Hawaii Growers

Puna Bud said:

At the prices our local lawmakers are asking,...I doubt it brah! Why would they come here when Cali & Colorado, New Mexico , Michigan,all have dispensaries already, and are way closer & cheaper. Hawaii lawmakers are trying to double dip if you know what I mean? Sales tax from buyer, then tax them because they are from outta state? No, just take the sales tax and be happy, no need be greedy too!?

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the proposed fees are high in comparison to Ca , double dip is right , just speculating but i dont think it would a major draw outside of the trivial lavish folks that seek exotic medicines from Hawaii...not saying there wont be Xtra special visitors..there could be a unique village with a dispensary , mud bath , lomi lomi the whole nine a barefoot retreat with a waiting list a lifetime long ! ..talking charlie and the chocolope factory.
I would not paticipate for a number of reasons...one man band lol...id be in the red with those taxes in no time ..even IF i could produce the quality and meet the standards.
i know for a fact however that they had to put a limit on the amount of dispensaries on the mainland..it took off like wildfire.
if it passes there will be entrepeneruers staking claims here ...double edge sword ...
dam interested in hows this developes

Someone in the legislature is praying these bills pass. One of Clayton hee's neighbors said they saw him coming out of the mountains with a gun and a full trash bag. Hmmmmmm.... Maybe he was just picking up rubbish?

be cool if it passes..then Clayton can bust outta the closet with his real last name ...Clayton Heemp ..think green

Someone told me recently there would be one trial dispen. on Maui, and none on the other islands for 5 years per an ammend on SB1458.......anyone know anymore on this?

DelSlow said:

$10k for a permit to grow? Save your pennies guys...

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Curious, so a Dispensary "grower" has to pay 10K, then is allowed 7 plants per patient from the dispensary from whom they have to get the right to grow for. that dispensary has to buy th epot from you then SELL it to those individuals whose license you are using thus profiting off you... now How much dried and cured pot would a person have to grow in a year to cover the 10K license fee and make a profit after nutrients, soil, electricity? How many patients licenses would need to be issued to you from a dispensary in order for you to grow enough to offset costs and the 10k fee....

The dispensary weed will most likely suck since it will have to be grown in the cheapest way just to break even. I'm better off just sticking with my legal 7 plants for myself as there is no way to profit... (oh yes and in the bill I read that the grower is also responsible for installing a high tech security camera system and having a dedicated internet connection to ensure police can watch those cameras 24/7, AND you have to have the computers and harddrives to record 72 hours at all times...

(course I got a security system so if anyone were to try to take my stuff i'd know who they were within a very short period of time, but i'm not saying how its setup or how much it cost me, its not cheap)

Anyway, I don't see how the dispensaries will get anything quality for the medical patients in need of safe access unless a dispensary and growers donate their time and a hell of a lot of money without expecting anything in return. Too bad, it would have been nice to be a medical grower.

Dont forget that the dispensary which buys the pot has to pay a fee on it, pay for their rent, their security, their electricity, their employees, so lets say that means they can't afford to buy it for more than $50.00 an ounce. YOu are allowed to grow 7 plants per patients at 1 ounce allowed per plant (how you dictate that is like dictating the direction of the wind in a valley), but you are only allowed 6oz per patient at the dispensary, so thats $300 a patient, say you do 4 grows a year you would make $1,200 a year per patient.. Now lets say the dispensary allocates you 6 patients. And IF those patients purchased EVERY single bit you sold so there was no need to work out a loss with the dispensary, best scenario, you would be making $7,200 a year and spending 10K on the license and with electric, materials, etc not even counting the time you work, you woudl have to spend probly anohter 10k. So you would lose $12,000 a year growing pot for ill people... Expensive to do good.

@ tardis seems like you have to be rich to operate within the "legal guidelines". I get what they're doing now. They're gonna pass all the necessary bills and say "HI now allows dispensaries" when in fact, no regular grower(s) can afford the permits. I don't know about you guys, but it's not like I have an extra 20k every year for the dispensary liscence.

I see no money in the system they have going. And that's exactly what they want. No dispensaries.

DelSlow said:

@ tardis seems like you have to be rich to operate within the "legal guidelines". I get what they're doing now. They're gonna pass all the necessary bills and say "HI now allows dispensaries" when in fact, no regular grower(s) can afford the permits. I don't know about you guys, but it's not like I have an extra 20k every year for the dispensary liscence.

I see no money in the system they have going. And that's exactly what they want. No dispensaries.

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Part of me just thinks they are ignorant to facts like you can't grow harvest and cure plants in 2 weeks, and the fact that they have a deep aversion and hate for Hawaii's citizens who are disabled. Either they just love to see the people who put them in office suffer and have worse health, or they are too lazy to do the research to figure out the right choice in their job voting on anything, or they are just unintelligent.

Oh well. I will say a passage of this bill will be a good thing for the long term health of Hawaiis people.

PS, I gotta stop my ranting, people might take me seriously.

Week 7 shot...

SurfdOut said:

Someone told me recently there would be one trial dispen. on Maui, and none on the other islands for 5 years per an ammend on SB1458.......anyone know anymore on this?

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I heard something along those lines too. I tell you what, this is bullshit! Already I smell a dirty money trail leading to lawmaker's doorsteps! They call these place "compassion centers" for a reason, and setting up one on Maui for five year trial is bullshit! I gotta ask too, why Maui? If you're only gonna set up one isle for a trial basis, it should be the Big Island, not Maui! If 57% of the registered medical cannabis users are concentrated on the Big Island, this should be the pilot island, not fucking Maui. Why Maui, I'm assuming Kalani English wrote the bill, and has had his pockets greased by local pro medical cannabis advocates from Maui. But I'l be damn if I'm gonna sit back and let this shit happen right in front of me. There something corrupt about this decision!?

Puna Bud said:

I heard something along those lines too. I tell you what, this is bullshit! Already I smell a dirty money trail leading to lawmaker's doorsteps! They call these place "compassion centers" for a reason, and setting up one on Maui for five year trial is bullshit! I gotta ask too, why Maui? If you're only gonna set up one isle for a trial basis, it should be the Big Island, not Maui! If 57% of the registered medical cannabis users are concentrated on the Big Island, this should be the pilot island, not fucking Maui. Why Maui, I'm assuming Kalani English wrote the bill, and has had his pockets greased by local pro medical cannabis advocates from Maui. But I'l be damn if I'm gonna sit back and let this shit happen right in front of me. There something corrupt about this decision!?

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I feel like the guy in your avatar

Whats this mean? Does this mean it passes after the GOV signs it into law? Kinda confused with the legislation process


SB1458 SD2 HD1
3/22/2011 H The committees on JUD recommend that the measure be PASSED, WITH AMENDMENTS. The votes were as follows: 11 Ayes: Representative(s) Keith-Agaran, Rhoads, Brower, Cabanilla, Herkes, Ito, Luke, McKelvey, B. Oshiro, Tsuji, Thielen; Ayes with reservations: none; 2 Noes: Representative(s) Fontaine, Marumoto; and 2 Excused: Representative(s) Carroll, Souki.

Cru3l said:

Whats this mean? Does this mean it passes after the GOV signs it into law? Kinda confused with the legislation process


SB1458 SD2 HD1
3/22/2011 H The committees on JUD recommend that the measure be PASSED, WITH AMENDMENTS. The votes were as follows: 11 Ayes: Representative(s) Keith-Agaran, Rhoads, Brower, Cabanilla, Herkes, Ito, Luke, McKelvey, B. Oshiro, Tsuji, Thielen; Ayes with reservations: none; 2 Noes: Representative(s) Fontaine, Marumoto; and 2 Excused: Representative(s) Carroll, Souki.

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I think it means it passed all committees. Now onto the house/senate? Just guessing.

Edit: nevermind, it has to pass 1 more committee. If it passes, then it goes to the senate.

Anyone have the amendments to the bill?

Found "unofficial" amendments:

General excise tax of 30% to go to general fund
Establishes a pilot program on Maui for 5 years, with one dispensary
Requires*24/7 live video feed to law enforcement
Requires*24/7 unannounced access for law enforcement
Non-card holders not allowed on premises
Dispensary must be 600 yards (not feet!) from nearest schools, etc
No use on premises
Edibles must meet DOH food production standards
Annual licensing fee (which is still not determined) for the dispensary will go to Maui County.

This blows! Now the cops want to watch me scratch my ass while I tend to my plants...

I think the camera's refer to the the dispensary

Cru3l said:

I think the camera's refer to the the dispensary

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I think you're right. I read the bill again, but in the security section it says

**** §329-H* Security of licensed premises for public safety concerns. *(a)* All licensees shall implement appropriate security and safety measures to deter and prevent the theft of marijuana and the unauthorized entrance onto the licensee's business premises.
**** (b)* All licensees shall:
**** (1)* Install a security camera surveillance system with seventy-two hours of storage capacity;
**** (2)* Install an alarm system for break-ins that is connected to an alarm company to alert law enforcement of break-ins; and
**** (3)* Store marijuana in a locked area on the premises.

They should have said "class 1 licensees" instead of "all", class 1 being the dispensary license.

hey yall it jeb sayin high to my brahs in hi. greenhorn,kkday,sufdout. was good guys?
heres a clip of what sum of us do in the winter in northern mn. check it surfing in a ice blizzard.
http://cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2011/03/23/vo.mn.blizzard.surfing.kdlh

Hey Jeb- How ya been? Thanks for the vid! Those dudes are so punk. I don't go outdoors if it's less than 70 degrees. Thanks for the memories though, reminds me of when I was 18 surfing in N. Japan up by Russia in snow storms and getting my shit handed to me. I was surfing by myself late one summer night at a sick rivermouth/beachbreak, drove home and an hour later a tsunami erased the village I was surfing in front of, didn't feel the quake cause was driving. About 3 years ago I had an opportunity to go and live on the beach in Sendai and just surf and teach english, damn glad I went home to the islands...

SurfdOut said:

Hey Jeb- How ya been? Thanks for the vid! Those dudes are so punk. I don't go outdoors if it's less than 70 degrees. Thanks for the memories though, reminds me of when I was 18 surfing in N. Japan up by Russia in snow storms and getting my shit handed to me. I was surfing by myself late one summer night at a sick rivermouth/beachbreak, drove home and an hour later a tsunami erased the village I was surfing in front of, didn't feel the quake cause was driving. About 3 years ago I had an opportunity to go and live on the beach in Sendai and just surf and teach english, damn glad I went home to the islands...

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brah too bad you missed that sick wave! the tsunamis are after you, stay mauka!