Grow#2: White Russian & Serious Chronic

^ also agreeable ff and an = big diffrence look at the mixes on the labels, you get what you PAY for

aknight3 said:

just to follow up however he is right about the n in bloom nutes, usual grow nutes have like 2.0% nitrogren while AN nutes bloom style have like between 1.0-1.5 % n so just using those he should be fine and also i use the same nutes as you so u should be okay i suusally use AN gro,micro,bloom, humic and fulvic acid, bud blood, big bud, carboload, overdrive and final phase, i know it sounds like overkill and a waste of money but hey thats what works thats what i use, just saying though u should be okay with nitrogren, maybe mix some eggshells up in water for a day that will give u some added N in your next watering

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How long do you veg your plants? You give them SensiGrow during that period? Sensi Grow is 6.2-2.2-5.7 - ~45% N

Connisseur is 6.7-5.7-10 ~ 25%N

I'm not saying it's not high N for a bloom base nute, I'm saying I like to add a wee bit more to make it to the end. To each their own though. It's what I have found to work. But then I use SensiBloom also which has less N than connissuer, you may find different results, but I'm thinking that N defeciency will catch up with you by Week 6 if you run bloom enhancers and reduce your Connissuer

So, if I understand you correctly your basically saying that the Advanced Bloom formulas are off, and they put inadequate amounts of N in their bloom nutes? And by week 6 your going to want a decrease in N...

laserbrn said:

How long do you veg your plants? You give them SensiGrow during that period? Sensi Grow is 6.2-2.2-5.7 - ~45% N

Connisseur is 6.7-5.7-10 ~ 25%N

I'm not saying it's not high N for a bloom base nute, I'm saying I like to add a wee bit more to make it to the end. To each their own though. It's what I have found to work. But then I use SensiBloom also which has less N than connissuer, you may find different results, but I'm thinking that N defeciency will catch up with you by Week 6 if you run bloom enhancers and reduce your Connissuer

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to clarify, i understand you said this quote" I'm not saying it's not high N for a bloom base nute", but the ratios of N in the sensi bloom are measured carefully-they dont need more-you dont wanna overfeed with N, as im sure(or i hope) you already know..

lol, sorry Vape, to bogart your thread like this.All this b.s. equates to one point: adding sensi grow during bloom wont hurt, but your connoisseur has everything you need for flower. Back to my original statement:if your running into an N def, try upping your dosage a little.

your not supposed to top or cut serious chronic, it doesn't react well to it, you lose yield instead of gaining

Chronic can produce up to 600 g/m2 without losing that connoisseur feeling. Grows a single huge central bud with few side branches. Do not top plants to encourage multiple big buds, as this strain does not respond well. Mild, sweet smell develops while flowering, take care to dry thoroughly after harvest (before packaging) to maintain this subtle fragrance.

taken from serious's website

Thats actually straight up false. I questioned Simon on this very topic after topping Chronic with good results-His response was that since that statement was made, hes seen good results with Chronic, and that it was plant specific..Topping Chronic is fine. Write him an email if you need clarification, and check out his response..

easygrinder said:

your not supposed to top or cut serious chronic, it doesn't react well to it, you lose yield instead of gaining

Chronic can produce up to 600 g/m2 without losing that connoisseur feeling. Grows a single huge central bud with few side branches. Do not top plants to encourage multiple big buds, as this strain does not respond well. Mild, sweet smell develops while flowering, take care to dry thoroughly after harvest (before packaging) to maintain this subtle fragrance.

taken from serious's website

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skywalker1 said:

So, if I understand you correctly your basically saying that the Advanced Bloom formulas are off, and they put inadequate amounts of N in their bloom nutes? And by week 6 your going to want a decrease in N...

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Yes. If you grow small plants that were not on SensiGrow or not long enough and have an N defeciency ALREADY at the beginning of flower, AN's SensiBloom nutes anway don't have enough and you will start to loose leaves.

Particularly if you then cut the SensiBloom and in order to use Bloom Enhancers that don't contain N.

heres the email.. Hi JN,
I will forward this email also to our forum master, so he can answer you. I don't know about it.

The Chronic can be cloned from very well. The sugestion to not clip only had to do with a better end result in yield. In a test the yield was better from the not topped plants.

But since then I have seen very good results from topped plants also, so I suspect that the experiment we did many years ago was influenced by something else.

In other words: 1) taking clones is no problem, and 2) it seems that topping might not have a bad effect on yield. In fact if there is a high risk of grey mold attacking the plants, clipping is probably a good idea. The main buds are bulkier and have mold sooner then buds grown on sidebranches.

Good luck!

Sincerely,
Simon

If you ask Vape what his feeding regiment was however, he was using plain water for a while, and didnt have a base grow nute for awhile-so this isnt an issue about sensi being N deprived...its underfeeding

laserbrn said:

Yes. If you grow small plants that were not on SensiGrow or not long enough and have an N defeciency ALREADY at the beginning of flower, AN's SensiBloom nutes anway don't have enough and you will start to loose leaves.

Particularly if you then cut the SensiBloom and in order to use Bloom Enhancers that don't contain N.

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actually i dont even think he had a grow nute at all-which would explain the N def.Vape can clarify when he wakes up lol

anyway, i think weve covered all this shit pretty much to the max of debating..the connoisseur will be fine for all of bloom as long as your feeding ratios are correct..

hey guys. Quite the debate, eh?

I never used grow nutes. Once I got them i put them straight into 12/12 because of space.

1. The Chronic is doing AWESOME even though one of the main branches pretty much cracked in half (my fault) Topping this plant was probably a great idea, the tops are beautiful and i will take pictures tonight.

2. I've been seeing alot of false NPK claims for the nutes im using. They are as follows.

Connoisseur A. 4.9-0-3.6 (bloom)
Connoisseur B. 1.5-5.1-6.4 (bloom)
BigBud (liquid) 0-2-4
Liquid CarboLoad - no NPK givin

The White Russians, which are the plants that HAD yellow leaves are still in small half gallon SOG pots with a mix of 50%HappyFrog and 50%Seedling Starter Mix. They will be thrown into 1 gallon pots and mix with straight Happy Frog and pearlight.

Although, the leaves pretty much fell off with a tap of my finger, i can start seeing signs of yellowing on the next set of fan leaves. I will up the dosage of Part A for the added N.

I dont mind any debates on my thread, more people will see it that way. I read 4 pages of this debate so i dont know what else to say because tere is too much lol!

my next grow, ill have grow nutes ready to be used so this N problem shouldnt be an issue. Stay tuned for pics tonight.

skywalker1 said:

Thats actually straight up false. I questioned Simon on this very topic after topping Chronic with good results-His response was that since that statement was made, hes seen good results with Chronic, and that it was plant specific..Topping Chronic is fine. Write him an email if you need clarification, and check out his response..

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It just goes to show you, no matter how good you think the source of the information is, what is in print is not always correct. Sometimes what people do that contradicts what is written works well also.

I have grown chronic a few times, i haven't ever topped it because the serious seeds website advises against it, i kind of expected them to know what they were talking about.

easygrinder, look back at some older pics The dark green bushy plant i have most pics of is a topped Chronic. Definitely a good idea to top this plant

VaporBros said:

easygrinder, look back at some older pics The dark green bushy plant i have most pics of is a topped Chronic. Definitely a good idea to top this plant

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have you given one a good veg yet and see how a big a central cola you can get?

i'm always playing around with plant placement, distance between plants and the way i would like them to come out.

I'm currently growing some sensi seeds hash plant in a 4ftx4ft budbox.

Last time out i did some white russian some serious bubblegum some th seeds heavy duty fruity.

I had about 16 females which i reduced to 12 in the end due to crowding. 16 females is 1 per square foot. 12 was 1 per 1.33 sq foot.

The yield i got was ok, but i kept feeling like there was wasted space.

This time i only have 8 in veg, one strain and i'm aiming for 4 females at 1 per 4 sq foot. I'm going to give them an extended veg time as this time they are 100% indica instead of the indica sativa mix i tried last time.

I've given them a wider root foot print to allow for a more bushier plant above and i don't intend on trimming anything back.

The main cola is always the biggest bud even if you top, you get good side buds but they still don't compare to a main cola, so i never really want to lose that.

So my aim is this time is to promote the growth of branches during veg and by giving an extended veg time to let the plant get super bushy so it owns that 4sq foot, the side branches should up a little bit below the main cola and still provide the topped effect to the side branches without having taken the main cola.

I'm fully expecting to get at least 6 ounces per plant which would give me a total of 24+ ounces from 4 plants.

Although you have had good results with topping which i am in no way knocking, when you cut part of a plant off, it does take time to heal, so it reduces its growth while it does so, which is why i personally opt to go more natural.

growing is always a personal choice and whatever each choice each person makes was the right one for them at the time, i'm sure you'll be doing lots of experiment in the future also.

experimenting is more important than listening to other people give you hand me down information that rarely gets tested

i agree 100%. I already have a few experiments id like to try on my next indoor grows. I dont happen to have any veg lights so i couldnt veg it any longer. I believe Skywalker1 has 2 Chronics that he topped and has now decided to keep as mothers. Theya re still vegging, so maybe he can post a pic to see how nice the topping actually gets?

My space is really what limits me. I guess growing anything "micro" is going to be harder than just letting plants go on their own. Easier to fuck shit up with such small pots. Hopefully soon i will upgrade to a tent or build a bigger box.

VaporBros said:

i agree 100%. I already have a few experiments id like to try on my next indoor grows. I dont happen to have any veg lights so i couldnt veg it any longer. I believe Skywalker1 has 2 Chronics that he topped and has now decided to keep as mothers. Theya re still vegging, so maybe he can post a pic to see how nice the topping actually gets?

My space is really what limits me. I guess growing anything "micro" is going to be harder than just letting plants go on their own. Easier to fuck shit up with such small pots. Hopefully soon i will upgrade to a tent or build a bigger box.

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i've built my own boxes before, but by time you got the wood and the screws and all the other little bits you need your not far behind the price of a tent, i resented tents for some time as i used to have quite an open space to grow in, i just wish i had done a tent sooner, its just all so easy and when you need it to it collapses and goes straight back up again, plus its all self contaned and its got all the things you need in the place you need them. Plus it saves you the hassle of bulding the damn box

I also agree 100%. I was giving a suggestion based upon my past growing experience, not information I've read on this forum. The information on this forum contradicts my information, but I've found better results doing it my way and found many people on here that used to do it the other way and fight me and have since switched and been happy.

The problem always arises when people believe there's only one way to grow a plant. That's just not the case and we can't look at everything as a debate.

laserbrn said:

I also agree 100%. I was giving a suggestion based upon my past growing experience, not information I've read on this forum. The information on this forum contradicts my information, but I've found better results doing it my way and found many people on here that used to do it the other way and fight me and have since switched and been happy.

The problem always arises when people believe there's only one way to grow a plant. That's just not the case and we can't look at everything as a debate.

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every debate i get in on this site is because of this reason alone, i couldn't give a shit how someone wants to grow, i don't go around telling peole their grow is shit and they should do it my way, its up to people how they grow and i have no idea of their circumstances, the bit that gets my goat though is when someone says something is set in stone, just like that other lighting thread we were on, the point i always make and try to get a across is that there is more than one way to skin a cat