has anyone done a study on ROOTS??
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CLOSETGROWTH
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The more roots the better...
With a large amount of roots, the roots will supply the cola's with a greater amount of food, which in turn makes your yields far greater
With a large amount of roots, the roots will supply the cola's with a greater amount of food, which in turn makes your yields far greater
Hobbes
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We're doing some study and experimenting here. I've got all my plants in pots that make the roots branch instead of circling the bucket.
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-room-design-setup/303229-diy-air-pruning-pot-experiment.html
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We're doing some study and experimenting here. I've got all my plants in pots that make the roots branch instead of circling the bucket.
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-room-design-setup/303229-diy-air-pruning-pot-experiment.html
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Mr.Therapy Man
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Bigger roots mean bigger buds.I feed my root system more than the plant itself..I use humbolt ROOTS and hygrozime to feed my root systems.......Peace
CLOSETGROWTH
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Im using 4 air pots as an experiment, and I will say this.. They absolutely work..
We're doing some study and experimenting here. I've got all my plants in pots that make the roots branch instead of circling the bucket.
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-room-design-setup/303229-diy-air-pruning-pot-experiment.html
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My girls look much healthier, because the air is entering the root zone. Growth has improved substantially.
I will continue using the air pots.. a marvelous invention.
i replied to you but anyone can answer:The more roots the better...
With a large amount of roots, the roots will supply the cola's with a greater amount of food, which in turn makes your yields far greater
the reason i ask this is cause i see people doing ebb and flow. some people place a COCO mat under their rock wool to get more roots but this is like having the roots compete no?
miztaj
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I too have been using aerated pots, (Smart pots) fabric pot. Ive seen those air pots also,they look bad ass. I just harvested one of my girls grown in the smart pot and the root system is far more massive and fiberous than ive seen in regular pots. Healthy and strong roots are key to a healthy plant. In an ebb&flow or any soiless setup yes there seem to be competeing roots.But keep in mind that soiless mediums are continuously submerged or flooded in nutreint solution so theres plenty to compete for.
yeah but it's quite the difference from ebb and flow where the plant has a 6"x6"box to grow from to an 18 (24"x12"x18") gallon DWC. does all that extra root really make a huge difference? i haven't found any proof that it does.
yeah in nature larger roots are better cause nutrients aren't concentrated so roots seek out food. but in an indoor setting energy doesn't need to be in search of food. cause it can get all that it wants in any dosage we choose. so i don't really see how more roots is better.
dadio161
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I am using the big 6x6 blocks and I am not using anything under them. The block is big enough to handle a plant from start to finish, No mat needed. I am doing six, 6x6 blocks in a 2x4 flood table. The roots only come about 1" and my plants are looking very healthy. I am going to use them again on my next grow. I am starting week 5 on flowering. Major buds are a happening.
have you done any DWC grows? or tried with or without a cocomat?
CLOSETGROWTH
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Huh? When you feed the roots, you ARE feeding your plant.
fatman7574
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It all depends on the quaility of the root system which depends on the growing methodology. There are primary roots which have to be very numerous to provide for a plants needs, there are primary roots with lateral roots growing from them that increases efficiency. Then there are hair roots which are the best at uptaking water and nutrients. They are the least seen except with DWC with extreme circulation, Aero HP or aero air atomized systems. I would much rather have a quart of hair roots then 5 gallons of just primary and lateral roots.
shnkrmn
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I currently have 3+ foot plants growing in 5 inch net pots in a flood and drain. Their roots are confined to the net pots by air pruning. I flood 5 times a day and they don't seem to feel the lack of a large root mass to grow big buds (they do like to fall over though)
So I guess basic botany isn't the whole story.
So I guess basic botany isn't the whole story.
miztaj
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Great points everyone,Guess thats where indoor growing has such benefits. Being able to controll the enviroment. Very valid point on the lateral root strucure vs large main roots. My smart pot plants have more lateral fibers than main root shafts. Ive been looking at flood and drain setups and thinking about trying it with some of my 1 gallon smart pots.
fatman7574
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Or common sense apparently.
JimmyT
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Excellent! That's great if you prefer growing with soil. In fact, that should be the only way to grow in soil. I must say though, the most impressive root growth that I've personally seen is DWC with an intense amount of air bubbles. It's ridiculous! I used to rock that type of set-up but it doesn't work well with my methodology. The roots really do react favorably to more, aggressive air though.
fatman7574
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Actually it is the increased flow of water with DO reaching the root masses inner roots due to circulation from aggressive air they like because it causes seperation and movement of the roots. They couldnt really care less about the bubbles them selves. It takes very large bubbles or heavy circulation to cause enough surface turbulation to assure the water is saturated with DO. When you consider that a DWC should have circulation something like 50 to 60 times its gallonage per hour were talking a 24 gallon reservoir using a minimum of 1200 gph to 1500 gph for just a single reservoir. Double that if growing large plants with large root masses.
If depending on bubbles it takes a lot of big bubbles to get the roots seperated enough that good water flow can make it to the inside of the root mass. But, the roots could care less one way or the other how that is done, pump or air. with really god circulation the addition of air bubbles is realy a waste of money is all unless there is no surafce area for air exchange then small bubbles along with circulations should be used. Really though any DWC with a single reservoir is a poor design. It is very, very simple to run a DWC with very high DO and without root rot with an extra reservoir if the second reservoir contains no plants. Simply use it as another nutrient reservoir that is actually kept turbulent with pump action and use a venuri valve to draw air into the pump intake that is fed water by the other tank. Then pump this water at a high velocity into the reservoir with the plants. As long as you stop just short of shredding the roots with the pumped water full of very small bubbles you will then have a good DWC. Picture rapids on a river. That is what a DWC reservoir should look like.
If depending on bubbles it takes a lot of big bubbles to get the roots seperated enough that good water flow can make it to the inside of the root mass. But, the roots could care less one way or the other how that is done, pump or air. with really god circulation the addition of air bubbles is realy a waste of money is all unless there is no surafce area for air exchange then small bubbles along with circulations should be used. Really though any DWC with a single reservoir is a poor design. It is very, very simple to run a DWC with very high DO and without root rot with an extra reservoir if the second reservoir contains no plants. Simply use it as another nutrient reservoir that is actually kept turbulent with pump action and use a venuri valve to draw air into the pump intake that is fed water by the other tank. Then pump this water at a high velocity into the reservoir with the plants. As long as you stop just short of shredding the roots with the pumped water full of very small bubbles you will then have a good DWC. Picture rapids on a river. That is what a DWC reservoir should look like.