Growing with LED's, What the fuck is the problem? an what fucking light to buy?

prosperian

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The problem plaguing led began in the very beginning, when they were sold as the best way to max chlorophyll A & B using R/B monochromes for the PAR peaks. Sounded good on paper, and yes, many have grown lush looking buds with them, BUT, let me use a health analogy...

If someone is a meat and potatoes eater, no greens, they may look healthy and be strong for years, but eventually they will develop health issues, as well as predispose their offspring to those issues

Sticking with food for a minute, plants need a full diet beyond NPK. A balance of micro minerals are ESSENTIAL to enjoy full health, and provide high quality (tasty) fruits, or in this case- buds

White Light is the only way to get that. Some manufacturers are adding some white diodes, but it's a joke, probably due to having a huge inventory of R/B diodes

Now, within white diodes, for growing we need a blend of NW + WW during veg and flower. However, in flower more WW is needed. Note how A 51 has 3 switches
Glad you're here PF. You know way more about this stuff than me and were there for me when I was struggle with the decision to go LED. I think convincing someone that LED is the way to go is like telling them they don't need bloom and grow bottles or trimming their fan leaves is probably not a good idea. Up hill battle brother.

Anyway, enough bitching from me, good analogy.
 

Pinworm

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Derp. I read his first sentence and for some reason thought....ugh....another LED hater. Boy is my face red. ::facepalm:::


-parasitic dum-dum
 

PetFlora

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Thanks brother, and for the Rep as well!

Pinworm- lol

I get so tired of the led haters, then it hit me to come up with an analogy that anyone can relate to. I should add that the 460-~ 550 range is where hps gets it's juice, and why those guys are stuck on it, though most do not realize why. Hopefully my analogy will awaken them


Glad you're here PF. You know way more about this stuff than me and were there for me when I was struggle with the decision to go LED. I think convincing someone that LED is the way to go is like telling them they don't need bloom and grow bottles or trimming their fan leaves is probably not a good idea. Up hill battle brother.

Anyway, enough bitching from me, good analogy.
 

prosperian

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Derp. I read his first sentence and for some reason thought....ugh....another LED hater. Boy is my face red. ::facepalm:::Parasitic dum-dum
Hah, he is just explaining how some of the marketing bs in the early days of led was very misleading. Even today, you have a lot of garbage leds manufacturers throwing out high tech blah blah blah and confusing a lot of growers.

Even my posts need to come with a warning label.

"IT'S NOT JUST LIGHTS!"

To pop over 2 frosty zips a plants takes more than just light.

Experienced growers know that, newbs are looking for the Holy Grail of Pot Growing. I know I did the same thing. :twisted:
 

packetloss314

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I feel your pain my dude. I went with a 180 buck light last yr off eBay After countless hours of research. No brand 270 watt (90 3 watt diodes) and have had what I believe to be great results. I have never grown HID but I have consumed its product and know what to look for. Here's a little lady at 30 days ( roughly give or take a few days). I didn't let her veg long enough and planted her in 2.5 gal FFOF soil. (I'm new to the game :) but am surprised so far. Flipped the light at first preflower and she was only 11 inches tall but staaaaacked and bushy.really really bushy

What say you?

all information in this post is purely fictional and must be taken as such.
 

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Pinworm

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Hah, he is just explaining how some of the marketing bs in the early days of led was very misleading. Even today, you have a lot of garbage leds manufacturers throwing out high tech blah blah blah and confusing a lot of growers.

Even my posts need to come with a warning label.

"IT'S NOT JUST LIGHTS!"

To pop over 2 frosty zips a plants takes more than just light.

Experienced growers know that, newbs are looking for the Holy Grail of Pot Growing. I know I did the same thing. :twisted:
LEDS are going to break through the walls and eat us alive while we're layin' in bed. Seeing your last pull made me start saving for a panel. On the really real. The right kind of light is what one should focus on for maximum awesomeness.
 

packetloss314

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For reel tho....if they can hit 10 w per diode driven at 60% even.... A 90 diode light delivering 900 led watts and 550 wish real watts wish ( not doing math right now). Would be cheap to produce and cheap to buy.



all information in this post is purely fictional and must be taken as such.
 

prosperian

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LEDS are going to break through the walls and eat us alive while we're layin' in bed. Seeing your last pull made me start saving for a panel. On the really real. The right kind of light is what one should focus on for maximum awesomeness.
Thanks man. I did the same thing with SlipOn. I followed his LED grow and I knew what he was capable of producing with HID. When he harvested that sticky LSD, I was sold.


Nice bud shot packetloss. Glad you are having success with your grows!
 

Pinworm

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Thanks man. I did the same thing with SlipOn. I followed his LED grow and I knew what he was capable of producing with HID. When he harvested that sticky LSD, I was sold.


Nice bud shot packetloss. Glad you are having success with your grows!
Agreed. Watching you LED pioneers still gives me a rager.
 

smokefacekillah

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Derp. I read his first sentence and for some reason thought....ugh....another LED hater. Boy is my face red. ::facepalm:::


-parasitic dum-dum
hahahahah, yeah I'm defiantly not a hater of LED's maybe I hate the prices, but I just want something that won't heat up as much as my cfl's, I plan on doing all my grows with LED/CFL's , I found these Viper 300w LED's on ebay for a decent price does any one know if these are any good http://www.ebay.com/itm/111072962411?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
 

packetloss314

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That looks identical to my light only 30 watts stronger.

Some poor child in China is pumpkin these things out of the same pile of part me thinks.

Appreciate the well wishes prosperian. This is my first grow. Those buds look on point for 30 days from 12/12? I only know what a finished product should look like.

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prosperian

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Appreciate the well wishes prosperian. This is my first grow. Those buds look on point for 30 days from 12/12? I only know what a finished product should look like.
She looks about right to me maybe even more mature like five weeks.

Hairs are starting to recede and turn brown.

Still have a big swell ahead of you when the weight will really come on.

I like how you are keeping her green. Should be a good producer.


These look about 3-4 weeks. Really white pistils still pointing up and relatively strait.
 

packetloss314

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Hmm interesting that's the same plant different bud sites...but your right the hairs are different colors. Checked it when I got home and couldn't tell with my eyes...maybe the led purple shine made it look more brown...who knows.

Thanks for helping me verify I'm on track. Can't wait to blaze the NLxSkunk. She's turnin frosty!

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imchucky666

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So I ventured off into the LED section, an I don't know what advice to follow, considering every thread I find turns into a debate on if they work or not.

I want to buy an LED grow light, but again misinformation has thrown me off, Some say don't buy the cheap Chinese kind, which is kind of odd cause when I looked at some real expensive LED'S they all mostly say Made in china, or some parts came from china.

I don't know what the fuck to look for when it comes to LED's, I found good lights with the right spectrum for growing, most of them at 3w per diodes, but they are made in china lights off of eBay.

Who here can help me out?
She looks about right to me maybe even more mature like five weeks.

Hairs are starting to recede and turn brown.

Still have a big swell ahead of you when the weight will really come on.

I like how you are keeping her green. Should be a good producer.


These look about 3-4 weeks. Really white pistils still pointing up and relatively strait.
Listen to Prosp.
He is one I have seen do great grows with LED's, even though he hasn't been doing it long, he is so meticulous and detail oriented with his plants, and does his research.
 

prosperian

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Listen to Prosp. He is one I have seen do great grows with LED's, even though he hasn't been doing it long, he is so meticulous and detail oriented with his plants, and does his research.
Thanks Chucky. You're right, I'm a fast learner and very procedural on most projects I undertake. It helps that I've been gardening for 30 years and cannabis is a relatively easy plant to grow. Hardest part for me was moving indoors and reinventing nature in my closet. Helps having all the peeps on RIU with the same interest. Really make it an enjoyable gardening experience for me.

I just don't see the same passion and ingenuity in other gardening groups, bunch old farts talking about beans and watermelons. There's no youth and energy like you see with mj gardening. And our crop is illegal in most states, that adds a little excitement to this hobby too!

Good to see you bro. What's up on your side of the fence? Shoot over to my threads or send a PM when you get a chance.


Packetloss and anyone else interested is welcome to post questions on my thread links below or PM. Yes, plants can mature faster at the top than sides and bottoms, just depends on your lighting and position. It's important to watch the trichs with a scope when you get close to harvest. You can selectively harvest buds by only picking those that are ready chop. Leave the other ones on the plant to ripen up.


I don't want to derail this thread more than I already have, sorry OP.
 

Socalrob

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Prosperion, like the setup soon to be a med grower with card in California. I'm seriously considering the 2014 Area 51 190 light. Would just one work in a 4x4 tent? Seed to harvest? Do I need intake and exhaust fan? Would I need side lighting and what kind. Just looking to grow a few plants at a time to get started. Been reading up on indoor growing and really want to go led for various reasons. Grew for about 10 years back in the 70's and 80's but all outside. Any input on the Area 51 190 light would be appreciated.
 

prosperian

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Prosperion, like the setup soon to be a med grower with card in California. I'm seriously considering the 2014 Area 51 190 light. Would just one work in a 4x4 tent? Seed to harvest? Do I need intake and exhaust fan? Would I need side lighting and what kind. Just looking to grow a few plants at a time to get started. Been reading up on indoor growing and really want to go led for various reasons. Grew for about 10 years back in the 70's and 80's but all outside. Any input on the Area 51 190 light would be appreciated.

Hey Socal, let's see if I can get some of your questions answered...

SGS190: Coverage: Minimum 24" x 32" ; Maximum 39" x 39" ; Recommended 32" x 32"
We recommend that you try to stay close to 32"x32" as possible.


I'm seriously considering the 2014 Area 51 190 light. Would just one work in a 4x4 tent?
Based on the above website specs, I'd say your 4x4 tent would have about 6-12" of empty space around the edges. In actual use, most growers don't grow wall to wall and leave room to get in for maintenance.


Just looking to grow a few plants at a time to get started.
I'd say you could grow up to 6 plants in 5 gal containers 8-9 week veg. I've run up to 5 plants in my 2' x 3' closet with a SGS160 light. I think 2 to 4 plants would yield the best results and largest harvests.


Seed to harvest?
Yes, these panels are designed with all the light spectrum you need from start to finish. Seedling stage: I would raise the panel to about 24-36" to harden the seedlings then bring it down over a week or two to about 18", sweet spot.


Do I need intake and exhaust fan?
You won't need an evacuation system for heat, these panels run about 1-3 degrees over ambient temps. I recommend an exhaust fan for air circulation, the plants need fresh air all the time to grow the best. I run a 140 cfm 4" inline with a variable speed controller set at 15-20% power. This runs every other hour when I'm growing and evacuates the air to the attic to be scrubbed by a Phresh carbon filter mounted to the exhaust duct. I have zero odor issues or sound, this stealth closet sits in the middle of my house. I run passive air intake without a fan. If odor is not a concern, you can crack the door or open a couple flaps. During 12/12 you will need to make sure the light does not enter the tent at lights out.


Would I need side lighting and what kind.
I'd say that if you kept your grows at four plants you would be fine without supplemental lighting. Make sure your walls have Mylar for best reflection. I rotate my plants daily on center and in the grow room. This keeps the plant symmetrical and prevents the issues seen with edge lighting. If oyu do buy side lighting, I would recommend t-5s over my t-8s. They do very little in harvest production, but they do illuminate the bottom of the grow so I can keep an eye on soil conditions and other important things going on under the canopy.





My buddy Myco has a couple SGS190s in action right now. He's an excellent HID grower recently converted to LED.
You can find his grow here: at post #1172 for LEDs https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/664456-iced-grapefruit-skunk-1-menage-30.html


Grew for about 10 years back in the 70's and 80's but all outside.

Best of luck getting back into growing. Some of the gear has changed over the years, but gardening principles are still the same. Light, water, food, and air will grow any plant. You still have that green thumb, just need to apply it to indoor conditions and that takes a little practice. Same thing I went through a couple years ago.
 

Socalrob

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Prosperion, first, much thanks for such an indepth response. Your passion shines through in your detail. I'm inching closer to retirement and looking forward to growing again. I'll get that green thumb again. Again, thanks for the info
 
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