GROWING organic with BIO CANNA

Sup. I am using the complete line from Bio Canna this run which consists of:
*Bio vega
*Bio Flores
*Bio Boost
*Rhyzotonic
*Cannazym
Has anyone else tried using this stuff. I herd it is impossible to get in USA so I guess that question is limited. But they are currently working on a formula that can pass the border.
If you have , tell me about your experience with it.

aye StickySticky. I live in Michigan and only one hydro store in the whole state i believe carries Canna at all (don't quote me on that but out of like 10 stores I've been to, only one does carry them) I switched over from Advanced Nutrients Iguana Juice and a few of their additives to just Flores/Bio Boost/Rhizotonic. (plus some guano's)

I will go as far to say that Rhizotonic is THEE best additive anyone can use for almost every stage of growth. (PERIOD)

Bio Flores is a great product as well. 50% Vinasse? (incorrect spelling maybe) but either way its fermented molasses and then some rock phosphate in there as well. Also i read somewhere that the bio flores/vega also contain the same ingredient thats actually in rhizotonic (oligosaccharides, again could be wrong on spelling) Either way I have had no problems/nothing but great results from bio canna products.

I have been told that they say that bio boost and a PK 13/14 can be used together but from experience you will have early yellowing.

Canna also recommends to use Bio Vega 2 weeks into flower or whenever buds/hairs start to form. I have found that to be a nice way to transition them into flower. Once full flower hits, depending on the stain and if it can handle heavy feedings, you can go over the recommended does of 15ml per gal to 20ml for Bio Flores.Hands down produced some of the best tasting bud I've grown to date. What you may have herd about crossing the border is either their new product Bio Rhizotonic which is only in the UK, or their special soil that is designed to go along with this Canna Bio line is not being shipped here due to health regulations, some ingredients in the soil are considered harmful in the US but are regulated in the UK.

I cant think of anything else to tell ya. If ya need to know more lemme know.

Stickystickyganja said:

View attachment 1869362View attachment 1869361View attachment 1869360View attachment 1869359Sup. I am using the complete line from Bio Canna this run which consists of:
*Bio vega
*Bio Flores
*Bio Boost
*Rhyzotonic
*Cannazym
Has anyone else tried using this stuff. I herd it is impossible to get in USA so I guess that question is limited. But they are currently working on a formula that can pass the border.
If you have , tell me about your experience with it.

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Wait what???? Where did you hear this from?? A formula that can pass the border?.CANNA products have been available in the USA for awhile and are very POSSIBLE to get. Almost every hydro store I have ever walked into has carried the entire CANNA line including mediums, etc. Almost all online stores carry it as well.

I started with running the whole BioCanna lineup. I personally did not like it as a stand alone. I have added a bunch of things to my regimen and soil to make up for some of the issues that I had. I tried running it over recommended doses, but had issues when I did. I would recommend using a mycorhizzae innoculation every 2-3 weeks. Otherwise the build up can accumulate.

The problems that I had with BioCanna was early Nitrogen deficiency in flower. I ended up having to further my usage of vega into weeks 3 and 4 of flowering which in turn caused some issues with prolonging the flowering period. I ended up adding in a different organic nutrient as base and supplement with the Bio Canna line. It has a lot of great stuff that it brings to the plate, but not enough for me to run it alone.

I personally run a completely organic set up and try to be about as OMRI as I can be. Rhizotonic and Cannazym are NOT organic nutrients. Though many say that they are highly refined to the point of being organic. If this bothers you, you can switch to a different root tonic. GH Rapid Start, GO Bio Root, or Roots Excelurator are 3 options. I personally have been using the H & G Roots Excelurator. It is the most expensive out there, but I have never had such vigorous root growth and cleanliness as I now have. And you only use 1ml/gallon so a small bottle lasts a long time.

And Fooseball, I also live in Michigan and know what you are talking about. It comes down to a money thing and Canna wants the distributors to invest in $50,000 worth of product for a company to run their line. In Michigan so far the only place that I have found to carry ANY Canna products, is Superior Growers Supply.

When I first started running the bio line I encountered pretty much the same problem. Early yellowing being the main one. I have always kept my soil alive with products such as Roots Organics Organism XL/Great White/Tarantula (free sample would never pay that much). Also I brew my own AACT about once a week, all the way through week 8 of flower.

How I fixed this early yellowing during flower was not to add something during flower but something more during veg. I started using Sunleaves Mexican Bat Guano hardcore. I mean with every veg watering it had Mexican Bat Guano in there. All my plants stayed dark green throughout flower until week 6 or so but I feel that's normal for my strains that I have. I feel that because my plants had so much Mexican Guano in the soil for veg, that they were drawing up what they needed during flower because I'm sure there was some leftover guano in there. Whatever happened all i know is I had one of the best yields across the board. Yields were up and quality was through the roof when I switched to Canna Bio.

Well I guess there are 2 stores in Michigan that carry them. I've never been to SGS but have always wanted to go, they look like the mini-walmart of hydro stores. I purchased my Canna Bio from Cultivation Station. My favorite hydro store in Michigan is Advanced Gardening Solutions on Hall road and Heidenreich, not even for the selection but for the employees. They have a good selection of everything from fox farms to house & garden, but the employees are so helpful, knowledgeable, friendly, and will go above and beyond to help you out.

I've been using it for a while now, and I like it. I only used the vega, flores, and bioboost, with added EJ mircoblast, maxicrop seaweed and some P suppliment. Teas of course help a lot, and I brew one every other watering. I like using it with amended soil, but considering I have to outsource a bunch of the stuff I just stuck to soil-less (promix) with the line-up mentioned above. I feed heavy before flowering with vega, which seems to help out with any future deficiencies. I keep vega in the mix up until wk 6 and it seems to work out for me. I also had to use mircoblast every watering pretty much, especially since I changed to RO... but really, I haven't ran into too many problems, I just try to keep it simple and keep 'em green.

All in all, it's a good line up, but sometimes you gotta feed heavy.

That's pretty interesting UTA. I had problems with my run when I used the Vega for so long. I ran it to week 4 and then hit it with a High Phos Guano, and that plant ended up running for around 11 weeks. I cut it back to week 2 and 3 in my next runs and my flowering time shortened to 8-9 weeks. What is the heaviest that you feed with it? I normally won't go above 15ml. It is just so heavy. I had to add in another nutrient base with it to help make up for my issues. I ended up throwing more amendments into the soil also. I started adding Lime and have also started adding Azomite and humus. I want to basically be able to add everything to the promix and water in the nutrients, boosters, and kelp extracts.

The Bio Canna line in my opinion was built for a pretty hot soil. Dont use FFOF, that stuff is toxic (unless you cut 1/3 with light warrior), instead use Root Organics, with RainBow Mix Grow in it. Then give it some Vega after your well rooted plant has been in that soil for 3-4 weeks, and use it lightly. The RainBow Mix will feed your plant for 3mo, but with food hungry weed its not that long, then when you switch to 12/12 keep giving it Vega until your plants are done stretching and start to actually show sighs of sex, then start using the Flores. ( You wont need to use too much of the Vega 'cause the RainBow Mix )
KEEPS IT ORGANIC, AND EASY TO MAINTAIN, WITH JUST AS GOOD OF A YIELD.

NightbirdX said:

That's pretty interesting UTA. I had problems with my run when I used the Vega for so long. I ran it to week 4 and then hit it with a High Phos Guano, and that plant ended up running for around 11 weeks. I cut it back to week 2 and 3 in my next runs and my flowering time shortened to 8-9 weeks. What is the heaviest that you feed with it? I normally won't go above 15ml. It is just so heavy. I had to add in another nutrient base with it to help make up for my issues. I ended up throwing more amendments into the soil also. I started adding Lime and have also started adding Azomite and humus. I want to basically be able to add everything to the promix and water in the nutrients, boosters, and kelp extracts.

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The highest I ever feed is 25ml, but not too often. I keep the ranges between 15-20ml (mixture of both Vega and Flores), 10ml humboldt organic bloom, 5ml Mircoblast, and sometimes I add random amounts of bioboost just whatever I'm in the mood for really.

I'm thinking I might up it to 20ml on the weeks prior to me using Budswel. The budswel is nothing but refined phosphorus guano really, so I think I would get away with bombing it with 20ml then hitting it with the guano after so that residuals would still be in the soil and the plants would have the buildup to feed on for other nutrients as well as getting the phosphorous bump. That is one of the biggest lacking things that I have noticed with BioCanna, it really lacks in Nitrogen in veg and phosphorous in bloom. But if you know how to properly counter these issues, it works great. I actually like the BioCanna better in Bloom because it has a higher Nit value than Pureblend Bloom which I use as a base, but in veg Pureblend has a higher Nit value that I like better and it is more readily available than the BioCanna which needs to break down a bit before it becomes available.

I have been thinking of making the switch to the canna bio line myself, the only possible thing I read thats bad about it is the cost. I am thinking of taking the kushman veganic approach though. I dont know if you guys are feeding veg nutes in early flower but I've come across a few things about the canna bio (this also applies to basically any bottled veg and flower nutes) that recommend feeding full dose veg nutes for the first 2 weeks of 12/12 and then going 50/50 veg/bloom for the 3rd and then dropping the veg nutes after that for indica's and the same thing except add a week of full veg nutes for longer flowering sativas. It definitely helps in keeping them green all the way till you start flushing and then the nice fade is supposed to come in, as I said supposed to. I'm on week 5 of trying this so I have a few more weeks to go if not more (not with canna though). I'm not sure if you've heard of veganics or any of that but its base is the canna bio line and then techniflora's soluable seaweed and humbolts bloom is added once you start feeding bloom nutes 100%, they recommend 2 enzymes also. Search out kushmans veganics or veganics with matt rize, I feel like I should be getting paid by these guys for mentioning veganics 2 days in a row, but check out kush mans site as well as matt rize, I've learned quite a few things from the info they've posted.

NightbirdX said:

I'm thinking I might up it to 20ml on the weeks prior to me using Budswel. The budswel is nothing but refined phosphorus guano really, so I think I would get away with bombing it with 20ml then hitting it with the guano after so that residuals would still be in the soil and the plants would have the buildup to feed on for other nutrients as well as getting the phosphorous bump. That is one of the biggest lacking things that I have noticed with BioCanna, it really lacks in Nitrogen in veg and phosphorous in bloom. But if you know how to properly counter these issues, it works great. I actually like the BioCanna better in Bloom because it has a higher Nit value than Pureblend Bloom which I use as a base, but in veg Pureblend has a higher Nit value that I like better and it is more readily available than the BioCanna which needs to break down a bit before it becomes available.

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It's strange because I think we are using the same media (promix) so I don't see why our opinions on the Vega would be different. I remember the first time I used the vega to correct a deficiency on my Cat. Kush and it fixed it quickly. I also remember reading since it's plant based it works faster than an animal based product. I don't know if that is scientifically proven or not but I did notice it working quickly. But yeah, the vega is great for me, I haven't had to use anything else with it for veg since I got it. I think if you're fighting heavy deficiencies then I can see it not working as well, but if you use it right before you really need it and use it throughout without letting any problems arise I think it should work out great.

whitey78 said:

I have been thinking of making the switch to the canna bio line myself, the only possible thing I read thats bad about it is the cost. I am thinking of taking the kushman veganic approach though. I dont know if you guys are feeding veg nutes in early flower but I've come across a few things about the canna bio (this also applies to basically any bottled veg and flower nutes) that recommend feeding full dose veg nutes for the first 2 weeks of 12/12 and then going 50/50 veg/bloom for the 3rd and then dropping the veg nutes after that for indica's and the same thing except add a week of full veg nutes for longer flowering sativas.

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Right on. I feed with full strength vega the first two wks, or until the stretch is gone. Then I mix up both vega and flores till around week 6, depending on the strain I'm working with. I've noticed better results in my system keeping the vega on later. I'll also drop ppms according to what I see going on...

It definitely helps in keeping them green all the way till you start flushing and then the nice fade is supposed to come in, as I said supposed to. I'm on week 5 of trying this so I have a few more weeks to go if not more (not with canna though). I'm not sure if you've heard of veganics or any of that but its base is the canna bio line and then techniflora's soluable seaweed and humbolts bloom is added once you start feeding bloom nutes 100%, they recommend 2 enzymes also.

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I also use the humboldts bloom, but not the technaflora stuff.

Search out kushmans veganics or veganics with matt rize, I feel like I should be getting paid by these guys for mentioning veganics 2 days in a row, but check out kush mans site as well as matt rize, I've learned quite a few things from the info they've posted.

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Lol, Rize should pay his marketing team, he's been slacking on that.

upthearsenal said:

It's strange because I think we are using the same media (promix) so I don't see why our opinions on the Vega would be different. I remember the first time I used the vega to correct a deficiency on my Cat. Kush and it fixed it quickly. I also remember reading since it's plant based it works faster than an animal based product. I don't know if that is scientifically proven or not but I did notice it working quickly. But yeah, the vega is great for me, I haven't had to use anything else with it for veg since I got it. I think if you're fighting heavy deficiencies then I can see it not working as well, but if you use it right before you really need it and use it throughout without letting any problems arise I think it should work out great.

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I tend to feed a little bit lighter during veg because I've gone overboard and burned the plants a few times. I'll up my dosages earlier in veg and see if that helps. IME with the BioCanna line it normally takes about a week for issues to correct themselves. I've noticed other organic products help my deficiencies clear up faster. I always thought that was because they were a bit more refined and didn't need to break down as much, and thought that the BioCanna line had to break down a bit before the nutrients became fully available.

I used to do Vega til week 3 and then mixed Vega and Flores until week five, but I noticed that a lot of my strains were setting in for a 10-11 week flowering time. When I started using guanos. My times dropped by a couple weeks. Some of them "could" be pulled at week 7, but I normally let them go 8-9 weeks.

Lol ya I remember a couple of yahoos about a year or so ago searching around for veganics information also. You remember that UTA? lol

growing with biocanna is so easy that its actually hard for a lot of people.

In a soilless medium, i prefer sunshine advanced #4. Stir in plenty of innoculant i prefer xtreme mykos.

from rooted clones to 2 weeks before flower, per gallon, feed 10ml vega, 1tsp GO calmag. supplement with enzyme, rhizotonic, thrivealive, silica.

2 weeks before flowering, same thing but up the vega to 16ml.

first 2 weeks flower same thing, 16mlvega, 1tsp calmag, 8ml bioboost. Ditch the rhizotonic and thrive alive at 7days. add humic and fulvic along with enzyme and silica.

3rd week of flower run 8mlvega,8ml flores, 1tsp calmag, 16ml bioboost. same supplements

4th week to the start of flush 16ml flores, 1tsp calmag, 16ml bioboost same supplements. technaflora dry kelp at 1/4tsp per gallon maybe once a week.

Thats a pretty basic guide. Read the plants. Dont be afraid to feed heavy with the vega/flores. The supplements i use according to the directions on the bottle. Bioboost is fully worth the cost nothing else compares. PH your nute mix to 6.3 and use RO water. Feed compost tea once a week, dont mess with ph of the tea. Foliar sprays of thrivealive(kelp) with a wetting agent during veg and first week of 12/12.

oh hey, my ears are burning.

I'm adding in lots of EWC to my mix, also kelp meal and alfalfa meal. Also neem cake, dolomite lime, and inoculant from BioAg

Then the BioCanna line
General O's Calmag and root whatever
ProteKt Silica
Bioag's Humic, Fulvic, TM-7, and Seaweed
Compost Tea
Hygrozyme
molasses, yucca, and aloe vera juices.

Summitoker. Why would you ph your mix? Do you even understand PH and soil and organics? Any medium other then soil or soiless soil. Not coco. they have a neut for that. Or perolite or anything like it, they have a neut for that. Or rockwool, are we catching on. You all have no real idea what your doing.
nightbirdx. All, and i mean all wrong. You dont even know why you have problems. You just guess and then pass on wrong info. I've grown with BioCanna for over 2 years and with THEIR soil in the beginning, before they had a problem with a supplier. not any rules. The only thing they lack is cal mag, silicone and a little extra molasses at week 5 and 6, they have the proper amount of molasses in the Bioflores. Cal mag and silicone are important here because our government takes it out. Not in Europe where they make it. If you dont use the BioBoost your defeating the point. Also cannazyme is supposed to be used in every watering till last week along with riz. No soil with fertilizers added. Also Never water to drain. only water till wet with only a little seepage at worst. Every time you water till runout your washing out all the micros you built in the soil. Root control pots are also VERY important. We grow over 3lbs per 1000 watt light of any and every strain we run.

cannasutra said:

Summitoker. Why would you ph your mix? Do you even understand PH and soil and organics? Any medium other then soil or soiless soil. Not coco. they have a neut for that. Or perolite or anything like it, they have a neut for that. Or rockwool, are we catching on. You all have no real idea what your doing.
nightbirdx. All, and i mean all wrong. You dont even know why you have problems. You just guess and then pass on wrong info. I've grown with BioCanna for over 2 years and with THEIR soil in the beginning, before they had a problem with a supplier. not any rules. The only thing they lack is cal mag, silicone and a little extra molasses at week 5 and 6, they have the proper amount of molasses in the Bioflores. Cal mag and silicone are important here because our government takes it out. Not in Europe where they make it. If you dont use the BioBoost your defeating the point. Also cannazyme is supposed to be used in every watering till last week along with riz. No soil with fertilizers added. Also Never water to drain. only water till wet with only a little seepage at worst. Every time you water till runout your washing out all the micros you built in the soil. Root control pots are also VERY important. We grow over 3lbs per 1000 watt light of any and every strain we run.

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3lbs per 1k? Pics or it didn't happen.

upthearsenal said:

3lbs per 1k? Pics or it didn't happen.

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^^^^^What he said....

I HAVE ONE BURNING QUESTION: DO YOU PH ORGANICS, AND IF SO WHAT DO YOU USE TO NOT KILL MICROS?

I always ph my solution before feeding my plants
I use 24hr old aerated water (to lose the chlorine)
my tap water: ph7.0, 40ppm
Bio-Canna on 4 plants, General Organics on 4 plants, Roots Organics Soil in Both, Root pots

Im sure you all have noticed but rhizo and canazyme by them selves put you at a 8.0+

Used to use GH up and down, now im using Mad Farmer up and down 'cause it says right on the bottle "good for organics", Earth Juice makes and up and down, so does Safer.
WTF do ya do. Know one can come up with a sound answer.