Happy 710 Colorado Oilers!

Or you could cone down to the Springs...And I'd be willing to ” guide” you through the process, no charge.I only ask you share my tech for passion and not profit.

In research of improving and controlling the effects and properties of my own self-made hash-oil, I ran into this information from one of my favorite cannibisuers.” Vlad the Impaler” aka ”” Justafigmentofyours”.The purpose of this post is to capture some of his writings and add to my journal, with a clear portrayal that he is credited with the information.Mainly the isomerization and converting THC into the coveted THC-Acetate.THC-Acetate is a strong compound that is capable of inducing psychosis, and or hallucinogenic properties. In my younger years, I've utilized hallucinogens in many capacities, but not to act as a pain-killer. Supposedly, THC-Acetate provides better pain relief than Fentanyl.(one of the strongest synthetic opiods on the planet.Allow me to share what I learned from Vlad..Holds on to your seats guys, this shit just may...blow your mind..he he, enjoy. Isomerization/Alteration. Ah, the fun part! These are unnecessary, and are not needed for good hash oil. But, if you enjoy tinkering around and having fine tuning control over your hash oil experience, you may want to give these techniques a read. Firstly, the alterations: If your oil is hitting too harsh, is dry and crumbly, you can add up to 10% limonene (available online). This is a part of the essential oil of orange peel, and of marijuana. By adding this terpene back in, you smoothen out the smoke and add that citrus pot flavor that is so desirable. The commercial company Pure Gold uses 10% limonene in the oils it supplies to dispensaries. This has the added effect of making the hash oil a liquid at room temp, meaning you can use it with ecigs with some success (not much, there are many better portable vaping options, more on those later). You can also add a tinge of glycerin (a natural oil in every plant including pot), which adds a sweetness and smooths nicely. You can, with materials available at home, alter the cannabinoids in your concentrate. By dissolving you concentrate in isopropanol and placing it in the sun in the open air, you can accelerate oxidization several hundred percent – a few hours is enough to break enough of the THC down in budder into CBN that after evaporation, that nothing but dark brown shatter is left. This is useful if you have anxiety problems and get a batch of paranoid inducing sativah, you can oxidize it and end up with some relaxing couch-lock instead. By evaporating white vinegar until you have glacial acetic acid, then (carefully) simmering your oil in the acetic acid, then allowing the mix to cool and straining out the oil, then throwing the oil into boiling water that has been removed from heat, then allowing these to cool and straining off the now solid oil, you can convert your CBD into THC (at about 80% efficiency), and your THC in to the much more potent THC-Acetate. Now, THC-Acetate is to THC as Crack is to Coke, and I would not consider it recreational as it induces psychosis (especially as you’ve just turned all your antipsychotic CBD into the hallucinogen THC), but if is better than a fentanyl/heroin/propofol smoothie for chronic pain, and so this is a useful tool for those patients who cannot get relief elsewhere. You can cause the same process but with Hydrochloric rather than Acetic by dripping muriatic acid (about 3 drops of 3% per gram of cannabinoids) into concentrate dissolved in isopropanol or ethanol, evaporate, then remove any excess hcl by throwing the concentrate into boiling water removed from heat (as above), and cooling then straining. There is a device that was sold in the seventies call the Thai Power ISO2 Extractor, which can be found for resale today at the same ridiculous price it debuted at. All this thing does is make an isopropanol extract and then you drop some of the included muriatic in and it isomerizes. It was highly sought after back then as isomerization was poorly understood and they didn’t tell you what was in their magical isomerization packet you added at the end, so this crazy super potent (for the time) hash oil was well loved. Unfortunately, even though it has some increased potency due to isomerization, its still a crude isopropanol extract and is laden with nasties like tannins and chlorophyll. Finally, you can isolate the individual cannabinoids by fractional distillation. This is similar to the steam distillation, but uses no water, and shouldn’t be attempted on whole plant material, only previously refined extracts. You will need, in addition to the still, an oil bath heater accurate to within .5 degrees F. You should heat cure the extract first to drive off any terpenes and plant oils. Place your extract in the still and set the heat for 315 degrees. This is the temp at which THC evaporates. After several hours, you will have a distillate that is pure delta-9-THC. Set this aside, put a new receiving dish under the condenser, and set the temp to 330. After several hours, you will have pure CBD. Then 350, which yields delta-8-THC. Then 365, which yields CBN. Then 428, which yields both THCV and CBC (these add only minor effects, can be discarded or used topically as an anti-fungal/anti-inflammatory). By going slowly up in temp, you isolate out in order each component, as each has a different evaporation temp. You can then recombine as you like for your desired effects. You can even just extract the THC, isomerize it, then put it back in with the rest, so you've got some nice CBD and CBN to even out the crazy hallucinogenic THC -Acetate, whereas if you isomerized your whole spectrum cannabinoid extract all that CBD would turn into THC, a mix that is often

I can't even get my brain to attempt to dive into that block of text....

Sirdabs - that is some cool stuff there. I'm with Trueno regarding the ability to wrap my head around it but I fully support and respect your interest in experimenting.

Do you have the tools to make these isolated extractions? I love the idea of separating the various cannabinoids out so you can make your own custom blends.

I do not own the still yet..

At this point, I'm only at the research end of the spectrum, but the good news is the fact that I'm actually comprehending the text.

And yes, the absolute” coolest” part; being totally capable of picking and choosing what cannabinoids we want and those that are undesired, can be removed.

Customized hash-oil
Future of dabbing..

And, I do apologize about the” blob” of text, I am a paragraph nazi, but the site has been removing all my paragraphs.

This shit is very exciting.

"... you can convert your CBD into THC..." Have you validated this information? Some of this content may be inaccurate, but I am not a chemist, so will rely on others to do the hard work. Appreciate your research Sir, and I have spent quite a bit of time reading Vlad's links from his sig line too, working out details on producing RSO.

I have been able to verify a large portion of what Vlad speaks of.
CBD into Delta 9 THC = Could be possible with the acetic acid (nearly the same process as turning opium into heroin)
CBD into the less active Delta 8 THC-V = plausible.

The one major bullet point I've been intending to speak with about..
(we have been in contact through several pm's.)

He believes the winterization process is not valid, and serves no purpose.
We are currently discussing ” clean plate tests” and spreading the word..

Vector is no longer a usable butane for extractions, and I went in to my old Vector supplier and told em..

” Vector is still the best butane, but only for their intended purpose; filing lighters.
Vector adds an industrial lubricant to the butane to keep their lighters working at top performance.

This oil can NOT be purged away, reason being...it's an oil and bonds to the oleoresin oil.
Turns out, each can has about 3-4 grams of lubricant oil.
Which of course increases the yield. But only with poison.

Basically, I plan to pick his brain at each topic he posted about.

Profiteering off of the sick, the dying population of patients with terminal and/or life-long illness, that's the kind of bs that will continue to hinder cannabis being a viable legitimate LEGAL medication..
I'm fairly young (early-mid thirties).. And truly believe rigorous study of the phyto-cannabinoids integrated with isomerization is the future of cannabis related medical treatments.

There is so much to be learned, by the time I'm in my early 80's..
I'll have a better grasp on things, haha.
Edit: If you or someone you know that makes oil via butane extractions, PLEASE pass the word about Vector.

There may be some mixed reactions from this for sure.

The very most important thing..
If you are a” single can” buyer like me,(buy two cans, and make sure that batch of tane is clean)

Sir - what do you know about the effect of that Vector lubricant when it is burned? Should we not be using Vector for smoking bowls of flowers or hash? Any info on what butane is safest to use for smoking bowls?

Great info here. Please keep it coming...

Vector is still absolutely safe for torches, and consuming cannabis with said torch.

The lubricant oils stay where they are supposed to...in the components of the torch, to keep it functioning properly

Sirdabsalot462 said:

Vector is still absolutely safe for torches, and consuming cannabis with said torch.

The lubricant oils stay where they are supposed to...in the components of the torch, to keep it functioning properly

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Still, though, I'd personally not want to do business with them anymore. From what SDA posted about Vector being "only for lighters," it sounds like they got their panties in a bunch when they found out people were happily using it to make concentrates, so they added more crap to load it down and make it no good for that anymore. Seems similar to something I saw Ed Rosenthal post. He was interested in some cloth pots, and wrote to the company for more information. The company's president responded that Rosenthal should never use the products because he was a drug pusher, and the company's president's daughter had drug issues when she was younger. In other words, the man told Rosenthal to F off because Rosenthal wanted to use his product. Think what you want about Rosenthal, but this sort of attitude is intolerant and thus intolerable. In other words, this seems to me to be blatant discrimination against marijuana users, and I won't stand for it!

That's a great post Jus.
I intend on contacting somebody from Vector.

I got some very serious concerns.
I, however think they added these oils” lubricants” intentionally as well
However, I believe this was done with malice intent to really boost sales.

Here is why..
I think it was around 2010 (around the time BHO was becoming very mainstream)..
Around this time, Vector changed the design of the can, highlighting a ” tie dye” graphic...

This was an obvious precursor to a targeted consumer; the cannabis community now using their beloved Vector Butane as a solvent.
Vector knew what was happening with the spike in sales

So, if I were some evil Corporate fucking monster, that has zero respect for patients relying on this as a viable medicine...
Why not make My cans give then a bit more of a yield, by adding oil based” lubricants”

I believe Vector is doing this intentionally, if one brand of Butane yields 8 grams per oz, and the other brand only gives 5 per oz.
Guess which can any” profiteering” asshole is going to pick?

I agree with you Jus, lets boycott these fucks.

And a word of advice on Butane..
Stock to brands that have a ” seal” on it...
Usually very visible..

” Near Zero Impurities”
But do not hesitate to do the plate test.

If anyone needs some recommendations, post here, I'll do my best.

Thanks for reading guys

Solid info my man...Crazy to think about, but your theory totally makes sense.

Again, as always, "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Sirdabsalot462 again."

LOL, one day I will be able to rep you again....one day.

What brand would be a better choice? Meteor 7X?

I haven't heard of that one yet 420, is it new (er)?

One thing to mention also..

4X refined is usually plenty enough, again, Butane brands profiteering, claiming 7, even 12x refined!!
Buuutt, the can does NOT carry that seal =” Near Zero Impurities”

Sometimes the more times it is” refined” , the butane is ran
Through dirty filtration systems, passing on the impurities, rather than filtering them.

Edit: forgot ever brands,
Lucienne usually always passes,
Colibri
Newport
Those are the only three I'm familiar with, I know there are more, and newer brands are REALLY aiming at the mmj consumer, but in a safer way..
I'll look for link.

The Clean Plate Test Most butane on the market, even those aimed at the BHO medical community, are loaded with industrial lubricant oils. The reason for this, is that butane’s legitimate use is filling lighters, and the lubrication helps preserve the life of the lighter. The problem with these oils is that they are oils at room temp, don’t cure or purge off, and *can fucking kill you*. The good news is you can easily test for them – just take a canister of the brand you wish to test and discharge it into a glass baking dish. Let it evaporate outside in the sun for several hours. After the butane evaps, the plate will still be cold and it will cause water condensation. Don’t be alarmed, this is not an indicator of contaminants. Wait several hours so that the water can evaporate off, and then run your bare finger across the glass where the butane was. Is it greasy? Do you see a smear? If so, that butane is unsuitable for extraction. I have historically liked Neon 5x, Mega 5X, and Colibri, as I have tested these as clean, but formulas change, and recently I have found all but Colibri to be impure, so it is important that you perform the clean plate test yourself every time! Don’t rely on others – I've been recommended the hugely popular Vector 5x by several in the medical community, and every time I do a clean plate test, there are at least 5g of industrial lubricants left behind. Turns out everyone liked it because of how much more oil they got when they used it, until I told them that extra 5g of oil wasn’t cannabinoids but poisons! This test is a good test of any solvent, and should be used before each extraction, regardless of method, if you are using a solvent.

Again to clarify; This while text was compiled by Vlad from OG.

There are some discrepancies in this regard; another” mentor” of mine is Gray Wolf from Skunkpharm' research. I've followed his teachings since day 1.

Either way, I'm still boycotting Vector.
Here is Gray Wolf/Fadedawag has to say.

There is no need for lubricant oils, as butane itself is a lubricant.

There is no bonding, the oil is in solution with the solvent. It is easily removed until it reaches the azeotropic balance, at which point the mixture boils at the same temperature as the individual constitutes.

As far as oil based, butane is a simple alkane, which is only carbon and hydrogen. Nothing inherently insalubrious about that.

To put it in perspective, it is non toxic enough to be used as a food propellent, at levels siginificantly greater than is found as residual solvent in even a poorly purged bho extract.

From an inhalation standpoint, it is a simple asphixiant and it took a 65% atmosphere of butane to smother half the rats tested and even a 75% atmosphere of oxygen will kill you.

Now, if you really want to put it into perspective, butane came from plant matter, that has been buried under heat and pressure for an extended period. Just like you can't eat any plant, because it may have toxic substances in it, crude oil has both healthy and unhealthy components. Neither butane, nor the oleaginous waxes are one of the unhealthy ones.

Lastly, if butane has all the lubricating oil and evil spirits in it that are touted, why don't they show up on the gas chromatographs when we test the extracts?

Ha!! Wtf?