Guerilla in the Northeast

Heya howya doin huh? Anyhow, if you don't mind checkin and correctin my logic it'd awfully nice of ya!!

So I'm looking to fill 2- 30/40gal buckets around the 44th latitude.
-Right off the bat I think by digging the buckets into the ground I'll avoid sight, and have a nice plastic barrier in between burrowing pests.
-For the deers I'm going to run some chicken wire around surrounding trees and/or some rebar.
-Slugs, I'll use beer traps. And honestly if I get bug problems I'll hang some no pest strips directly on the girls as long as there's 3+ weeks before flower.

My main questions are-
Will burrowers just burrow from the top of the bucket (ground level) down into the bucket itself? Could they burrow down 4-5ft up through my smallish drainage holes??

What strains will be the best for discreetness as well as the Northeast climate?

For soil I'm going to throw 3 bags of happy frog in, and mix any remaining space w/ the native soil. I'm also going to amend with healthy amounts of Azomite, Dolomite Lime, Mexican bat guano, and castings, lots of castings!

Please let me know what you think of my fairly simple guerilla!

Doesnt sound very stealthy with all the things you are going to be putting around the plant attracting attention.

The only real give away could be the wire. I feel I need to use wire of some sort as cruel as it could potentially be. Otherwise, do what? Go out twice a week with coyote piss?? The deers will kill it all!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM1Pxlh_EfQ

youknowthekid! said:

The only real give away could be the wire. I feel I need to use wire of some sort as cruel as it could potentially be. Otherwise, do what? Go out twice a week with coyote piss?? The deers will kill it all!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM1Pxlh_EfQ

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Even better..why dont you piss in and around your grow area?

or...

buy some wood stakes from HD or Lowes, stake them around your plants or grow area. Buy some line/rope, tie the line around each stake and corner off your grow. make it look inconspicuous and youll be fine as far as deer and large animals go. still piss around the area cuz we dont want them coming near it in the first place.

don't worry so much about anything burrowing under your plants here in the northeast. sometimes animals may dig around your plant roots if you are using something like blood meal or fish emulsion. they dig looking for what is dead. out west i believe they have problems with gophers or some such animal that we don't have issues with in the northeast.

i would suggest not burying anything, rather just dig large holes and fill them. trying to bury 40 gallon containers will not be stealthy in the least and there is no need to dig 5 foot down. if your that ambitious dig twice as many holes half as big 2'x2'x2' is a good size for guerrilla growing and won't kill you to do. with proper care you can get large plants with holes this size.

for the slugs get some slug bait/killer. this stuff will actually attract slugs so what you do is spread it far enough from your plants that the rain dissolving it will not have the runoff into your hole. and also the dead slugs will not be near your plants. typically you will only need to use this twice before your plants are large enough to handle themselves with slugs.

the bigger and healthier your plants are when you set them out the more they can handle problems. you can buy black mesh screen fencing at home depot or similar place for cheap. a big roll goes a long way and is tough to see when farther than 10 feet from it. it is also easier to set up than chicken wire. the fencing like the slug bait i only use for spring, once they get about 2-3' i take it down, by that time not much will bother them as far as animals.

You can fold chicken wire and put it
in the hole. I have mole problems.

Rabbits are the bastards that get me.

Slug bait or rock salt is a must here.

Shit I thought it said northwest

definitely gonna piss everywhere, man feels more like a man hanging a nice wiz in the woods

dopeydog said:

don't worry so much about anything burrowing under your plants here in the northeast. sometimes animals may dig around your plant roots if you are using something like blood meal or fish emulsion. they dig looking for what is dead. out west i believe they have problems with gophers or some such animal that we don't have issues with in the northeast.

i would suggest not burying anything, rather just dig large holes and fill them. trying to bury 40 gallon containers will not be stealthy in the least and there is no need to dig 5 foot down. if your that ambitious dig twice as many holes half as big 2'x2'x2' is a good size for guerrilla growing and won't kill you to do. with proper care you can get large plants with holes this size.

for the slugs get some slug bait/killer. this stuff will actually attract slugs so what you do is spread it far enough from your plants that the rain dissolving it will not have the runoff into your hole. and also the dead slugs will not be near your plants. typically you will only need to use this twice before your plants are large enough to handle themselves with slugs.

the bigger and healthier your plants are when you set them out the more they can handle problems. you can buy black mesh screen fencing at home depot or similar place for cheap. a big roll goes a long way and is tough to see when farther than 10 feet from it. it is also easier to set up than chicken wire. the fencing like the slug bait i only use for spring, once they get about 2-3' i take it down, by that time not much will bother them as far as animals.

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thanks for the good advice dopey. I think ill err on the side of caution my first time and run the fence until crop but im definitely happy to hear that nothing in NE is munching the roots. from the sounds of it I should be fine once they've made it a month outside. Im just nervous as hell that something could destroy a lot of hard work and preparation

charface said:

You can fold chicken wire and put it
in the hole. I have mole problems.

Rabbits are the bastards that get me.

Slug bait or rock salt is a must here.

Shit I thought it said northwest

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nope other coast. hoping the little critters aren't an issue here! I may do the chicken wire but to be cautious though.

yea i will use piss and also use my dogs hair after cutting it and toss it around the area. the third thing i will do for deer and rabbits is buy predator urine at the local gun store, they sell it by the pint for trappers. a pint of coyote or fox urine is like $6 bucks and i will use just a dash near my plants. herbivores wont go near it and it smells like fermented musky urine.

Yeah ive heard the predator piss is better than ours.
My piss dont even phase the bunnies unless I get it on them.
Even then they finish lollipopping my flowers.

"unless you get it on them" that made me laugh, thanks

dopeydog said:

"unless you get it on them" that made me laugh, thanks

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lol. yeah their tough.

dopeydog said:

don't worry so much about anything burrowing under your plants here in the northeast. sometimes animals may dig around your plant roots if you are using something like blood meal or fish emulsion. they dig looking for what is dead. out west i believe they have problems with gophers or some such animal that we don't have issues with in the northeast.

i would suggest not burying anything, rather just dig large holes and fill them. trying to bury 40 gallon containers will not be stealthy in the least and there is no need to dig 5 foot down. if your that ambitious dig twice as many holes half as big 2'x2'x2' is a good size for guerrilla growing and won't kill you to do. with proper care you can get large plants with holes this size.

for the slugs get some slug bait/killer. this stuff will actually attract slugs so what you do is spread it far enough from your plants that the rain dissolving it will not have the runoff into your hole. and also the dead slugs will not be near your plants. typically you will only need to use this twice before your plants are large enough to handle themselves with slugs.

the bigger and healthier your plants are when you set them out the more they can handle problems. you can buy black mesh screen fencing at home depot or similar place for cheap. a big roll goes a long way and is tough to see when farther than 10 feet from it. it is also easier to set up than chicken wire. the fencing like the slug bait i only use for spring, once they get about 2-3' i take it down, by that time not much will bother them as far as animals.

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I agree. Burying 30-40 gallon buckets is a bit overkill. I don't think 3 bags of happy frog would even come close to fillinga container that size. I would just dig holes and fill them with soil. 2x2x2 is a good size for guerrilla growing. That comes out to 8 cu/ft. I'm not sure if you are familiar with them, but those 3.8 cu/ft compressed bales of pro-mix run around $30 and you can get roughly 2 holes that size out of one bale. I would recommend that or sunshine mix or some other peat based mixed. Those bales are heavy as hell though so unless you can get a vehicle pretty close they are tough to get out to your patch unless you are very strong. IMO that fox farm soil is way too expensive for growing in the woods. You can add whatever amendment you like, but I like to keep it simple and just add a good ready to use time release nute like american pride or marine cuisine. Hell, I've even used osmocote the one year and it worked just fine.

As far as burrowing rodents go, you can buy a repellent or make your own with pepper and garlic. I like to dig my holes and add the soil ahead of time. First, that give you some timefor it to rain and come out to soil that's already wet. Second, I noticed that is seems like that gives the critters in the area a chance to investigate the upturned soil in their territory and dig if they want before plants go out. Not sure when you plan on putting them out, but I wouldn't go any sooner than May 15. Early to mid May there is still very little food available to wildlife. By June, I can't recall ever having trouble with animals. That's always been more of a problem early on for me.

Thanks a lot for the info sonar. I'm glad you got that foxfarms idea outa my head, I think reading Uncle Bens stuff has convinced me FF uses mind control to sell so much relatively useless product. The pro-mix amended will go way further.

The mix I'm planning is Mexicano Bat (N), Azomite for micros, Dolomite Lime (PH), Greensand for additional long release silica and (K), Castings and im debating some bone and blood meal. I want to make the best starter mix so that I don't have to feed for a while. That will let me hide just a water bucket and walk in empty handed while im getting used to it.

Will azomite and greensand together cause an overload of anything? Silica perhaps?

Speaking of water, what do you plan on using? Is there a water source nearby? There will be plenty of times when you will need to water and probably feed them by hand. I use a product called Soil Moist to help retain water. It's polymer water retention crystals and helps out a lot in the middle of July when it is 90 degree and doesn't rain for 2 weeks. Water is extremely important and many of times overlooked.

I grew many a fine crop in the NE US.
Latitude apx 40.7.
My native soil was sufficient for spectacular, giant plants, I had no need to amend it with anything.
You may be able to save yourself a lot of work.
Have your soil tested by your local agricultural extension office to determine composition. http://extension.uga.edu/agriculture/soil/

I would till the soil as deep as possible, fluff it up and loosen it as much as you can.

Deer and PM and bud blight were my biggest problems

The only way I could prevent verminous deer was by using deer netting at lest six feet high around my plants.

Good Luck

Wish I was that lucky. Where I live the soil is crap. Rocky and a lot of clay. So bad that the roots won't even branch out from the holes the clay almost forms a natural pot in the ground.

Bud rot and mold has been a issue in the past, but luckily nothing catastrophic. I try to use strains that finish by October 1 at the absolute latest to avoid the fall rain. 3rd or 4th week of September is ideal.

Don't forget perlite in them holes.don't plant anywere you see rats they love weed and will destroy your crop . Plant lots of plants you will lose some. Don't show your plants to anyone. Good luck and welcome!

Sonar for water I'll hide 2 black 5-gal buckets with covers near the sight within a 10minute hike of the water. Ill find a nice branch so I can sling them up across my shoulders.
As far as fungus and molds go, what products should I use? People seem to say stay away from any liquid copper.

I came across
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Please don't let this be another issue like spider mites were indoors lol.... I tried a ton of shit, and the day after I threw around dryer sheets and one no pest strip they were gone!!

Thanks for all the sound advice guys. Keep it coming!

I am at 45N but over in the PNW. This will be year #4 in a row for guerilla.

I do things a bit differently, but mainly because I have experience in watershed restoration as a background.

I have never seen deer purposely go after ganja to eat unless....their food sources are gone or dried out in late August/September.

I look for areas of nettle, wild mint or thistle or Scotch Broom. These plants are all indicators of water sources [subsurface and surface/ plus an indicator of soil health.

So with that, I accomplish a few things, deer have NEVER [knock on fucking wood] gone to my plants. I plant in riparian areas that keep their groundwater throughout the growing season and keep other things healthly for the deer to eat. I also don't use ANY fertilizer or water at any time in the year. This I think also minimize contact with rodents and other critters not named deer. IMHO they are attracted to what you will bring in, not the cannabis itself.

Planting in nettle patches also helps keep Cannabis predators away! and Nettle is a close relative of cannabis, if it can thrive in the soils locally around you, bet that cannabis will too, with minimal preparations.

^^^^like that post^^^
In the NE (NJ, which is not called the garden state without a GOOD reason) Deer are out of control.

The soil is rich and loamy, and very easy to work with, but the Deer are voracious and will eat any plant that is not protected by Deer netting.
Nothing worked in stopping them from munching, and I mean I tried everything, from predator urine to moth balls to irish spring soap shavings, human urine they laugh at as they fill their verminous faces with my cannabis plants.
If I sound bitter it is because I am, I contracted Lyme disease from those loathsome beasts carrying in their repulsive ticks.
This rant made me feel better, thanks.
Sorry!