harnessing a 30amp outlet. simple queston

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spek9

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Never fuck around with electrical, ever.

Insurance will not cover anything if the Fire Marshall determines that wiring was played with by a clearly incompetent 'electrician'.

I've seen these stories happen myself.

If you read anything on RIU that is promoting a shortcut, I'd advise you simply don't do it.

-spek
 
ScoobyDoobyDoo

ScoobyDoobyDoo

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spek9 said:
No, it actually isn't a code violation to have a grow room in a dwelling, and specifically, there's no electrical code in North America that explicitly states that it is a "gross code volation to grow marijuana in your house". In fact, no electrical codes states that even in looser terms whatsoever.

I can't personally say you're giving bad advice, but the advice you're giving is at minimum sketchy.

Everything should be done to minimum electrical code requirements in your area no matter what it's for or where one lives. In fact, I always advocate for above-code standards for contractors in not only electrical, but all trades..

-spek
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look up the word "sarcasm". considering you didn't see it the first time the definition should keep you busy for a while. i'll give you a hint...it's in the dictionary under S.
 
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spek9

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ScoobyDoobyDoo said:
look up the word "sarcasm". considering you didn't see it the first time the definition should keep you busy for a while. i'll give you a hint...it's in the dictionary under S.
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I'm known around here for my electrical commentary, and when I talk about it, sarcasm is never a part of it.

There is no joking around when it comes to the health and well-being of humans while building or designing a grow room.

Period.

-spek
 
haulinbass

haulinbass

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I agree with my fellow albertan, dont cut corners when it comes to anything that can kill someone. I CAN change the belts on a pumpjack without locking it out and chainig the weights by just using the brake, but one slip up and ill more than likely crush myself. People get complacent with stuff and they start to skip on saftey first.
Also why wouldnt you run your lighting off the 240 instead of the 120, use the 120 for fans and that stuff.
 
Sand4x105

Sand4x105

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SnapsProvolone said:
And my personal generator automatic transfer and load center.
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Can you point out your ground conductor that would attach to your uffer...
Can I post your pix to the NECA Mag in the back they always have a code fuck up section... can I post you up?
You could get famous....
 
ScoobyDoobyDoo

ScoobyDoobyDoo

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haulinbass said:
I agree with my fellow albertan, dont cut corners when it comes to anything that can kill someone. I CAN change the belts on a pumpjack without locking it out and chainig the weights by just using the brake, but one slip up and ill more than likely crush myself. People get complacent with stuff and they start to skip on saftey first.
Also why wouldnt you run your lighting off the 240 instead of the 120, use the 120 for fans and that stuff.
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problem is, there's no risk in running your neutral outside the existing raceway. it's just a "code" violation so captain NEC over here acts like it's going to burn his house down. i don't measure the distance of my outlets off the countertop when building a grow room even though there is a code for that. guy is growing weed in his house; and no matter what anyone says it's still illegal in the u.s. so skirting a code that isn't gonna do shit doesn't seem like that big a deal to me.
 
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spek9

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ScoobyDoobyDoo said:
problem is, there's no risk in running your neutral outside the existing raceway. it's just a "code" violation so captain NEC over here acts like it's going to burn his house down. i don't measure the distance of my outlets off the countertop when building a grow room even though there is a code for that. guy is growing weed in his house; and no matter what anyone says it's still illegal in the u.s. so skirting a code that isn't gonna do shit doesn't seem like that big a deal to me.
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It's a big deal to your insurance company.

I promise you this.

Don't circumvent code no matter what.

-spek

ps. It is also a big deal if you ever want to sell your house. Why not do it right the first time, so you don't have to hide things, or quickly do hack jobs?
 
ScoobyDoobyDoo

ScoobyDoobyDoo

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spek9 said:
It's a big deal to your insurance company.

I promise you this.

Don't circumvent code no matter what.

-spek

ps. It is also a big deal if you ever want to sell your house. Why not do it right the first time, so you don't have to hide things, or quickly do hack jobs?
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having your neutral outside the raceway on a converted 30amp dryer plug couldn't light a match; let alone your house. plus, i'm guessing if you ever sold your house you'd take down your grow room.
 
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spek9

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ScoobyDoobyDoo said:
having your neutral outside the raceway on a converted 30amp dryer plug couldn't light a match; let alone your house. plus, i'm guessing if you ever sold your house you'd take down your grow room.
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I won't argue on the technical facts you state here regarding having a neutral outside the raceway, so long as it is protected.

My point is that people shouldn't be enticed to circumvent code period, otherwise once they do it once, they'll figure out other ways to do so which may light their home on fire.

I'm not an antagonist here, I just like to know people are safe, that's all.

Middle ground?

-spek

ps. My grow room would be a feature selling point... I'm known in the self-sustainment advocacy arena... but I know that's not what you meant ;)
 
ScoobyDoobyDoo

ScoobyDoobyDoo

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i agree with you and do above code on almost all phases of electrical installation; but for the OP (who asked the question) is looking for a simple way to run a few extra things in his garage grow. this guy wants him to rip his drywall off and install new romex or conduit when it isn't needed. sometimes it just pays to be practical. especially when their isn't any danger.
 
SnapsProvolone

SnapsProvolone

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Neutral IS a current carrying conductor not a ground. There is a difference between a grounded and ground conductor.
 
SnapsProvolone

SnapsProvolone

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No box connector or staple is designed to work with thhn without a raceway. I don't expect you to understand the reason for the code, but at least have some respect for those of us that are licensed and wish to stay that way. If you truly did have a contractors license then you would know you could be held liable for doing even doing unlicensed trade work at all, let alone damages and/or injuries caused by any work you've done not to code. Just giving out poor advice could get someone and their family injured or homeless because you like to cut corners. I wouldn't sleep well knowing I gave bad advice. Say what you will to defend your stance, it only further proves the point that you don't care about building codes or the safety of occupants, rather for some unknown reason, you find it appealing to hand out bad advice.
 
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