hatred for being an atheist

tyler.durden said:

Sounds good. I'm just pointing out to other members that there is no absolutely no empirical evidence to support your positive claim...

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Nor is there for yours, but does that make either of us wrong? These are questions that we as human beings are not yet able to answer by way of current technology. I've known since I first posted on this thread, that there is nothing that any of us can do to prove our beliefs to one another. All I'm trying to do is open up peoples minds a little bit. I've always found it baffling that most of us believe that we human beings have discovered all that there is to discover, and know all that there is to know about our universe. Common sense however, will tell you that such notions are absurd. We've only had access to sophisticated technology for less than a century. Any credible scientist will tell you there are countless things in our universe that we have absolutely no factual knowledge on. Only theories. So you have to ask yourself this.... if there are things in our universe that are left to be discovered and understood, then why it is so impossible to believe that there may be laws of physics that are yet to be discovered and understood?

Please stick to OPs original topic thanks

http://www.amazon.com/Mom-Dad-Im-Atheist-Non-believer/dp/1908675047

This essential guide to coming-out as a non-believer has been written to make it easier for atheists, agnostics, freethinkers, and non-believers of all ages and backgrounds to be open about their non-religiosity while minimizing the negative interactions in familial, social, and professional circles.

As a survival guide for non-believers who wish to come out, this book provides advice and resources for those interested in publically rejecting religious dogma as well as real stories from non-believers who have experienced coming-out to less-than-supportive family or friends.

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From dealing with grief from a secular perspective to handling potential clashes in religious worldviews between significant others, this book offers multiple perspectives from non-religious individuals who have generously shared their experiences to help those atheists who may find themselves in similar situations.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/01/10/exclusive-excerpt-david-g-mcafees-the-guide-to-coming-out-as-a-non-believer/

Confrontation is a natural part of any interaction involving a member of a family dissenting from the others, especially when it comes to the topic of religion or politics. But, on a more fundamental level, confrontation results from these religious discussions for one simple reason: You’re telling them that their most fundamental beliefs are wrong.

Even if you aren’t intending to set out persuading people to give up their religions, even if you couldn’t care less what other people believe, when you say, “I don’t believe in god(s),” it will always mean that, if they do, you believe they are wrong. This fact is one aspect that separates religious identification with other disagreements and discussions common within families. And it is about a topic that some people hold closer than all else — religion. In fact, that is one of the distinguishing features that separates “coming out” as an atheist and coming out in the traditional sense as within the LGBT community. It is not as if saying, “I’m gay,” inherently means, “Straight people are wrong to be straight.”

Further:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/01/10/exclusive-excerpt-david-g-mcafees-the-guide-to-coming-out-as-a-non-believer/

Lol what did I tell ya. As soon as I respond to Tyler.... here comes sunni. Since when is straying "off topic" going against forum regulations? Lol, there's been other people posting "off topic", including "off topic" videos for almost half the thread. Besides the original poster hasn't even said anything since about post 5. Discussions evolve and go off topic all the time and yet I've never seen a mod repeatedly instructing people (*me) to stay on topic. Yes your right, the word "atheist" hadn't been uttered in a few posts, but I think that the subject of existence is pretty much "on topic" with atheism don't you?

MojoRison said:

In my family you were given a choice, which to some was grounds enough to start a very heated, often violent debate.

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This explains my parents beliefs. They told me I'm my own person, so I can have my own beliefs.. then they told me I shouldn't deny god. Then told me it's ok to question it. Contradictory, I know. But they're my parents, what can I do besides shut my mouth? haha

So an update. Everything is fine. The same day I told my parents I was atheist, my aunt, who I hadn't seen in a while, was visiting. She was one of those high and mighty christians. The ones who will pray for YOUR "better good" (which means you'll be a better person if you believe). Me and her got into a heated debate and I asked her several questions that she did not like (and kept raising her preaching voice at me). Then she said the bible is from god, which I replied "jesus must work at a bible making factory then". She stood up and left, told me she'd pray for me, then stormed out grabbing her son behind her). It was a little awkward sitting there with my parents still at the table and just finding out I was atheist, after I released the thoughts I was holding in for years now. But the next day, we had a good laugh over how crazy my aunt is.. Things are better now, thank you guys! And to the members who repped me telling me they'd pray for me, thanks, but no thanks. I appreciate it if you put in thoughts for me hoping I can find peace.. but if you think less of me as a person because I don't believe in your god, just keep your prayers to yourself. I'm not god, so I don't need to hear them

SeniorFrostyKush said:

This video is truly the most poignant and accurate explanation of our estistance that I've ever seen. "Energy can neither be created or destroyed." That simple explanation of energy, is tant amount to proof, that we are all eternal. No, we very well may not end up at the pearly gates when we die, but our energy will none the less, remain in existence. That fact is scientifically irrefutable.

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the law "energy can neither be created or destroyed" doesn't mean we go to a place that has no proof to back up it's existence. In simple terms, it just means we die and our energy can easily provide a bears ability to shit in the woods (after eating the rabbit who ate the grass that got it's nutes from our decaying bodies). .. right?

That's pretty cool bro. I'm glad your parents didn't flip out on you like your aunt did. I know exactly what that shit is like, all my aunt's are exactly the same way and say all the same mindless shit. Now that you got all that off your chest, you can build a slightly new, but even more rewarding relationship with your parents. I'm sure the topic will probably come up again, and they'll probably try and do some subtle, or maybe not so subtle things to get you to reconsider, but eventually they'll come to terms (if they haven't already.)

I say believe in whatever you believe is the truth. If you don't believe there is a god then why should you be pressured into believing whats not true to you?

Believe in facts if they truly are facts. Believe in the most important facts or truth. You can obviously believe in things that are not facts or truth but you will be believing a lie. Believe in whatever you want but it will only be to your advantage if you believe in factual truth and you will be more right then wrong. And don't we all want to be right about the most important things in life?

Personally, I believe there might be a God because of creation. The creation, in My opinion, needs a Creator. I hope there is a God but I have never been able to prove Gods existence. But as far as most of the stories in the Bible go, I believe most of the stories in the Bible are myth and fairy tales to "entertain" the believer.

Believe in whatever you want but try and just believe factual truth, whatever that might be.

~PEACE~

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the law "energy can neither be created or destroyed" doesn't mean we go to a place that has no proof to back up it's existence. In simple terms, it just means we die and our energy can easily provide a bears ability to shit in the woods (after eating the rabbit who ate the grass that got it's nutes from our decaying bodies). .. right?

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Well, although that is an opinion and not necessarily a fact, it is definitely possible. However, I truly don't believe that to be the case. In my opinion, there's more and more science emerging each and every year to back up the notion that our consciousness is a separate entity from our physical bodies, and that the energy that is our consciousness, carries on after our physical death. This belief has nothing to do with religion, but everything to due do with how you interpret the scientific facts at hand.

since I made this thread and don't feel like making another.. I wanna vent about how I hate that some religious people feel like you have something against their god simply because you don't believe. I have nothing against the tooth fairy either.

When I was realizing I didn't believe in the bible or god, I had a really tough time accepting my own thoughts (I'm sure some of the "original" ssp members remember). I hated myself at one point because I couldn't believe. I honestly mean I hated myself. So I really dislike it when people tell me to stop "rejecting" god, open my heart, and pray". I tried all of those. I really did as best as I could. But my own logic lead me the other way as much as I wanted to keep the idea of a happy afterlife. It wasn't easy, so I hate how they tell me it's easy to do. Sure it is, if you have "belief like a child" (which is what my aunt told me to have) I'm not rejecting "god's love", just the idea of him. I couldn't believe any of it no matter how hard I tried.

Nevaeh420 said:

Personally, I believe there might be a God because of creation. The creation, in My opinion, needs a Creator. I hope there is a God but I have never been able to prove Gods existence. But as far as most of the stories in the Bible go, I believe most of the stories in the Bible are myth and fairy tales to "entertain" the believer.

~PEACE~

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I share your beliefs wholeheartedly in regards the above quote. But, I have to ask.... when speaking in regards to the philosophical, how does a person determine what is truly fact, and what isn't?

SeniorFrostyKush said:

I share your beliefs wholeheartedly in regards the above quote. But, I have to ask.... when speaking in regards to the philosophical, how does a person determine what is truly fact and what isn't?

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Some things are totally subjective and its not necessarily right or wrong because its a matter of opinion or whatever. One person might believe one way and another person might believe another way on something subjective and it doesn't matter.

Facts are things that really happened or can happen. Opinions are totally subjective and they don't matter as much as facts.

I don't know how to determine fact from fiction sometimes because the fiction might be proposed as fact. But try and go with what has the most evidence that makes sense to your scientific brain.

Try and just learn the most important facts because there are trillions of facts that don't matter at all.

I'm not expert on anything to be honest, I'm just going to give you My humble opinion like I always do.

~PEACE~

SeniorFrostyKush said:

Nor is there for yours, but does that make either of us wrong?

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Well, what I stated about us being made from star stuff, and what happens to our physical bodies upon our death is not opinion, but scientific fact. I then stated that everything we can witness about our unique consciousness is lost along with our decomposing bodies, this also is not opinion, but scientific fact. Anything posited past these facts is mere speculation at this point; sure, there could be more to it that we have yet to discover, but there is no empirical evidence for it at this point...

These are questions that we as human beings are not yet able to answer by way of current technology. I've known since I first posted on this thread, that there is nothing that any of us can do to prove our beliefs to one another.

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On this subforum, I've seen people change their beliefs when sufficient evidence is presented to the contrary (in the form of links to scientific, peer reviewed data). My own beliefs have changed several times over the last few years as a direct result of other members here showing me where my beliefs were erroneous, and I've witnessed other members go through the same process...

All I'm trying to do is open up peoples minds a little bit. I've always found it baffling that most of us believe that we human beings have discovered all that there is to discover, and know all that there is to know about our universe. Common sense however, will tell you that such notions are absurd. We've only had access to sophisticated technology for less than a century. Any credible scientist will tell you there are countless things in our universe that we have absolutely no factual knowledge on. Only theories. So you have to ask yourself this.... if there are things in our universe that are left to be discovered and understood, then why it is so impossible to believe that there may be laws of physics that are yet to be discovered and understood?

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I cannot recall one time where anyone has stated that humanity has discovered all there is about the cosmos, so your experience is very different than my own. On the contrary, most people I've run across believe we are just getting started in our quest of discovery. There very well be other physical laws we've yet to discover, my point is there is no evidence for it at this point, so anything said about them is mere speculation. One thing I'd like to address is the word theory. You are using the term as a layman, and is not the way we use it in science. Theory is the highest form of scientific knowledge and has amazing predictive power, it is made up of many facts and laws, is painstakingly constructed and is under constant barrage by other scientists trying to knock it down. The more assault it withstands, the more credible it becomes. It is not merely a guess on a whim. If you truly would like to open people's minds and claim that there is science to support your position, you need to start posting links to this data so other can take a look for themselves. It also may help to come familiarize yourself with scientific terms such as theory, and perhaps become familiar with logical fallacies as most members here are -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Logical_fallacies

Gee whiz, who woulda guessed that Tyler would once again come off like a complete asshole.... I never would have seen it coming.... You're exactly the same as an elitist Christian, homie. Zero difference.

tyler.durden said:

Well, what I stated about us being made from star stuff, and what happens to our physical bodies upon our death is not opinion, but scientific fact.

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True, I've never refuted that....

I then stated that everything we can witness about our unique consciousness is lost along with our decomposing bodies, this also is not opinion, but scientific fact.

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Lmfao! Explain to me how that's scientific fact..... Those would be your own atheist beliefs, not scientific fact.

Anything posited past these facts is mere speculation at this point; sure, there could be more to it that we have yet to discover, but there is no empirical evidence for it at this point...

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For someone so familiar with scientific terms, it's sure funny how you continue to use these said terms in the wrong diction. I don't think that "empirical" was the word that you were looking for smartass. Go ahead, pull up websters and familiarize yourself with it's definition....

I've seen people change their beliefs when sufficient evidence is presented to the contrary (in the form of links to scientific, peer reviewed data). My own beliefs have changed several times over the last few years as a direct result of other members here showing me where my beliefs were erroneous, and I've witnessed other members go through the same process...

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You very well may have.... but I think it's far more likely that this statement was just your attempt to throw an underhanded jab my way......

I cannot recall one time where anyone has stated that humanity has discovered all there is about the cosmos, so your experience is very different than my own.

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Obviously

There very well be other physical laws we've yet to discover, my point is there is no evidence for it at this point, so anything said about them is mere speculation.

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The same can be said for each and every one of your unproven beliefs....

I'd like to address is the word theory. You are using the term as a layman, and is not the way we use it in science. Theory is the highest form of scientific knowledge and has amazing predictive power, it is made up of many facts and laws, is painstakingly constructed and is under constant barrage by other scientists trying to knock it down. The more assault it withstands, the more credible it becomes. It is not merely a guess on a whim.

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Damn, don't you just hate all of us laymen..... Note to Self: substitute the word "theory", for the more scientifically accurate term "speculation". Do I get an A on my test now Professor Durden? Oh and BTW, I think that would be your own conceptualized definition of the word "theory". Again refer to websters....

If you truly would like to open people's minds and claim that there is science to support your position, you need to start posting links to this data so other can take a look for themselves.

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I'll say this once more.... There's no way in hell that I'd bother to waste my time, collecting and posting my own, or anyone else's personal experiences for you and your little group to mock. They would not be taken as credible, and due to your pompous nature, you would immediately post another smartass comment saying how personal experiences are not "empirical" (lol) scientific fact. I'm not stupid enough to think that I could get a room full of atheists to BELIEVE in anything. Lol, look, an oxymoron: atheist/belief.....

perhaps become familiar with logical fallacies.

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Lmao! You wouldn't know logic or truth if they hit you square between the eyes.... and you can be rest assured that someday they will. This is the end of this little philosophical pissing contest for me. Have a nice life Tyler. Better enjoy it while it lasts, right? Lmao! Two closing words: Spiritual Ineptitude.

SeniorFrostyKush said:

Gee whiz, who woulda guessed that Tyler would once again come off like a complete asshole.... I never would have seen it coming.... You're exactly the same as an elitist Christian, homie. Zero difference.

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Except his beliefs have demonstrable evidence. Not just 'it's written in a book'.

Lmfao! Explain to me how that's scientific fact..... Those would be your own atheist beliefs, not scientific fact.

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We know what happens to people who have severe brain damage. We have seen and tested countless psychological conditions that affect peoples personalities, memories, etc., etc., ad nauseum. We know not only where memories and personality is stored in the brain, but how to affect them.

Dr.'s are not affecting the 'soul'.

For someone so familiar with scientific terms, it's sure funny how you continue to use these said terms in the wrong diction. I don't think that "empirical" was the word that you were looking for smartass. Go ahead, pull up websters and familiarize yourself with it's definition....

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Foot in mouth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empirical_evidence

"Empirical evidence (also empirical data, sense experience, empirical knowledge, or the a posteriori) is a source of knowledge acquired by means of observation or experimentation.[SUP][1][/SUP] Empirical evidence is information that justifies a belief in the truth or falsity of an empirical claim. In the empiricist view, one can only claim to have knowledge when one has a true belief based on empirical evidence. This stands in contrast to the rationalist view under which reason or reflection alone is considered to be evidence for the truth or falsity of some propositions.[SUP][2][/SUP] The senses are the primary source of empirical evidence. Although other sources of evidence, such as memory, and the testimony of others ultimately trace back to some sensory experience, they are considered to be secondary, or indirect.[SUP][2]"[/SUP]

You very well may have.... but I think it's far more likely that this statement was just your attempt to throw an underhanded jab my way......

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Sorry you see it that way, T.D. is a really nice guy.

Obviously The same can be said for each and every one of your unproven beliefs....

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Belief is only justified when the burden of proof is filled. The default position is always non-belief. You wouldn't believe in a magical tea pot orbiting saturn just because someone told you it existed, would you? You would want to see evidence that supported its existence, right?

Damn, don't you just hate all of us laymen..... Note to Self: substitute the word "theory", for the more scientifically accurate term "speculation". Do I get an A on my test now Professor Durden? Oh and BTW, I think that would be your own conceptualized definition of the word "theory". Again refer to websters....

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Foot in mouth #2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

"A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on knowledge that has been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] Scientists create scientific theories from hypotheses that have been corroborated through the scientific method, then gather evidence to test their accuracy. As with all forms of scientific knowledge, scientific theories are inductive in nature and aim for predictive and explanatory force.[SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][4]"[/SUP]

I'll say this once more.... There's no way in hell that I'd bother to waste my time, collecting and posting my own, or anyone else's personal experiences for you and your little group to mock. They would not be taken as credible, and due to your pompous nature, you would immediately post another smartass comment saying how personal experiences are not "empirical" (lol) scientific fact. I'm not stupid enough to think that I could get a room full of atheists to BELIEVE in anything. Lol, look, an oxymoron: atheist/belief.....

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Atheists believe all kinds of things, we just need proof first. We don't believe on faith, if you do that's cool; but don't make your case about your beliefs and get pissed when people poke holes in it.

Lmao! You wouldn't know logic or truth if they hit you square between the eyes.... and you can be rest assured that someday they will. This is the end of this little philosophical pissing contest for me. Have a nice life Tyler. Better enjoy it while it lasts, right? Lmao! Two closing words: Spiritual Ineptitude.

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Damn, that barely got out of the opening round....

SeniorFrostyKush said:

Gee whiz, who woulda guessed that Tyler would once again come off like a complete asshole.... I never would have seen it coming....

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Damn, I was really attempting to be polite and cordial, too...

You're exactly the same as an elitist Christian, homie. Zero difference.

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Except for the jesus thing. Also, all of the science and logic to support my views...

True, I've never refuted that.... Lmfao! Explain to me how that's scientific fact..... Those would be your own atheist beliefs, not scientific fact.

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When our bodies die, all circulation and electrical energy production ceases. Our mind/consciousness emerges from our brains in the form of electrical neuronal firing and neurotransmitter activity, and these cease when we die. Our bodies then decompose into dust, and there is no sign of any activity at all. That's why I stated that by all indications, our consciousness/I-ness ceases to exist. This is what science observes, anything past this view is speculation or faith...

For someone so familiar with scientific terms, it's sure funny how you continue to use these said terms in the wrong diction. I don't think that "empirical" was the word that you were looking for smartass. Go ahead, pull up websters and familiarize yourself with it's definition....

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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/empirical

3 : capable of being verified or disproved by observation or experiment <empirical laws>

You very well may have.... but I think it's far more likely that this statement was just your attempt to throw an underhanded jab my way......

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I'm sure other members could verify my statements, as they were here and witnessed this process in myself and others...

Obviously The same can be said for each and every one of your unproven beliefs....

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Which beliefs are those?

Damn, don't you just hate all of us laymen.....

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Not at all. Ignorance is easily forgiven and rectified, willful ignorance to protect cherished, unfounded beliefs are a different matter...

Note to Self: substitute the word "theory", for the more scientifically accurate term "speculation". Do I get an A on my test now Professor Durdan? Oh and BTW, I think that would be your own conceptualized definition of the word theory. Again refer to websters...

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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theory
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a : a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena <the wave theory of light>


c : a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject <theory of equations>

I'll say this once more.... There's no way in hell that I'd bother to waste my time, collecting and posting my own, or anyone else's personal experiences for you and your little group to mock. They would not be taken as credible, and due to your pompous nature, you would immediately post another smartass comment, saying how personal experiences are not "empirical" (lol) scientific fact.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

This is a good example of why you may want to familiarize yourself with logical fallacies. They will help you with your critical thinking process and cognitive abilities...

I'm not stupid enough to think that I could get a room full of atheists to BELIEVE in anything. Lol, look, an oxymoron: atheist/belief.....

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Atheism tells you only one thing about a person, the lack of belief in deities. It doesn't tell you what one does believe...

Lmao! you wouldn't know logic or truth if it hit you square between the eyes.... and you can be rest assured that someday it will.

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Well, at least I'm trying...

This is the end of this little philosophical pissing contest for me. Have a nice life Tyler. Better enjoy it while it lasts, right? Lmao!

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You didn't fair very well this time, but something tells me you'll be back. There is lots to learn!

Two closing words: Spiritual Ineptitude.

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Not really interested...

Sorry for butting in T.D., I just couldn't help myself.

SeniorFrostyKush said:

Gee whiz, who woulda guessed that Tyler would once again come off like a complete asshole.... I never would have seen it coming.... You're exactly the same as an elitist Christian, homie. Zero difference. True, I've never refuted that.... Lmfao! Explain to me how that's scientific fact..... Those would be your own atheist beliefs, not scientific fact. For someone so familiar with scientific terms, it's sure funny how you continue to use these said terms in the wrong diction. I don't think that "empirical" was the word that you were looking for smartass. Go ahead, pull up websters and familiarize yourself with it's definition.... You very well may have.... but I think it's far more likely that this statement was just your attempt to throw an underhanded jab my way...... Obviously The same can be said for each and every one of your unproven beliefs.... Damn, don't you just hate all of us laymen..... Note to Self: substitute the word "theory", for the more scientifically accurate term "speculation". Do I get an A on my test now Professor Durden? Oh and BTW, I think that would be your own conceptualized definition of the word "theory". Again refer to websters.... I'll say this once more.... There's no way in hell that I'd bother to waste my time, collecting and posting my own, or anyone else's personal experiences for you and your little group to mock. They would not be taken as credible, and due to your pompous nature, you would immediately post another smartass comment saying how personal experiences are not "empirical" (lol) scientific fact. I'm not stupid enough to think that I could get a room full of atheists to BELIEVE in anything. Lol, look, an oxymoron: atheist/belief..... Lmao! You wouldn't know logic or truth if they hit you square between the eyes.... and you can be rest assured that someday they will. This is the end of this little philosophical pissing contest for me. Have a nice life Tyler. Better enjoy it while it lasts, right? Lmao! Two closing words: Spiritual Ineptitude.

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Sorry for butting in T.D., I just couldn't help myself.

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I always enjoy the products of that big, beautiful brain of yours

Beefbisquit said:

Except his beliefs have demonstrable evidence. Not just 'it's written in a book'.



We know what happens to people who have severe brain damage. We have seen and tested countless psychological conditions that affect peoples personalities, memories, etc., etc., ad nauseum. We know not only where memories and personality is stored in the brain, but how to affect them.

Dr.'s are not affecting the 'soul'.


Foot in mouth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empirical_evidence

"Empirical evidence (also empirical data, sense experience, empirical knowledge, or the a posteriori) is a source of knowledge acquired by means of observation or experimentation.[SUP][1][/SUP] Empirical evidence is information that justifies a belief in the truth or falsity of an empirical claim. In the empiricist view, one can only claim to have knowledge when one has a true belief based on empirical evidence. This stands in contrast to the rationalist view under which reason or reflection alone is considered to be evidence for the truth or falsity of some propositions.[SUP][2][/SUP] The senses are the primary source of empirical evidence. Although other sources of evidence, such as memory, and the testimony of others ultimately trace back to some sensory experience, they are considered to be secondary, or indirect.[SUP][2]"[/SUP]



Sorry you see it that way, T.D. is a really nice guy.



Belief is only justified when the burden of proof is filled. The default position is always non-belief. You wouldn't believe in a magical tea pot orbiting saturn just because someone told you it existed, would you? You would want to see evidence that supported its existence, right?



Foot in mouth #2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

"A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on knowledge that has been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] Scientists create scientific theories from hypotheses that have been corroborated through the scientific method, then gather evidence to test their accuracy. As with all forms of scientific knowledge, scientific theories are inductive in nature and aim for predictive and explanatory force.[SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][4]"[/SUP]



Atheists believe all kinds of things, we just need proof first. We don't believe on faith, if you do that's cool; but don't make your case about your beliefs and get pissed when people poke holes in it.




Damn, that barely got out of the opening round....

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You didn't poke holes in anything homie, your pompous ass just thinks you did and that's the funny part. Lol, all you sure have a talent for wording things in such a way, as to make it seem like you've made some sort of positive affirmation, when in reality, you've affirmed absolutely nothing at all. Lmao, things don't just become facts because you decide that their facts. Yup its over in round 1. I have no doubt that a close minded atheist could argue their beliefs/non beliefs, for days at a time, because that's what you guys live for. You all think that your the pinnacle of human intelligence and its fucking hilarious. I on the other hand have better things to do. Ok now you can go ahead and type out another misleading affirmative post, talking as if you've somehow gained the upper hand by something that you've said. Which hasn't happened yet BTW. Have a great life everybody. Some day in the future, you'll think back to this discussion and go, "holy shit, he was actually right." I on the other hand will forget about this all by tomorrow and never have a reason to remember any of you ever again. Don't fret my boy, your soul is eternal whether you choose to believe it or not. It's a beautiful thing.