode unit in a 2x2.5' tent, and the ambient temperature has gone up 7-9 degrees Fahrenheit.

You're still getting more lm/watt out of the LEDs though.
I appreciate the response. I'm learning! Thanks.
 

vertnugs

Well-Known Member
Thanks my friend. I have a fan connected to both hoods with a 6'' vent line. Outside air in thru hoods and right back out. I may just purge all room air with an exhaust fan set in the ceiling with a temperature sensor attached. Set it at eighty degrees, and go from there. Purge, and then let my AC start over again fresh! Lol. Summers are tough, gotta do something. Thanks.
Oh i feel ya on the summers bud.

DIY is where it's at if you're willing.
 

ShyGuru

Well-Known Member
Hey guys! I hope I'm not out of line with this. But this is my most favorite thread. And I certainly trust and value each one of you guys opinion. (Some a little more than others. Lol) So please help an old, "old school" guy out if you will. So here goes. I use two Blockbuster 600 watt (Hortilux bulbs) hoods over an Aeroflow 60 site, with two light movers going from side to side. My total footprint is about 41/2 X 61/2. I'm satisfied with my grow, as it is. But I would like to get away from the heat being produced, and hopefully up the quality of my grow somewhat. (Who doesn't, right!) And cut back on the AC usage. Which of these would you suggest? And how many would I need to replace my HPS bulbs. I only flower, no real veg time in my setup. The

(1) Specification:

LEDs: CREE XLAMP CXB3590
Cooling: Passive Heatsink (No fan)
3500K Warm White
CRI: 80
umol/ watt 2.1
Forward Foltage: 36V
Max Current Drive: 3600ma
Actual Power Draw: 54 watts
COB Max Power: 132 Watts
Net weight: 1.5KG.

(2) Or the HLG- 600H with new V2 Quantum Boards.

(3) Or the Fluence SpydrX or SpyderX plus.

This may not be the place to ask. But I feel as if I somewhat know all you guys here. This is a big step for me. I've only used HID's forever, nothing else. But I don't want to stay behind, if getting up to date is the thing. Thanks for any help.
I run 8 cxb3590 for a total 300w passively cooled in a 38x21 enclosed cabinet with only 2 axial fans to remove heat and no ac and the temp stays at 83° all year long. We're talking a very tight space. 200w of compact fluorescent in the same space ran over 90° and there's no way in hell I could run any hid in there since the 600w heats up my entire bathroom. Remember with led less energy is converted to heat thru its efficiency and there is significantly less ir heat as well. Just fyi in my setup the hestsink temp is about 112°, which is less than the operating temps of most compact fluorescent bulbs. I don't have the quantum boards yet so I can't speak on those but I hear they also run cool
 
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Little Dog

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Oh i feel ya on the summers bud.

DIY is where it's at if you're willing.
I'm beginning to lean that way. I'm no electrician, but I can wire a house. Have done it, I just followed the Home Depot beginner manual. #Vertnugs, does the 600H kit come with assembly directions. Would you know? Or is it best to assemble piece by piece. I'm willing to try, but it has to be obtainable. I can follow directions pretty good, if the directions are there. Is there a website dedicated to DIY? I appreciate your input and interest. Thanks again.
 

Goats22

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my qb600h run FAR cooler than my air-cooled 600w hps did. starting this run in late winter i actually had issues with the room being way too cold, which i didn't ever experience using the hps. i had to run the heater longer than usual as a result. that being said, this panel is flowering out my 4x4 very nicely @~475w (i got it with a potentiometer)

i am really happy with the purchase. my buds are rock hard and frosted and my temps are way down. my room has yet to even hit 80 degrees this calendar year, even during the hot days.

here is where we're at as of a few days ago. some deficiencies in this shot, but those have to do with neglect from my partner, not anything to do with the lights...
 

Little Dog

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I run 8 cxb3590 for a total 300w passively cooled in a 38x21 enclosed cabinet with only 2 axial fans to remove heat and no ac and the temp stays at 83° all year long. WeWe' talking a very tight space. 200w of compact fluorescent in the same space ran over 90° and there's no way in hell I could run any hid in there since the 600w heats up my entire bathroom. Remember with led less energy is converted to heat thru its efficiency and there is significantly less ir heat as well. Just fyi in my setup the hestsink temp is about 112°, which is less than the operating temps of most compact fluorescent bulbs. I don't have the quantum boards yet so I can't speak on those but I hear they also run cool
Thank you very much. Real life setups are the most respected. And I can easily relate to what you're saying. More good food for thought. I can see I have homework to do. Appreciate the reply.
 

Little Dog

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my qb600h run FAR cooler than my air-cooled 600w hps did. starting this run in late winter i actually had issues with the room being way too cold, which i didn't ever experience using the hps. i had to run the heater longer than usual as a result. that being said, this panel is flowering out my 4x4 very nicely @~475w (i got it with a potentiometer)

i am really happy with the purchase. my buds are rock hard and frosted and my temps are way down. my room has yet to even hit 80 degrees this calendar year, even during the hot days.

here is where we're at as of a few days ago. some deficiencies in this shot, but those have to do with neglect from my partner, not anything to do with the lights...
#Goats22, thanks. Could I ask one question? I run two 600's from side to side with light movers. They don't move far. But that's 1200 watts total over my 41/2 X 61/2 Aeroflow grow area. Would you think I'd need (2) 600H's to replace the (2) 600 HPS bulbs. Or could I run my light mover the long way instead of side to side. And only use the one 600H? I'm not wanting to lose production by being underpowered. But I don't need overkill either. Either way is fine. But I would think I'd only need one unit. I'm just a little lost in all the information I've read over the last few days. They say ignorance is bliss. But I'm not so sure of that. I'm feeling pretty ignorant, but pretty anxious too. Any and all advice or help much appreciated.
 
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Little Dog

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I run 8 cxb3590 for a total 300w passively cooled in a 38x21 enclosed cabinet with only 2 axial fans to remove heat and no ac and the temp stays at 83° all year long. We're talking a very tight space. 200w of compact fluorescent in the same space ran over 90° and there's no way in hell I could run any hid in there since the 600w heats up my entire bathroom. Remember with led less energy is converted to heat thru its efficiency and there is significantly less ir heat as well. Just fyi in my setup the hestsink temp is about 112°, which is less than the operating temps of most compact fluorescent bulbs. I don't have the quantum boards yet so I can't speak on those but I hear they also run cool
Information much appreciated. Thank you sir. All info welcome. Pretty amazing.
 
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Goats22

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#Goats22, thanks. Could I ask one question? I run two 600's from side to side with light movers. They don't move far. But that's 1200 watts total over my 41/2 X 61/2 Aeroflow grow area. Would you think I'd need (2) 600H's to replace the (2) 600 HPS bulbs. Or could I run my light mover the long way instead of side to side. And only use the one 600H? I'm not wanting to lose production by being underpowered. But I don't need overkill either. Either way is fine. I'm just a little lost in all the information I've read over the last few days. They say ignorance is bliss. But I'm not so sure of that. I'm feeling pretty ignorant, but pretty anxious too. Any and all advice or help much appreciated.
running at the full 620w, the 600h would be 21.2w/sq ft for that footprint which isn't great, but you have the light mover so i want to think it would be fine. 2 is undoubtedly overkill. remember that at full power it will need to be 24-30 inches above the plants for optimal coverage. that being said, i am by no means the best person for questions on qbs. there is a thread on RIU all about them with a lot of people much smarter than me who will answer all your questions.
 

Little Dog

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running at the full 620w, the 600h would be 21.2w/sq ft for that footprint which isn't great, but you have the light mover so i want to think it would be fine. 2 is undoubtedly overkill. remember that at full power it will need to be 24-30 inches above the plants for optimal coverage. that being said, i am by no means the best person for questions on qbs. there is a thread on RIU all about them with a lot of people much smarter than me who will answer all your questions.
Thank you sir. That's where I'm going right now. I do appreciate your time. And for much more info than I had. Thanks.
 

slow drawl

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How much light is that plant getting at the canopy level? If its less than ~800 PPFD, there's your problem.
I'm not savvy enough to answer that question. The light is a Blackdog Phytomax 400 ( My buddies light).
About 16" from canopy. Feels fairly intense to me.
 

whytewidow

Well-Known Member
Hey guys! I hope I'm not out of line with this. But this is my most favorite thread. And I certainly trust and value each one of you guys opinion. (Some a little more than others. Lol) So please help an old, "old school" guy out if you will. So here goes. I use two Blockbuster 600 watt (Hortilux bulbs) hoods over an Aeroflow 60 site, with two light movers going from side to side. My total footprint is about 41/2 X 61/2. I'm satisfied with my grow, as it is. But I would like to get away from the heat being produced, and hopefully up the quality of my grow somewhat. (Who doesn't, right!) And cut back on the AC usage. Which of these would you suggest? And how many would I need to replace my HPS bulbs. I only flower, no real veg time in my setup. The

(1) Specification:

LEDs: CREE XLAMP CXB3590
Cooling: Passive Heatsink (No fan)
3500K Warm White
CRI: 80
umol/ watt 2.1
Forward Foltage: 36V
Max Current Drive: 3600ma
Actual Power Draw: 54 watts
COB Max Power: 132 Watts
Net weight: 1.5KG.

(2) Or the HLG- 600H with new V2 Quantum Boards.

(3) Or the Fluence SpydrX or SpyderX plus.

This may not be the place to ask. But I feel as if I somewhat know all you guys here. This is a big step for me. I've only used HID's forever, nothing else. But I don't want to stay behind, if getting up to date is the thing. Thanks for any help.
You may look into strips as well. I run Samsung F series gen 3s and I love them. Pretty much the samething as qbs. Just chopped up. Both have their own advantages. I switched from hps to led and couldn't be happier.
 

LrnLvGrw

Well-Known Member
Hey guys! I hope I'm not out of line with this. But this is my most favorite thread. And I certainly trust and value each one of you guys opinion. (Some a little more than others. Lol) So please help an old, "old school" guy out if you will. So here goes. I use two Blockbuster 600 watt (Hortilux bulbs) hoods over an Aeroflow 60 site, with two light movers going from side to side. My total footprint is about 41/2 X 61/2. I'm satisfied with my grow, as it is. But I would like to get away from the heat being produced, and hopefully up the quality of my grow somewhat. (Who doesn't, right!) And cut back on the AC usage. Which of these would you suggest? And how many would I need to replace my HPS bulbs. I only flower, no real veg time in my setup. The

(1) Specification:

LEDs: CREE XLAMP CXB3590
Cooling: Passive Heatsink (No fan)
3500K Warm White
CRI: 80
umol/ watt 2.1
Forward Foltage: 36V
Max Current Drive: 3600ma
Actual Power Draw: 54 watts
COB Max Power: 132 Watts
Net weight: 1.5KG.

(2) Or the HLG- 600H with new V2 Quantum Boards.

(3) Or the Fluence SpydrX or SpyderX plus.

This may not be the place to ask. But I feel as if I somewhat know all you guys here. This is a big step for me. I've only used HID's forever, nothing else. But I don't want to stay behind, if getting up to date is the thing. Thanks for any help.
Use your hoods. Take the bulb out. Get 1/8 inch sheet of aluminum cut to the dimensions of the glass(this will go in place of the glass) Put 3 qb288 on each plate. Driver goes on top of the plate (in the hood). Use a meanwell b type driver so you can run a potentiometer to the outside of the hood so you can dim. Air cool as your doing. Higher up front cost using 3 qb's but you can run them softer and have a more equal light distribution.
 

Sour Wreck

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Funk is good for you but a bitter substance. :P

I've been thinking of making some Rick Simpson oil with Ethanol and I believe the Chlorophyll from the plant is one of the ingredients that help make the whole medicine.
It's like concentrated wheat grass juice, all of the cannabinoids and terpenes - essence of the plant.
i have seen them juice cannabis leaves on the show 'bong appetit'.
 
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