Guys!! Dont worry about gun control!

cannabineer · Dec 27, 2012

UncleBuck said:
it's actually about safety. proper gun safety would have prevented or mitigated many of these recent shootings.

i see how you called him out for selectively editing, way to keep 'em honest, stormfront red.

Isn't this self-serving? If you define "proper" gun safety by its results, and assume a zero-tolerance policy toward failure, then the only "proper" gun safety program is one of ban and confiscation. It's the same old antigun evangelism but wearing a fresh sheep's pelt.

Can you suggest "proper" gun safety measures (please list actual things to do, not just say "what works andor reduces incidents" ... let's move the focus from results to concrete practices, with allowances for the Murphy factor) that have the results you seek and allow the basic mandate of the 2nd to still be exercised? cn

ASMALLVOICE · Dec 27, 2012

cannabineer said:
Isn't this self-serving? If you define "proper" gun safety by its results, and assume a zero-tolerance policy toward failure, then the only "proper" gun safety program is one of ban and confiscation. It's the same old antigun evangelism but wearing a fresh sheep's pelt.

Can you suggest "proper" gun safety measures (please list actual things to do, not just say "what works andor reduces incidents" ... let's move the focus from results to concrete practices, with allowances for the Murphy factor) that have the results you seek and allow the basic mandate of the 2nd to still be exercised? cn

Agreed,

Well Said.

Peace

Asmallvoice

canndo · Dec 28, 2012

MuyLocoNC said:
Ted Nugent comes to mind. Alan Dershowitz if his position hasn't changed.

Nugent - now there is my idea of a powerful and free thinking leader.

UncleBuck · Dec 28, 2012

Red1966 said:
How many? Don't no do ya? Go look it up like a good boy. "Conscription exists in Israel for all Israeli citizens over the age of 18, " -Wikipedia....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Israel " Since 1901, Military Service was mandatory in Sweden until 1 July 2010 [37] when conscription was officially suspended during peace time. Until 2010, all Swedish men aged between 18 and 47 years old were eligible to serve with the armed forces over a period ranging from 80 to 450 days."--http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_service Seem to be getting a little moldy " off the top of your head"?

so sweden doesn't have compulsory military service, just as i said.

thanks for proving yourself wrong, stormfront red.

UncleBuck · Dec 28, 2012

cannabineer said:
Isn't this self-serving? If you define "proper" gun safety by its results, and assume a zero-tolerance policy toward failure, then the only "proper" gun safety program is one of ban and confiscation. It's the same old antigun evangelism but wearing a fresh sheep's pelt.

Can you suggest "proper" gun safety measures (please list actual things to do, not just say "what works andor reduces incidents" ... let's move the focus from results to concrete practices, with allowances for the Murphy factor) that have the results you seek and allow the basic mandate of the 2nd to still be exercised? cn

like i said, locking up your gun when not in use or being carried would have prevented the oregon mall shooter, not sure what kind of safe mama lanza had but she would probably be the first to say that it wasn't safe enough.

ya know, if her son hadn't blown her head off with her own gun.

ASMALLVOICE · Dec 28, 2012

UncleBuck said:
like i said, locking up your gun when not in use or being carried would have prevented the oregon mall shooter, not sure what kind of safe mama lanza had but she would probably be the first to say that it wasn't safe enough.

ya know, if her son hadn't blown her head off with her own gun.

That seems to balance on top of pure speculation.
There is no way to know if having those guns locked up would have prevented the killings. Granted it would have made him look elsewhere, or he could have spied on her and found out the combination or was there when she purchased it and saw the combo paper, so many variables to be able to pinpoint. He could have been forced to go another route, such as explosives or worse, either way, imo, he was going to spin off no matter what and noone knows where that could have taken him.

Peace

Asmallvoice

UncleBuck · Dec 28, 2012

ASMALLVOICE said:
That seems to balance on top of pure speculation.
There is no way to know if having those guns locked up would have prevented the killings. Granted it would have made him look elsewhere, or he could have spied on her and found out the combination or was there when she purchased it and saw the combo paper, so many variables to be able to pinpoint. He could have been forced to go another route, such as explosives or worse, either way, imo, he was going to spin off no matter what and noone knows where that could have taken him.

Peace

Asmallvoice

if it's so easy to kill people with explosives like it is with guns, why haven't we seen a rash of school bombings and theater bombings and mall bombings?

it seems to me that the way to go has been to steal an unlocked gun and go shooting up old ladies at the mall and kindergarteners and their teachers.

remember, there were people with guns at the gabby giffords massacre, too. it didn't help a thing, they didn't want to be confused for the shooter. that was brought to an end when he had to reload, people took that time to take him down. if his magazine was smaller as the brady bill would have done had it been renewed, the gabby giffords massacre would have been greatly mitigated.

we can't stop them all, but we can prevent some and mitigate others.

ASMALLVOICE · Dec 28, 2012

UncleBuck said:
if it's so easy to kill people with explosives like it is with guns, why haven't we seen a rash of school bombings and theater bombings and mall bombings?

it seems to me that the way to go has been to steal an unlocked gun and go shooting up old ladies at the mall and kindergarteners and their teachers.

remember, there were people with guns at the gabby giffords massacre, too. it didn't help a thing, they didn't want to be confused for the shooter. that was brought to an end when he had to reload, people took that time to take him down. if his magazine was smaller as the brady bill would have done had it been renewed, the gabby giffords massacre would have been greatly mitigated.

we can't stop them all, but we can prevent some and mitigate others.

Who knows, this is the tip of a nasty iceberg. If a criminal needs to get thier hands on a specific tool of destruction, it seems to be impossible to stop them until they make thier move and then it will be to late.
There are way too many tools out there for the criminal minds to gain access to. If we limit guns/mags/ammo, they will resort to other means. Much more problematic to find a solution when the country is an open market for dastardly deeds.
Times seemed so much simpler when all we relied on was a colt and a handshake.

Peace

Asmallvoice

UncleBuck · Dec 28, 2012

ASMALLVOICE said:
Who knows, this is the tip of a nasty iceberg. If a criminal needs to get thier hands on a specific tool of destruction, it seems to be impossible to stop them until they make thier move and then it will be to late.
There are way too many tools out there for the criminal minds to gain access to. If we limit guns/mags/ammo, they will resort to other means. Much more problematic to find a solution when the country is an open market for dastardly deeds.
Times seemed so much simpler when all we relied on was a colt and a handshake.

Peace

Asmallvoice

your answer is like solving drunken driving with more beer.

tryingtogrow89 · Dec 28, 2012

UncleBuck said:
like i said, locking up your gun when not in use or being carried would have prevented the oregon mall shooter, not sure what kind of safe mama lanza had but she would probably be the first to say that it wasn't safe enough.

ya know, if her son hadn't blown her head off with her own gun.

none yo business what i do with my guns.

UncleBuck · Dec 28, 2012

tryingtogrow89 said:
none yo business what i do with my guns.

it absolutely is my business when my kids are murdered execution style because you didn't lock your guns safely away from your mentally ill child.

your right to swing your fist ends at my face.

now go make an ode to rawn pawl.

tryingtogrow89 · Dec 28, 2012

UncleBuck said:
it absolutely is my business when my kids are murdered execution style because you didn't lock your guns safely away from your mentally ill child.

your right to swing your fist ends at my face.

now go make an ode to rawn pawl.

So because you put your kids in a building with a big sign saying "gun free zone" literally an open invitation for evil doers.
I have to tell you where i keep my guns? You're a very scary person. :dunce:

ASMALLVOICE · Dec 28, 2012

UncleBuck said:
your answer is like solving drunken driving with more beer.

Wow, you got it.

Just like solving the gun safety issue at hand. No difference, as the variables are as infinite as your mind can comprehend. Kudos, you have your thinking cap on today.

Peace

Asmallvoice

UncleBuck · Dec 28, 2012

tryingtogrow89 said:
So because you put your kids in a building with a big sign saying "gun free zone" literally an open invitation for evil doers.
I have to tell you where i keep my guns? You're a very scary person.

you look at a "gun free zone" as an invitation to massacre kindergarteners, and i'm the scary person?

i don't care where your guns are, but keep them locked away from your mentally ill child so that mine is not murdered execution style due to your incompetence and recklessness.

i'm sure president pawl will keep your guns safe. oh, wait... :lol:

UncleBuck · Dec 28, 2012

ASMALLPENIS said:
Wow, you got it.

Just like solving the gun safety issue at hand. No difference, as the variables are as infinite as your mind can comprehend. Kudos, you have your thinking cap on today.

Peace

Asmallvoice

commons sense safety measures when dealing with killing tools are so stupid.

ASMALLVOICE · Dec 28, 2012

UncleBuck said:
commons sense safety measures when dealing with killing tools are so stupid.

lol, thats all you have on that, cmon M8

Resorting to playground antics is not what I was hoping for, but you always seem to end up there when you have reached the end of your rope, ok, I'll play.

Maybe I will start calling you Uncle Duck, cause you are quick to "duck" into the name calling foolery with the quickness when things don't go your way.

Now, we have all that silly stuff out of the way, care to get back on topic?

Peace

Asmallvoice

kelly4 · Dec 28, 2012

UncleBuck said:
if it's so easy to kill people with explosives like it is with guns, why haven't we seen a rash of school bombings and theater bombings and mall bombings?

it seems to me that the way to go has been to steal an unlocked gun and go shooting up old ladies at the mall and kindergarteners and their teachers.

remember, there were people with guns at the gabby giffords massacre, too. it didn't help a thing, they didn't want to be confused for the shooter. that was brought to an end when he had to reload, people took that time to take him down. if his magazine was smaller as the brady bill would have done had it been renewed, the gabby giffords massacre would have been greatly mitigated.

we can't stop them all, but we can prevent some and mitigate others.

A person could kill more people with shotguns than with 'assault' rifles. Anyone who wants shotguns could go to the store and buy them. He could have killed more kids if he went to the sporting goods store and bought shotguns.

Lets ban Cabella's...

kelly4 · Dec 28, 2012

UncleBuck said:
your answer is like solving drunken driving with more beer.

I know how to stop drunk driving...Prohibition!

If we take away their legal right to drink beer, Presto...no more drunk driving deaths, right?

UncleBuck · Dec 28, 2012

kelly4 said:
A person could kill more people with shotguns than with 'assault' rifles. Anyone who wants shotguns could go to the store and buy them. He could have killed more kids if he went to the sporting goods store and bought shotguns.

Lets ban Cabella's...

it costs more to go to the store and buy a gun than it does to steal your mom's guns. having to go buy one is a deterrent simply because they cost money.

UncleBuck · Dec 28, 2012

kelly4 said:
I know how to stop drunk driving...Prohibition!

If we take away their legal right to drink beer, Presto...no more drunk driving deaths, right?

in arizona, they (lawyers) fought for stiffer and stiffer DUI laws (which they would then take advantage of by defending those caught).

they cut DUI fatalities in half, simply with stiffer laws (deterrents).

prohibition not needed, common sense and stiff penalties for irresponsible practices cut the number of deaths at the hands of drunk drivers in half.

if you could cut in half the number of executed kindergarteners with common sense legislated, wouldn't you?

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