Gun Control

Stricter Gun Control In US

  • Yes, stricter control.

    Votes: 22 17.2%

  • No, we love our guns!

    Votes: 106 82.8%
  • Total voters
    128
7xstall

7xstall

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skunkushybrid said:
He was from 'around here'. He had mental problems, but not enough so that he couldn't legally buy a gun in Virginia. I will go back to my point that these crazies are frustrated individuals that are NOT everyday criminals. So-called normal members of society that snap one day and decide they are going to rape, torture or kill... maybe all three. Normal people, that can legally buy guns are the ones perpetrating these sort of crimes.

The only reason to own a gun is if you have the intention of killing somebody, what else are they for?
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give me a break, "what else are they for", do you think i have any intention of killing somebody? since i was a little kid my intention has been to kill people? i bet you salivate when you hear a bell don't you? you've been very well conditioned SKH, your handlers would be proud.

it may be different in VA, but here you have to complete state paperwork and answer questions. "have you been treated for mental illness in the last 6 months". a yes would trigger a closer look.

before you make fun of the application process, let's just face something: a free society is built on trust, and respect - there's no other way to be free really. citizens are trusted and respected enough to have some integrity. over in most of Europe you guys are happy not being free, good for you, that's nice. it won't happen here in America; we're the result of all that oppression - remember? we're the diamond of freedom that formed from the sludge and coal of oppression in Europe.

btw, this "normal" guy started a fire in his dorm didn't he? wasn't he a stalker? these behaviors should have been accompanied with some criminal charges or at least complaints... this could have been prevented, despite our "gun society". it could have been effectively ended early on had the university not taken guns from students. it could have been ended if the fat pigs weren't coward pieces of slag hiding behind trees.


nothing about this can be blamed on gun control, gun laws, gun banning, gun anything unless you really just can't see the reality of what happened here.







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7xstall

7xstall

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wow, i just read plays written by the shooter. if you can stand it, take a look into this guy's mind. it's a very twisted, very violent and sexually conflicted perspective.. completely scary. even without hindsight this would raise the hairs on the back of my neck.

Cho Seung-Hui's Plays - News Bloggers







if only the university had not banned guns, if only.



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Purple_Ganja

Purple_Ganja

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I say screw the gun control, that is not the issue with what happened at Virginia Tech with those 32 students. The issue here, is the fact that the cops weren't doing jack shit about it. The students are PISSED because it took them some two hours just to get an "investigation" started. Fuck that dude and fuck pigs. That asshole better be glad I didn't live there, I have a 7mm 08 powerful enough to blow a hole the size of a baseball all the way through that son of a bitch, from the top of his head and out his ass.
 
skunkushybrid

skunkushybrid

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If the well trained cops with experience are not brave enough to go wading in, how's a student meant to do it?

If you want to point to twisted literature, what about Stephen King, Shaun Hutson, Guy N Smith... Clive Barker even?

I'm not disputing the fact that he was crazy, his actions speak for themselves. What happened here is that in the state of Virginia this guy legally obtained weapons.

His mental illness deemed insignificant. Many people, from all walks of life suffer from some type of depression, even some of the paranoid schizophrenics can hold down a job while they take their med's. These are just the ones that have been diagnosed. Not all people with these types of mental illnesses go on to commit mass murder, i'm talking about both the diagnosed and the undiagnosed. Some people are intelligent to live with their disorders, and if they hide it well enough they could buy as many guns as they like. Then one day, a trigger is pulled (love my puns, comes from reading piers anthony while a kid)... could be the guys wife leaving him, getting fired from a job, or even a slow build-up of pressure, and the guy snaps.

This guy runs out onto the street holding an automatic handgun, you are coming home from work, maybe locking your car door after parking it on the driveway as mother-in-law has come to visit and put her car in the garage. You hear something that makes you turn, and you stare straight into the path of this oncoming lunatic. Concealed carrying of firearms is legal, you have yours clipped up in your shoulder holster.

How much time do you think you have? This guy knows the law too, what's he going to think when he sees you flick back your jacket?
 
7xstall

7xstall

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If the well trained cops with experience are not brave enough to go wading in, how's a student meant to do it?

instinct. i know you've heard the term "educated beyond intelligence" before. this concept applies to many wearing the badge as well. let's just call it, "uniformed beyond bravery"... they freeze up and lock down when something doesn't shake down the way they were taught at the academy.

 If you want to point to twisted literature, what about Stephen King, Shaun Hutson, Guy N Smith... Clive Barker even?

a lot of the more "contemporary" Japanese fiction writers make those you mention seem tame. but, seriously, read the plays... it wreaks of psychosis when framed in the context of a male 23yo college student with obvious social issues. the titles should have been "Axis I - an essay".

What happened here is that in the state of Virginia this guy legally obtained weapons.

he could have legally obtained lot's of different "weapons" but the choice of which tool he used to carry out his malevolent actions should yield no bearing on the rights of those who choose daily not to abuse the freedoms we have. this country is not a first grade class room and we can not all be made to write sentences because one child broke a rule.


i do agree with you on one thing though, the most obvious problem we are looking at in the U.S. now is the mental health system and attitudes.


oh, the crazy guy scenario... if i could clearly discern this was a gun wielding crazy guy...and i already decided i had a shot...and did not need a better position... chances really are that he's about to die. i tend to do fairly well under high stress, thrive actually, but i can't honestly say i could be clearheaded and detached enough to make him a "target" that fast, with no processing... i just don't know. i mean, that's what they spend the first 4 weeks of military boot camp on, you know? enemy and target synonimity. it completely changes if i see him killing or threatening someone, then i imagine that his humanity would rapidly dissipate from my mind and there'd be a bullseye right on his face. :)




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skunkushybrid

skunkushybrid

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I will have to track back and read these guys stories, gain an insight into his mind. Haven't the time right now.

Suffice to say, just because a guy is crazy does not mean he doesn't have his wits about him.
 
ViRedd

ViRedd

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"The only reason to own a gun is if you have the intention of killing somebody, what else are they for?"

Its been estimated that between one and three million crimes are thwarted each year by citizens of the U.S. by the use of a firearm ... without firing a single shot. Just the threat of a gun stops most bad guys.

I just went back and read the two "plays" written by that evil idiot. Does this pass as acceptable work in universities these days? Doesn't say much for government subsidized education now, does it? :spew:

Vi
 
skunkushybrid

skunkushybrid

New Member
7xstall said:
wow, i just read plays written by the shooter. if you can stand it, take a look into this guy's mind. it's a very twisted, very violent and sexually conflicted perspective.. completely scary. even without hindsight this would raise the hairs on the back of my neck.

Cho Seung-Hui's Plays - News Bloggers







if only the university had not banned guns, if only.





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Apart from being written in a very childish way, I don't see anything in his 'plays' to say he was capable of something like this. I was expecting something far worse, much deeper... the guy was a directionless idiot, he hadn't even grown up yet. Just a kid really.

He shot his ex gf and her new lover in a fit of jealousy... he then realises that he must die himself or face execution/life sentence. This tips him over the edge, his life is over... fuck the world. He enters into a coma-like state, almost as though he has detached from his body already, floating around above watching himself execute people.

The moment he came back is the moment he realised he needed to kill himself. Maybe it's guilt that finally causes them to pull the trigger on themselves in the end...

One thing's for sure, the guy was no Stephen King. A 9 year old could/should write better than that.
 
matias2911

matias2911

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7xstall said:
how easy is it for kids who like videogames to get guns here? give me this "fact" of yours.



first, let me know how well you do on this little quiz:
Quiz - Virginia Gun Laws




yes, we Americans just don't get it. thank goodness there are so many more enlightened nations whose affairs are perfectly in order. the cause of the incident is obviously a piece of ceramic and plastic with 18 metal parts named Glock... how could i miss that... no more pragmatism for me, i see it all so clearly now. it's the alcohol's fault when a drunk kills people on the road, not his actions. it's the junk food makers' fault that someone eats themselves bedridden and dies, not their own gluttonous actions.. BS.


the rest of your post is childish and nonsensical but very emotionally wrought.





It is obvious that you did not understand the sense of my post, now that I think of it, I dont know if I would either, so I do not blame you. I am sorry if my post was childish I was deeply frustrated, for other personal reasons...

The kids who love videogames I was referring to were the Columbine perpetrators, if you want a specific fact. Then again, tell your son to try and get a gun, he won't have much trouble doing that, at least I do not think so. See, my humble opinion is that the more you live in a culture surrounded by gun users the more it becomes ''normal'' to you and the easier it is to get away with gun ownership ...

ohh before i continue bothering you with my adverse opinion here is my results on the virginia gun law test (mind you I do not know much about gun laws in Virginia, I answered on the basis of common sense.)

Actually, when I refer to the causes of any incident I think of a more macrosociological perspective, not just looking at who did what where with what etc,, but , i do think it is more interesting to analyse what are the reasons a person in that state of mind is allowed to posses a gun. Why does this happen so often in the USA and not in other nations where gun control is mandatory?
Correct me if i am wrong, but your reasoning goes as follows:
No need for gun control because it wouldn't stop criminals from getting them and it would stop law abiding citizens from owning them to defend themselves.
I know if I applied the same type of reasoning to any other felony, some opinions may differ.
E.G: No need for prescripting drugs cus it doesnt stop the druggies from getting them and makes it harder for non-druggies to get healed. do you get my point?
Law is not only an wouldnt impediment, it is there to set an example.
Plus, law abiding citizens should be able to get guns, if there was gun control, it would be harder,yet it would be safer(e.g: the kids from columbine would have a harder time buying them off some web site). Gun control is not prohibition, it is a means of controlling gun possesion in a better way, in order to be able to (at least) set an example of the society you want to live in.
Why, and i hope you have an answer for this, why does this happen so often in the US?? Ive been wanting to know. I thought it had to do with easy gun access, maybe you have a more thorough answer?

Cheers,
MAt
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aquilany

aquilany

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We don't need gun control. We need BULLET control. I think every bullet should cost $50,000! Then there wouldn't be any innocent by-standers. People would say "Damn! He must've done somethin'! They put $100,000 worth of bullets in his ass."
 
Hermes

Hermes

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aquilany said:
We don't need gun control. We need BULLET control. I think every bullet should cost $50,000! Then there wouldn't be any innocent by-standers. People would say "Damn! He must've done somethin'! They put $100,000 worth of bullets in his ass."
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i notice no tribute to chris rock is evident :P

chris rock is funny
 
k-town

k-town

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aquilany said:
We don't need gun control. We need BULLET control. I think every bullet should cost $50,000! Then there wouldn't be any innocent by-standers. People would say "Damn! He must've done somethin'! They put $100,000 worth of bullets in his ass."
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what movie or standup comedian did you steal that from because I know I heard that before
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skunkushybrid

skunkushybrid

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matias2911 said:
yes, we Americans just don't get it. thank goodness there are so many more enlightened nations whose affairs are perfectly in order. the cause of the incident is obviously a piece of ceramic and plastic with 18 metal parts named Glock...

See, my humble opinion is that the more you live in a culture surrounded by gun users the more it becomes ''normal'' to you and the easier it is to get away with gun ownership ...

Actually, when I refer to the causes of any incident I think of a more macrosociological perspective, not just looking at who did what where with what etc,, but , i do think it is more interesting to analyse what are the reasons a person in that state of mind is allowed to posses a gun. Why does this happen so often in the USA and not in other nations where gun control is mandatory?
Correct me if i am wrong, but your reasoning goes as follows:
No need for gun control because it wouldn't stop criminals from getting them and it would stop law abiding citizens from owning them to defend themselves.
I know if I applied the same type of reasoning to any other felony, some opinions may differ.
E.G: No need for prescripting drugs cus it doesnt stop the druggies from getting them and makes it harder for non-druggies to get healed. do you get my point? MAt
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Some good points. Although in my country we have total gun prohibition. If you disarm the people in the US you should also disarm the police, have specialist units for gun crime, like we do. I know that if that incident happened here, our specialist units would have taken the guy out quickly.

Since the prohibition of guns we don't get incidents like the one in Virginia, our shootings are 99 out of 100 gang related, and who gives a fuck about that?

It's about a mindset, and apart from a few gangsters shooting each other we are getting there. If you seek peace you don't need guns. Ask Gandhi (by way of reading, of course).
 
7xstall

7xstall

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I just went back and read the two "plays" written by that evil idiot. Does this pass as acceptable work in universities these days?

apparently so. political correctness at it's finest. someone writes stuff like that gets a pass while people who say "nappy" are doomed to a lifetime of apology. common sense is rare today.



skunkushybrid said:
Apart from being written in a very childish way, I don't see anything in his 'plays' to say he was capable of something like this. I was expecting something far worse, much deeper... the guy was a directionless idiot, he hadn't even grown up yet. Just a kid really.

He shot his ex gf and her new lover in a fit of jealousy... he then realises that he must die himself or face execution/life sentence. This tips him over the edge, his life is over... fuck the world. He enters into a coma-like state, almost as though he has detached from his body already, floating around above watching himself execute people.

The moment he came back is the moment he realised he needed to kill himself. Maybe it's guilt that finally causes them to pull the trigger on themselves in the end...

One thing's for sure, the guy was no Stephen King. A 9 year old could/should write better than that.
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you know, it was actually the total lack of metaphorical reference or definition which made his writing so shocking and revealing to me. the violence was the purpose.

as far as the gf theory....i don't believe this guy functioned well enough to "have" a gf. maybe he caught her online a time or two and delved deep inside himself to conjure a relationship out of it but i can't imagine him being able to relate to anyone given the history of his last 2 years. i don't think you see just how bad off this guy was in the reality department.






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