Gun laws and pot

whitegato777

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Chris Benoit was also on uppers, downers and tons of narcotic pain meds.....I spent my whole life as a world class lifter, I know some of those pro wrestlers from my travels and one would be surprised at the shit the take....the only people that used roid rage as a excuse were the ones that were world class assholes to begin with....
exactly, everbody use him as an example roid rage but people believe everything they read in the newspaper what happens to ignore the facts that he had brain swelling from multiple head injuries, and a crapload of trace narcotics in his system. But everyones quick to blame steroids. If testosterone causes violent behavior then we all need to go down to get our nuts chopped off.
 

freelife04239

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Any way you look at it the stuff they were using, Can not be compared to marijuana and should not be lol. Name one person that got so high or medicated with marijuana that they then decided as a direct result to go harm some one lol or any violent event directly related to marijuana. The only thing I can think of is a marijuana used being beaten by a cop for refusing to hand over their stash lol
 

whitegato777

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Any way you look at it the stuff they were using, Can not be compared to marijuana and should not be lol. Name one person that got so high or medicated with marijuana that they then decided as a direct result to go harm some one lol or any violent event directly related to marijuana. The only thing I can think of is a marijuana used being beaten by a cop for refusing to hand over their stash lol
what do u mean by directly related? i had a kid i went to high school with that played on the football team who was left face down in a pond for a pound of BC bud.
 

freelife04239

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My point exactly. He was left face down by some dumbass for the weed. no one smoked or eat some marijuana and then decided to kill people. Robbery was the reason along with the fact some one was greedy but again it was not directly related to the use of marijuana.
 

cerberus

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huh?

your logic is hard to follow. Are you saying that you believe it didn't happen under the influence of marijuana, or are you saying that the influence of cannabis is diametrically opposed to heinous acts? I guess I don’t understand how that two are not directly related; one guy had cannabis and another killed him for it, cannabis was the catalyst. You could get philosophical and say it was the situation (poor/ desperate, uneducated, yada yada) and cannabis was just the straw.. but then you’re putting the whole society on trial, kinda sanctimonious don’t ya think?
I guess my point is, if cannabis wasn’t the direct cause then most crimes fall under that spectrum; if I steal a tv, its not the TV it’s the lack of money, If while on crack I decide to mug someone for more money to buy crack, well again isn’t that from my lack of money and not the crack?..

Sorry man, but I can’t follow your logic.
 

freelife04239

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Do you realy think the guy killed to use or smoke the pound lol more like money was the motive and marijuana is the scapegoat. If the dead guy had thousands of dollars In Cooper the same thing could have happened so i don't get why people refuse to see greed is the route to all evil lol
 

Jogro

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I'm curious, what if your a legal card holder but you choose not to smoke or consume, wouldnt they have to prove that you're an actual user?
The question is whether or not you are actually USING cannabis, not just whether or not you have a prescription for it.

Card or no card, if you don't use, you can honestly answer "no" and legally purchase a gun. Nobody has to "prove" anything.

If you ARE a user you've got two choices:

a- Dishonestly answer "no" (which is itself a crime), or

b. Answer "yes" then be ineligible to purchase a gun via any dealer. I think also, that if you're EVER flagged on a 4473, you're "permanently" flagged, and you will have trouble buying a gun from that point on, even if you later stop using and can honestly answer "no".

Note that in at least some States, its perfectly legal for adults to purchase guns from each other in face-to-face transactions *without* doing Federal paperwork. This ability has been deliberately mislabeled by gun-haters as the "gun show loophole" even though every law applying to gun sales everywhere else in the State also, obviously, applies at gunshows.

So depending on how the law is worded in your particular state, being an MMJ user may NOT completely bar you from legally buying or possessing guns, so long as you obtained them in face-to-face transactions from non-dealers only. (And note that its against Federal law for anyone to buy a gun from a dealer with the intent to transfer it to someone else who isn't otherwise allowed to have it).

having the card shouldn't justify their rulings. also anabolic steroids are considered a controlled substance under federal law. so if I have a local doctor prescribing me testosterone for a deficiency, then should I also be considered as a illegal guns carrier?
First of all, by definition all prescription drugs are "controlled substances". (IE if they're regulated enough that you need a prescription to get them, they're "controlled"). That's not really what's important here, though. One more time, here is the relevant statement on the 4473 form you have to fill out if you want to purchase a firearm from any Federal Firearms Dealer:

"Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?"
Since testosterone is not a narcotic, stimulant, depressant or addictive, and since you would be using it legally under direction of a physician in this case, you can honestly answer "no" to this question, and therefore not disqualify yourself from legally purchasing a gun.

The same would be true of any non-addictive prescription drug, or even addictive ones, so long as you weren't addicted! But even if you are using legal prescription drugs under the direction of a physician, if they're addictive and you're addicted, then you can't honestly/legally answer "no" to this question.

If you're talking about non medically supervised use of anabolic steroids (ie "juicing") then that's illegal, and if you were "juicing" then without a doctors prescription then you couldn't truthfully answer "no" to this question. On the other hand, if you managed to find some physician crazy enough to write you prescriptions for anabolic steroids, then you wouldn't be using them illegally and could answer "no" legally.

Now, lets say you're a "midnight toker" and you just lie on your 4473 form. What would happen?

In practice, probably nothing. The BATFE doesn't test gun buyers for drugs at the point of purchase, and so far as I know they have no mechanism for doing so. It would be pretty difficult for them to ever find out that you've been smoking, and then to prove that in a court of law, especially since drug-related crime is really outside of their jurisdiction. So while its never a good idea to violate the law, in practice, in this situation so long as you didn't generate a drug-related criminal conviction for yourself, you'd "probably" still get away with it.
 

Daxus

Active Member
I got five words for you:

From my cold dead hands.

I'm a responsible gun owner and hunter, and let me tell you up in Northern Maine where I am, the ones that go out and drink all day while they're wandering the woods are a hell of a lot more dangerous than any pot smoker with a gun. And there's plenty of them. If people actually followed this law and didn't lie on the form that would make it easier for a uncaught drunk to get a gun than a state-legal medical patient. That's fucked up.
 

mangojuice

Active Member
moral of the story, if you are an honest person, get a gun first. what's a good kind that protects one from the two-legged predators of the northeast?
 

Sleepybud

Active Member
"unlawful user of, or addicted to" That's the devil in the details, right there.

When this is legal in this 'country', it won't be an issue. This IS coming, for sure. Will I see it in my lifetime? I dunno..

Didn't someone say, "don't have a gun out" and "Don't do stupid shit"? or something like that? Just be a responsible gun owner, or whatever and you'll be OK.
 
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