Gun Sales On Rise In FL On Fear Of An Obama Presidency

natrone23 said:

did see about that 8 year old kid who accidently shot himself in the head while shooting an automatic uzi at a machine gun shoot

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Keenly said:

there are more than a thousand reasons why gun sales in FL would go up

there is no proof that this is why....

also, why are bitching about politics....

there are like 4 people on here who sit here all day bitching about politics


no matter how much you sit here on rollitup posting about how you hate this or dont agree with that

it wont change a damn thing

why dont you get out there and DO something about it

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Big P said:

no but a saw about the 13 year old kid who was car surfing backwards and fell to splatter his skull everywhere

whats your point? i dont see u wanting to ban cars now?


what about knifes, sure they cut your stake but what if you kid runs off with one?


everytime my boy gets a hold of a folk he dips at top speed and I gotta chase him down an get it before he falls and stabs himself with it.

u dont see me gettin made at forks, if anything i shouldnt let those get in his reach since im his parent.

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natrone23 said:

hey retard I didn't say anything about banning anything, your so polarized you can't help but spout your bullshit before you think.

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KaliKitsune said:

Says the idiot that was so easily trolled over in another thread by me.

Yea. How about YOU think? You come into a thread and bitch about pretty much nothing relevant.

Stay on topic or GTFO the thread.

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KaliKitsune said:

Says the idiot that was so easily trolled over in another thread by me.

Yea. How about YOU think? You come into a thread and bitch about pretty much nothing relevant.

Stay on topic or GTFO the thread.

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AlphaNoN said:

Grow up. Welfare constitutes 1/10 of 1% of your taxes. Social security and Medicare about 10%. Military/Defense spending, national debt interest, and the federal budget deficit make up about 70%.

If you earned $100,000 (gross) this year, you'll end up spending about $100 dollars on welfare recipients. Most of whom are blind, handicapped, or otherwise disabled. I doubt the percentage of people who "game" the system is above 20%, but for the sake of argument, let's say you're actually spending $50 a year on "irresponsible" people.

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Big P said:

and keenly how can you come in here and bitch about us discussing politics in a politics forum?

why did you come in here?

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TheBrutalTruth said:

AlphaNon, you are failing to realize the import of all these damn tax credits that the government is proposing.

Ironically, the tax credits do not increase welfare spending, because they are never recognized as entering the federal budget, but nonetheless they are a method of stealing from the haves, and giving to the have nots.

It is not proper that a person with seven dependents is able to claim $40,000 in deductions on what is probably less than $10K of net income, and get a tax return on the "-$30,000" balance of Adjusted Gross Income. Thus that person is receiving welfare, even if it does not flow through the Department of Health & Human Services.

As usual our politicians are happily obfuscating the facts. The Republicans are doing it, because they want to be able to claim a victory over welfare, and the Democrats are doing it to hide the true cost of welfare.

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natrone23 said:

Yo check out this thread with Kalitune in it, its long but hilarious https://www.rollitup.org/toke-n-talk/125046-there-no-money-marijuana.html

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AlphaNoN said:

Politicians are good at obfuscation, that much is certain. It is fine if you disagree with Senator Obama's tax plan. It is not the first of it's kind and wont be the last. Ever since industrialization our government has wrestled with the amount of government intervention needed for a smoothly running economy.

This tax plan is a new approach at the moment, as Reagans trickle down was. Trickle down hasn't worked, the phrase "abject failure" comes to mind when it's mentioned. It's time we tried something else.

One thing is for sure, the government needs money. Obama is betting that by spending on social programs and releasing revenue drawn from taxes in a bottom up way people may begin paying off debts without the worry of becoming derailed by simple things such as a health problems, car payments, house payments, etc. As well as directly contributing to businesses, both small and large.

Blind adherence to total free market theory in terms of trade and domestic spending simply cannot work. Society is far too advanced and complicated, trade to transnational and conglomerated for the simple, while noble, ideas of men who lived hundreds of years ago. It's not about handouts, it's not about national heritage, it's about getting over ourselves and realistically looking at our huge social and economic problems.

"Proper" is a term that I feel has no place in tax terminology, as nothing about our current (or future) tax system is. Is it proper that I pay taxes for oil subsidies, farm subsidies, congressional saleries, wars on countries that pose no threat to the security of our nation, etc, etc? We pay taxes, we will always pay taxes, where it goes is nearly moot at this point.

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AlphaNoN said:

Politicians are good at obfuscation, that much is certain. It is fine if you disagree with Senator Obama's tax plan. It is not the first of it's kind and wont be the last. Ever since industrialization our government has wrestled with the amount of government intervention needed for a smoothly running economy.

This tax plan is a new approach at the moment, as Reagans trickle down was. Trickle down hasn't worked, the phrase "abject failure" comes to mind when it's mentioned. It's time we tried something else.

One thing is for sure, the government needs money. Obama is betting that by spending on social programs and releasing revenue drawn from taxes in a bottom up way people may begin paying off debts without the worry of becoming derailed by simple things such as a health problems, car payments, house payments, etc. As well as directly contributing to businesses, both small and large.

Blind adherence to total free market theory in terms of trade and domestic spending simply cannot work. Society is far too advanced and complicated, trade to transnational and conglomerated for the simple, while noble, ideas of men who lived hundreds of years ago. It's not about handouts, it's not about national heritage, it's about getting over ourselves and realistically looking at our huge social and economic problems.

"Proper" is a term that I feel has no place in tax terminology, as nothing about our current (or future) tax system is. Is it proper that I pay taxes for oil subsidies, farm subsidies, congressional saleries, wars on countries that pose no threat to the security of our nation, etc, etc? We pay taxes, we will always pay taxes, where it goes is nearly moot at this point.

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TheBrutalTruth said:

We already did try something else, from 1933 - 1960 we had taxation rates that were higher than Europe's, and those did nothing but interfere with the economy. If we are truly desiring to try something else, perhaps that something else ought to be getting the government the hell out of the way.

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