Growing with a Vegetative Stage light for vegetation only...

bombasticson

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Well it seems like you know what needs to be done, you just gotta get it done... LEDS are definitely a good choice they make dense buds, but I've only seen quantity when there was like 3 LED panels. I may be wrong but either way LED produce high quality bud.
 

missnu

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if your light is 60% reds and the rest blues, that's to be considered already a veg light.. any more than that and you are likely to stunt the plants + issues.

But your thought about less power required for vegging is very correct, thus LED's is easily the best solution within all the light options, proven. (vegging)
the color of the light will not stunt the plant...and the light color doesn't trigger flowering...the length of time the light is shining is what triggers flowering to start..so don't say this again. It is not true...stop spreading internet nonsense...for real...i will see the post when you say it again..and we will talk about this again...not in PMs...out here in front of everyone..this is newbish tomfoolery so keep it to yourself...
 

missnu

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I understand your theory, can't blame you for that; it comes from what you see around in commercial panels and veg mode panels etc.

But as a matter of fact, 80% blue will stunt your grow to say the least.. wont produce you more foliage at all..

what you want is 30% blue max, no needs for more
You are so so so super wrong with such an air of authority..
You should begin each post with this....

Even though I don't know what i am talking about I think I once read somewhere that this is what you need...
 

missnu

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A mix of light spectrum is better than having just one and then just another...having both spectrums throughout is the ideal, but in veg the plant uses more light we see as blue, and in flower they use more that is orange/red...I have successfully flowered some killer buds with just a MH...and now I use a CMH...Metal halides are the blue spectrum that is supposed to be for veg, but they also flower with super awesome results...HPS is orange and for flower, but some people have successfully grown awesome buds using HPS for veg and flower...so to each his own...but plants ideally have all spectrums available...just like the sun...they just use more blue and orange and we capitalize on that, but it isn't written in stone...I have never seen the sun shine orange, or blue intensely for any length of time, and it has been growing plants successfully for millions of years...
 

missnu

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So you can have a broad spectrum or not and still get good results as far as I can tell...I have used all manner of spectrums with little to no difference...I really like flowering with a multi spectrum, but in veg I really like blue light...
 
the color of the light will not stunt the plant...and the light color doesn't trigger flowering...the length of time the light is shining is what triggers flowering to start..so don't say this again. It is not true...stop spreading internet nonsense...for real...i will see the post when you say it again..and we will talk about this again...not in PMs...out here in front of everyone..this is newbish tomfoolery so keep it to yourself...
The light coloring DOES take a part in triggering flowering. I had this problem when only using a led light with 630 and 460 nm wavelengths. The flowering seemed to never start. Then I did some research and found ( http://www.ledgrow.eu/qa.html ) From the link :
From:Brian
Subject:Seedling etc
Question: I love the grows. However I have a few questions. 1. How is the potency? I heard that since there is next to no UV rays it will throw off the potentcy of the THC because the Tri-com don\'t feel like they need to protect the bud as much... 2. Where did you get your LED supplies? Also what are you using to power them? 3. Have you thought about throwing maybe 2 CFLs in there to give the plants a little more of the rainbow? I mean the intense rays will still come from the LEDs but to provide some UV rays as well as other colors. 4. Have you tried any from seedlings? Or would it be best to grow the seeds until about an inch or two then throw them under the LEDs? 5. How high are you from the plants? I am planning a little grow room and I am trying to be as energy effecent as possible because the laws are ungodly strict where I live. Just trying to get it all sorted out before I start purchasing. Thanks for the info and a great site/read!! Brian
Answer:1 The potency is great! Tons of BlaBla about "the missing UV" or "you need Farred" mostly come from people without any experience. 2 For the prototypes I got them from the web, several stores are selling them. I am using home build constant current supplies as well as special led supplies. 3 No, I want to do it with Leds, however adding white leds for a wider rainbow did solve the delayed flowering problem. 4 No, to much hassle with males etc, clones are easy to get if you live in Amsterdam :-) 5 about 10 to 15 cm.

Theres more about this in his experiments...
I added a fluorescent tube and BAM! Two days later all my plants began to flower (about 4 plants).
 

jubiare

Active Member
You are so so so super wrong with such an air of authority..
You should begin each post with this....

Even though I don't know what i am talking about I think I once read somewhere that this is what you need...
you def know nothing about what you are talking about. I do, but everyone is free to think different. I am not spreading nonsense, it's all experimentation carried out by me or by much more reputable and experienced diy led guys.
 

jubiare

Active Member
So you can have a broad spectrum or not and still get good results as far as I can tell...I have used all manner of spectrums with little to no difference...I really like flowering with a multi spectrum, but in veg I really like blue light...
here you are saying something somehow somewhat true.. in the sense that is not the spectrum that is so important as the efficiency of the emitters. In fact when employing emitters, let's say you gotta chose between the perfect white and the most efficient white, you should go with the most efficient. But let me tell you that too much monochromatic blue will stunt the grow, proven.
 

PSUAGRO.

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the color of the light will not stunt the plant...and the light color doesn't trigger flowering...the length of time the light is shining is what triggers flowering to start..so don't say this again. It is not true...stop spreading internet nonsense...for real...i will see the post when you say it again..and we will talk about this again...not in PMs...out here in front of everyone..this is newbish tomfoolery so keep it to yourself...
Wow.....talk about spreading misinformation......Jubiare's link to Knna is a good place for you to start learning:)
 

puffenuff

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So my understanding is that it's the amount of time of light vs dark that triggers flowering and that the color of light will play a role is how the plant develops. in veg, I have seen all blue panels to blue dominant panels do just as good of a job as a full spectrum panel. I think the issue of super close nodes or stunting comes from having a blue heavy spectrum either too close to the canopy or too intense. When I run my veg mode (blue mode) I don't experience anything detrimental to the plants as opposed to vegging under full spectrum mode. Growthis about equal. However as the seedling get bigger and closer to flowering time, I do switch to full spectrum. Just my observations on this.

I actually agree with the op that you can do less watts and go heavier on the blue and still achieve excellent vegatation.
 
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