Harvest a Pound Every Three Weeks!

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StinkBud could you help me..
ive got a nft tank. my question is.. should it be running 24/7.

NFT system. Yellowing Leaves. Need help.. could you check out this link and tell me what you think pls..
thanks...

cuckoo said:

StinkBud could you help me..
ive got a nft tank. my question is.. should it be running 24/7.

NFT system. Yellowing Leaves. Need help.. could you check out this link and tell me what you think pls..
thanks...

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I set my cycle timer to 1 minute on and 5 minutes off.

DaveTheNewbie said:

and here ends the lesson today folks

the only stumbling block with the full system that you use is that i cant drag it around from the veg tent to the flower tent. space is limited where i grow. i need to move them from A to B. You veg for 3 weeks so you can pull the net pot and drag it to the flower setup. if i veg/clone for 8 weeks will i be able to drag it in the net pot to the flower room? because thats the basis of my system. 8 weeks clone/veg and 8 weeks flower, 2 tents running at once. and very cramped.

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I would use two dual container veg systems with 3 plants in each. That way you could grow them big and still move them into the Aero/NFT system later. I've done this before.

I ran the PVC sprayer pipe through both units. Then I ran a drain hose from the top container into the res of the other unit. That way I only had to deal with one res.

I am doing 3 weeks clone and 3 weeks veg now. I could easily go another 4 weeks of veg if I only had 3-6 plants per container.

wow, this setup is almost magical... im so glad i joined up to this forum, you get so many cool threads such as this one, read the whole topic, a very good read +rep mate you obviously know what your doing!

if i had the space, this is the way forward, complicated yet simple in so many ways. a few bits not understood fully, but i guess every newbie has that problem.

ok i have th ultimate solution !

normal sized buckets with lids (say 10 litres).
one pot per bucket/lid.
at the bottom of each bucket is a drain to a common res.
the pump in the common res pumps to spray lines that go into the lid of each bucket.
there is zero equipment in each bucket and only 1 plant, so no root tangles and i can remove the pots easily no matter the size.
the root mass sits in a well drained bucket which sprays from above, so its dry when not being sprayed.
i can put 4 pots per lid for the cloner as an extra.
and i can have a 4 plant setup in my veg room and a 4 plant setup in my flower room and drag each plant from room to room as i want.
common res for feeding so i dont have to monitor each bucket, and never remove the bucket lids to monitor stuff.
ideal for me, and dead simple
and once its flowering i can just tie the plants from the roof

I have decided to use some PVC pipe for where the 4 drain lines attach to the res. it would look cool
Drain line is 19mm (3/4 inch i think)
Spray line is 13mm (1/2 inch i think)

ok here is my shopping list :

Per Bucket (multiply by 4)
1 milk crate to stand bucket on
1 bucket with lid
1 net pot
1 length spray line
1 length drain line
1 drain line grommet
4 spray/mist heads
4 tiny lines for spray/mist heads
4 plugs to put tiny lines into spray line
4 grommets for tiny line

Per Res (1 per system)
1 res bucket
1 pump
1 length spray line
3 T piece for spray line
1 grommet for spray line
small length pvc pipe
1 T pvc adaptor
2 screw T pvc adaptors
2 screw end pvc adaptors
pvc pipe grommet

Tools
pvc glue
silicone
drill (13mm, 19mm, pvc pipe hole, tiny line hole)

It's probably better to read an entire thread before making any comments...

tintala said:

where do you buy those neopreme inserts? also where is doe the sprayer go?

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Neoprene collars can found at your local Hydro shop. You need 2" net pots also.

Sprayers go between each net pot.

Read the whole thread and all your questions will be answered.

DaveTheNewbie said:

ok i have th ultimate solution !

normal sized buckets with lids (say 10 litres).
one pot per bucket/lid.
at the bottom of each bucket is a drain to a common res.
the pump in the common res pumps to spray lines that go into the lid of each bucket.
there is zero equipment in each bucket and only 1 plant, so no root tangles and i can remove the pots easily no matter the size.
the root mass sits in a well drained bucket which sprays from above, so its dry when not being sprayed.
i can put 4 pots per lid for the cloner as an extra.
and i can have a 4 plant setup in my veg room and a 4 plant setup in my flower room and drag each plant from room to room as i want.
common res for feeding so i dont have to monitor each bucket, and never remove the bucket lids to monitor stuff.
ideal for me, and dead simple
and once its flowering i can just tie the plants from the roof

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This is very similar to some of my first designs. I used 1/2" PVC pipe plumbed to each container(instead of hose). I had a 1/2" hose draining from each container into the single res. It worked great!

Plant support and height was my only issues with the system. Looks like you have both of those issues solved.

Looks like it could be a great alternative to a SOG with all the benefits of Aero also.

You should start a journal on your project so others can learn along with you.

Good luck bro!

Kludge said:

Well, I'm convinced, I'm going to build one of the cloners today. I tried cloning once before and every one of them died. I think I had it too hot; I had them sitting on an amp and they all turned yellow and died.

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It took me years to learn how to clone. Eventually I was able to figure it out but I always lost some plants.

The aero cloner works 100% of the time! It's almost too easy.

I never spray and don't use a humidity dome either.

What's weird is the plants never wilt. The cuttings act like they are still on the mother plant.

When I was doing my research on the design I read an article related to endangered trees. It seems that no one has ever been able to clone this one ancient species.

So they put a cutting in an aero cloner. It took a year but eventually it popped roots! And I'm getting impatient if I have to wait 7 days!

Thats really sweet, you remember what kind of tree it was stinkbud? I saw the aero cloners in action with tomato plants, and that sold me on them. I still gotta get, or build my own, but they sure do work well.

Just thought I would condense your feeding schedules, I found it difficult bouncing back and forth across multiple pages.

Can I ask your reason for going with Botanicare Nutes Better yields, Lower costs, no reason at all?
Have you tried using other brands? Canna, Dutchmaster, FoxFarm or any others?

I run this nutrient formula for vegetative growth:

Botanicare Nutrients:
126ML Cal-Mag Plus
180ML Liquid Karma
540ML Pure Bend Pro Vegetative Formula

I start at 1500 PPM and bring it up to 2000 PPM by the second week of veg. I change the nutrients every 3 weeks with each new crop.

I adjust my PH to 5.8

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Here is my formula for my flower room:

Botanicare Nutrients:
126ml Cal-Mag Plus
150ml Sweet
180ml Liquid Karma
540mlL Pure Bend Pro Bloom

I run 2000 PPM all the way until the flush cycle. Some strains like AK47 can handle over 3000 PPM without burning. Other strains show signs of tip burn at just 1700 PPM. Since I run 10 different strains I set my PPM for a good overall value.

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I built an Aerocloner for my cuttings yesterday. Have not misted them once and they look just as yummy, like they were still attached to the mother plant. Thank you very much!!!

From looking at your pics, it looks like you are using one 4x4x6 fence post cut in half. Each half being 36" long and your spacing for plants is about 3" apart. Am I correct?
Could you provide some detailed specs on your pvc rack. Going to estimate for now 30-32 L X 15 W x ?? Height would depend on growing enviornment.

Could you suggest a cheap PPM or EC Meter.

I too have built my cloner,, its all together and works great.
I still need to pick some clones up. i still need a timer for the pump,, one that can be set to go on for one minute and off for 5. havent found one that isnt expensive. any ideas? also like skinflute said where can i get a ppm meter that doesnt cost a fortune?

also when adding the nutes to the reservoir,
Botanicare Nutrients:
126ML Cal-Mag Plus
180ML Liquid Karma
540ML Pure Bend Pro Vegetative Formula

do you add each part listed above per gallon in the res? so if you use say 5 gallons then you use 5x each of the nutes? or do you just fill up the res and add what you said "126ML Cal-Mag Plus etc" ??

Hey Stink-nice thread, lot of work you put in here. I do a 60 day perpetual-19-21 days between harvests-like you it gives me flexibility as I have 6 strains in my "quiver"

Dirthawker and skinflute,

No disrespect but the Stink has shown you the way, listed the specific products but comparison shopping is why we have google. You may have to do some shopping in person to find the best competitive pricing on products locally but the tools of hydro.....a Ph pen, TDS meter and CAP-ART Timers (stands for Custom Automated Products-Adjustable Recycling Timer are all going to run $100-$125USD ea. maybe a few dollars more.

I don't know what you consider a fortune nor do I know where you are in the world but a LB of NYC Diesel in the SE-USA is 4800-5600USD.
At retail the $400 on those three items seems well worth it if you can produce 15-18k in bud every 2 months-i dunno i was in business for myself all my life and that is what i would consider a better than average return-on-investment.

Sufficed to say there are some things you can't get at Home Depot and there is serious investment to truly duplicate what Stinkbud is doing. i.e. the 1500-2000 he has in a Co2 system and that nice-ass greenhouse controller. (+rep on those stink, those are the last items on my list to complete my "5kw of Heaven" well my flower room anyway-individual temp/DNE's, CAP-ARTs, etc, etc. I should have gotten a main controller from the word go)
Make sure you have budgeted for the tools to control the science otherwise its not worth purchasing a pump. Sry to chime in like this but I just had to get that off my chest.........remember how much time he already put in this post for you.

Hey Stink - great thread by the way - very informative and useful. I bought the supplies and started to construct the system and when I was done I got to thinking....

I'm going to be using a 1000w HPS lamp but I built my top support at about 30 inches and my lower support at about 18 inches. I have a feeling that my lamp will be too far away when I first put my plants in the system. I was planning on putting them in at about 12 inches tall. Will I run into a problem with strecthing at all since the light is going to be about 20 - 24 inches away? I'm not worried about heat because I'll be using a lens with a squirrel cage fan to control heat.

Thanks -
DP

omg! please mail me some weed lol

Hey OLDINTHEWAY,, you forgot to mention all the private emails stinkbud and i have been exchanging, so far in my experience stink has been the most helpfull of all the thousands of people on this forum.....thanks STINK!!!

Also,, I grow meds for myself,, and if i can grow some quality meds for the people in my club then its just a bonus.

Can I ask your reason for going with Botanicare Nutes Better yields, Lower costs, no reason at all?

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Botanicare rules, plain and simple. 100% organic so the taste of your bud is as good as any organic old school hippie weed.

I learned the formula from my mentor and added Sweet for more aroma and flavor.

It's not cheap but worth every penny.

Have you tried using other brands? Canna, Dutchmaster, FoxFarm or any others?

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Yes, They are all good. I especially like FoxFarm.

I built an Aerocloner for my cuttings yesterday. Have not misted them once and they look just as yummy, like they were still attached to the mother plant. Thank you very much!!!

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It's amazing isn't it? You would think they would wilt or something but they they act like they have never even be cut.

From looking at your pics, it looks like you are using one 4x4x6 fence post cut in half. Each half being 36" long and your spacing for plants is about 3" apart. Am I correct?

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Yes your are correct but it's a 4 ft. fence post. I usually just cut down a 6 ft. fence post.

Could you provide some detailed specs on your pvc rack. Going to estimate for now 30-32 L X 15 W x ?? Height would depend on growing enviornment.

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Specs are close. Height depends on the res. Check back for a tutorial on building my systems. I'm just too busy right now to finish them.

Could you suggest a cheap PPM or EC Meter.

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I always recommend buying from your local Hydro store if you have one. If not do a search on Fleabay or Google. I'm sure something will come up.

I too have built my cloner,, its all together and works great.
I still need to pick some clones up. i still need a timer for the pump,, one that can be set to go on for one minute and off for 5. havent found one that isnt expensive. any ideas? also like skinflute said where can i get a ppm meter that doesnt cost a fortune?

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Unfortunately I have yet to find a cheap timer that goes down to 1 minute on. You have to pay a little under a hundred bucks.

I even tried to design one using IC chips and relays. I got it to work but it cost more to make than I can buy one for.

The good new is it's a one time expense. I also use the same timer for 5 different reservoirs. So the cost per system is only $20.

also when adding the nutes to the reservoir,
Botanicare Nutrients:
126ML Cal-Mag Plus
180ML Liquid Karma
540ML Pure Bend Pro Vegetative Formula

do you add each part listed above per gallon in the res? so if you use say 5 gallons then you use 5x each of the nutes? or do you just fill up the res and add what you said "126ML Cal-Mag Plus etc" ??

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Mix all the nutes in a 1 gallon milk container. Add some water and shake well. Now fill your res with water.

Add about half of the gallon mix (on a 18 gal res) and check your PPM. Keep adding and checking until you hit about 2000 PPM. That's a good safe number. Some strains can handle a lot more nutes. My Snowbud can handle over 3000 PPM but my Blueberry shows tip burn at 1700 PPM.

It's easy to add more but hard to take out!

After you have your PPM set check your PH. Most likely you will have to add PH down the first time.

I top off the water everyday and check the PPM and PH every couple of days. As soon as it drops to let's say 1800 PPM I'll add more of the formula.

Good luck Bro!