I started a thread in the newbe section but that was a mistake so im starting over here. the op really started in 2/08. learned everything I know, I dont know much, from this book I got a borders on hydro designs and growing. Would like to know how people feel about what they see and think about my desighns. You will see I had a lot of obsticles to overcome but I am glad about the way things worked out. I had many a late night in the garden and changed my mind about so many things. Ill post this and start posting pics.