Growing Under White LED, Anyone Else Doing This?

This is my understanding and experience to date with Far Red...

I do not want to misdirect anyone... I am not a master gardener, plant biologist etc...
I am very knowledgeable about lighting and electricity, dad was a electrician and lighting engineer...
He nearly found out about my growing many years ago when he found a HPS lamp I had sitting around...

When I converted to LED at the start of this year I started with the white LED Flood lamps. I knew they lacked in the Deep and Far Red areas of the spectrum. This is why I purchased the Greenpower LEDs to enhance the red.

I did not know how much "Red" or type I needed, Philips was not going to give me a "lighting recipe" for pot. I guessed when I bought 4 white/deep red bulbs, 1 Far Red bulb, and 1 white/deep red/far red bulb.
If I could do it over I would have NOT bought the Far Red products I would have purchased just the White and Deep Red lamps.

The Far Red Bulb was about 10% of my overall lighting which was too much and caused plant stretching beyond what one experiences with HPS, I did not have enough Blue to balance the amount of FR in my set up.
I caused undesirable results with constant use in my set-up in the first two weeks of flowering. I stopped using the Far Red. I Possibly cause some other issues too as I have learned more.

I have learned from this forum and reading some journal articles that enhancing the Far Red of the spectrum can be used to manipulate plants. Currently I do not fully understand this science...
One technique is end of day lighting with Far Red and at the simple level is used to tell the plant it is the end of day and it may help speed flowering.

I am planning to do a re-wire of my cabinet so as to try End of Day Far Red treatments some time in the future. Due to the power of the bulb it will only need to be on for no more than 5 minutes.
I still have more study to do before I implement this...

Hope this helps with explaining my experience with Far Red
 

SnotBoogie

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You should check out the page about phytochromes on wikipedia ALTG.

The speeding to flowering~~~ is supposed to be because of not needing a couple of hours for the plant to "go to sleep". 5 minutes of bombardment with far red converts the phytochromes from the PhytochromeRed (Pr) position to the PhytochromeFarred (Pfr) position. Because the plants don't need 2 hours to go to sleep, you can supposedly give them 13 hours and 55 minutes of light (5mins of FR at the end), while in flowering.

I too haz some far red pontoons on the workbench.
 
SnotBoogie,

You do a good job at describing and thank you for the point to wiki...

Do you or does anyone know how to use Far Red with cloning/rooting for good results?
 

SnotBoogie

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Im just a newbie to it im afraid... Didnt even know about that, but im guessing its to stimulate "stretch" all over the plant? including roots? Sounds interesting though.
 
Im just a newbie to it im afraid... Didnt even know about that, but im guessing its to stimulate "stretch" all over the plant? including roots? Sounds interesting though.
LOL...

FranJan noted a while ago in this string that it is used for more than EOD treatments. I just seem unable to find a lot of info on it.

Since a big name company like Philips is selling it for flowering, rooting etc. IMO, it must be used in other treatments.
I know there has been some research manipulating plants with different time schedules and doses of different lights to desired growth.

LED lighting really is the first artificial lighting that the light spectrum can be tuned easily. We like to vegetate plants in 5000k type light and flower in a more red spectrum and it enhances both stages of plant life for our purposes.
 

hyroot

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Google papers from Texas a&m. They have done quite a bit research and testing on IR/ far red. IR drives flowering. Manipulates density. 760n. Peaks will induce flowering rather quickly. Even in a veg cycle. 730nm at the end of the day mimics sunset in the fall. Inducing the phytochrome state much faster. In theory lights can stay on longer ie 14/10 just like the long days in summer and fall.
 

guod

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in this early state you get only this...

google > "shade avoidance syndrome in plants"
 
I appreciate the pointers to things about FR and shade avoidance, A lot to read, and ponder. Thank You for the input:-)

Today I decided to selectively harvest from the afghani mix, the free seed. I put her is another pot and hopefully will be able to go back to vegetative...

The plant seems to look healthy although the root ball was much wetter than I thought.

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The harvest taken...

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