So I just got about 3.5 grams of high quality bubble hash from the trim of my last harvest (2 plants). I am going on a cruise here in about a month and was thinking of making a tincture to take with. After researching a bit I have seen several methods, but most use ground up bud. Anybody know a good recipe for a STRONG tincture using hash and kief? I did see one somewhere that said 6 grams to 500 ml everclear. Any thoughts? anyone??
Hash and/or Kief Tincture?
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qwizoking
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In the cannabis community "tincture" specifically refers to the use of the sugar alcohol glycerin for its ability to absorb under your tongue
Green dragon is a cannabis tincture of ethanol and absorbs largely orally, stomach/intestines
Glycerin is used because its more polar nature allows it to readily absorb sublingually through your mucous membranes... but this polarity also hinders solubility of the psychoactive components..glycerin will hold roughly 30% of its weight in hash..glycerine also has low dissolution rates making a longer soak necessary and fairly inefficient if your using it to extract. You should make hash out of your preferred method then dissolve the hash in hot glycerine ..
it will need to be decarbed ..at least 4 months without heat in a stored container .. the carboxyl group is -cooh which breaks into co2 and h2o.. and if you add moisture back it won't reform the chain...sooo it will decarb in a sealed environment like curing your weed. Because its sealed your bud doesn't loose precious components and remains hydrated and tasty just like good cured bud should....if you decarb in the oven not only is it much more inefficient, destroying your cannabinoids but also flavorful terpenes through pyrolisis, the terps left now aren't even the same, some are very sensitive and easily denatured... Now you could reflux(enclosed boil) to quickly decarb without loosing as much, given its cool before opening..ovens decarb will boil off most flavorful compounds.. without water, in the oven there's nothing holding them back,the terps are sort of trapped in the trichome behind a waxy layer and sort of clinging to internal moisture as well. With their similar boiling point they all boil away together in the oven
But decarbing hash oil over a double boil will allow you to watch the decarboxylation progress via co2 bubbles so you don't over or under do it..
Also the higher the temp you use the less efficient. This goes for every process when decarbed at 500(your lighter) 50%or so makes it as intact thc when decarbed at 210 70% makes it as thc..when decarbed at 170 something like 81%when decarbed without heat its in the 90's.....and because thca is a larger molecule, with its cooh carboxyl chain, decarbing will never be 100% efficient. Thc is just smaller...but low 90's is possible without heat..
Light and heat are the enemy of your terps
Now whether you mean ethanol oral tincture or a glycerin sublingual tincture the method is basically the same..your going to want all the hash dissolved in so heat it and slowly add till its saturated. Any hash floating around will largely not be absorbed or at least efficiently
Because thcs solubility or rather hash oils solubility is fairly constant you can use this to dose accurately. 27.4 mg thc/ml will remain dissolved in ethanol. Keep in mind this is thc nothash oil
Green dragon is a cannabis tincture of ethanol and absorbs largely orally, stomach/intestines
Glycerin is used because its more polar nature allows it to readily absorb sublingually through your mucous membranes... but this polarity also hinders solubility of the psychoactive components..glycerin will hold roughly 30% of its weight in hash..glycerine also has low dissolution rates making a longer soak necessary and fairly inefficient if your using it to extract. You should make hash out of your preferred method then dissolve the hash in hot glycerine ..
it will need to be decarbed ..at least 4 months without heat in a stored container .. the carboxyl group is -cooh which breaks into co2 and h2o.. and if you add moisture back it won't reform the chain...sooo it will decarb in a sealed environment like curing your weed. Because its sealed your bud doesn't loose precious components and remains hydrated and tasty just like good cured bud should....if you decarb in the oven not only is it much more inefficient, destroying your cannabinoids but also flavorful terpenes through pyrolisis, the terps left now aren't even the same, some are very sensitive and easily denatured... Now you could reflux(enclosed boil) to quickly decarb without loosing as much, given its cool before opening..ovens decarb will boil off most flavorful compounds.. without water, in the oven there's nothing holding them back,the terps are sort of trapped in the trichome behind a waxy layer and sort of clinging to internal moisture as well. With their similar boiling point they all boil away together in the oven
But decarbing hash oil over a double boil will allow you to watch the decarboxylation progress via co2 bubbles so you don't over or under do it..
Also the higher the temp you use the less efficient. This goes for every process when decarbed at 500(your lighter) 50%or so makes it as intact thc when decarbed at 210 70% makes it as thc..when decarbed at 170 something like 81%when decarbed without heat its in the 90's.....and because thca is a larger molecule, with its cooh carboxyl chain, decarbing will never be 100% efficient. Thc is just smaller...but low 90's is possible without heat..
Light and heat are the enemy of your terps
Now whether you mean ethanol oral tincture or a glycerin sublingual tincture the method is basically the same..your going to want all the hash dissolved in so heat it and slowly add till its saturated. Any hash floating around will largely not be absorbed or at least efficiently
Because thcs solubility or rather hash oils solubility is fairly constant you can use this to dose accurately. 27.4 mg thc/ml will remain dissolved in ethanol. Keep in mind this is thc nothash oil
DirtyJerzey
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Holy Shit Bro. Did you have all that info readily available? Or is this all from the top of your head?
Extremely informative man!!
Extremely informative man!!
qwizoking
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For a compound to have "drug likeness" it must have a polar surface area (psa) under 60 angstroms in order to cross the blood brain barrier.. in the polar acid form(thca) its psa is 66...meaning you will feel effects from cbd as the cb1 receptors give you a high and located in the brain.. the cb2 receptors are located throughout the body and don't require a reduction in polarity..no bb barrier to cross
a psa under 60 is optimum and some will cross up to about 70. thc at 66 will cross in high doses..this would be a huge waste of product however..especially since it takes relatively high doses to get high
a psa under 60 is optimum and some will cross up to about 70. thc at 66 will cross in high doses..this would be a huge waste of product however..especially since it takes relatively high doses to get high
qwizoking
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Sorry what I meant was...
A product that has not been decarbed has difficulty penetrating the brain.
But cb receptors aren't only located in the brain (cb2) so you will feel effects from compounds with a high affinity for cb2 receptors(cbd).if its not decarbed you will still feel cbd and get many medicinal benefits..
But for it to be psychoactive meaning for you to get high it needs to get to the brain.. the brain has a protective barrier that stops thca
For you to get high off a reasonable amount of hash it must be decarbed
If it is decarbed yes you will definitely feel effects
Hope that helped lol
A product that has not been decarbed has difficulty penetrating the brain.
But cb receptors aren't only located in the brain (cb2) so you will feel effects from compounds with a high affinity for cb2 receptors(cbd).if its not decarbed you will still feel cbd and get many medicinal benefits..
But for it to be psychoactive meaning for you to get high it needs to get to the brain.. the brain has a protective barrier that stops thca
For you to get high off a reasonable amount of hash it must be decarbed
If it is decarbed yes you will definitely feel effects
Hope that helped lol
DirtyJerzey
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Im soo lost. Hahahaha
charface
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Diddnt mean to jack your thread.
I have been messing with tinctures
and havent been able to get a buzz while getting medicinal benefits.
I have not been making mine starting with hash that has been heated properly.
So it wasn't working in that way.
I swear it has been helping my back.
Could be a placebo effect but either way
it has eased up a bit.
Hope you get lined out with what your after.
I have been messing with tinctures
and havent been able to get a buzz while getting medicinal benefits.
I have not been making mine starting with hash that has been heated properly.
So it wasn't working in that way.
I swear it has been helping my back.
Could be a placebo effect but either way
it has eased up a bit.
Hope you get lined out with what your after.
dont worry about it man. I have never made any wanted to have a discrete effective way to medicate while on that cruise.
I am thinking I will put the product in the oven at like 200 for 10 min or so then mix with glycerin at 10:1 ratio at low heat in a double boiler and see what happens. If I can find the glycerin. Lol
redeyedfrog
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Not sure if it will work or not, try using propolyne glycol
and glycerine and use a e-cig and see if that works with your hash.
i make my own ejuices and I'll give it a go after I trim, unless someone
tells me different cause it's a shot in the dark.
and glycerine and use a e-cig and see if that works with your hash.
i make my own ejuices and I'll give it a go after I trim, unless someone
tells me different cause it's a shot in the dark.
good to know. Was no shit about to use ever clear. Lol
Well my local Wallyworld didn't carry vegetable glycerin. In fact I asked several people that worked there and they all looked at me like I was speaking Chinese. Guess its off to amazon I go...
I thought about that but doesn't that still give you some smell when medicating? I will be with some family so keeping things low key is essential
redeyedfrog
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Only one way to find out and that's experimenting lol!
i reckon it would work because pg is a great suspension
and vape produces no smoke so if you dissolved your
resin in alcohol and mixed the soluble liquid with pg and vg
i think the smell would be minimal at best,
but like I said it's just a theory, I've never done it.
i reckon it would work because pg is a great suspension
and vape produces no smoke so if you dissolved your
resin in alcohol and mixed the soluble liquid with pg and vg
i think the smell would be minimal at best,
but like I said it's just a theory, I've never done it.