Headband and OG Kush grow (LST)

DST said:

The prob with The Netherlands is that it is not actually legal to grow here under anything except the sun!! So no indoor growing is actually legal believe it or not. The police have an agency that go around busting grow rooms, so the anxiety and paranoia is still there my friend! It's such a mad set up, it's basically decriminalised (sold through coffeeshops) but it's not legal to grow - eh?!?! So get this, if you own a coffeshop, and you are taking weed to your shop and you get stopped by the police - road check, speeding, whatever, and they find your weed - bam, you're busted! Ok, so you get a fine, no prison generally, but it's still pants. It is legal to grow 5 plants outside though (per household) And you can smoke without problems -so that is cool....

The gov has also clamped down on Smart Shops (no more Magic mushrooms being sold) and also, coffeeshops within 250 metres of a high school (teenage kids) have to close down!!! Which is just daft. One of the Headmasters of a school in Amsterdam said. "Coffeeshops in Amsterdam are very strict with age, and if my kids wanted to buy weed, what would stop them walking an extra 10 metres to a coffeeshop" fair comment Maam!!

Okay, I will stop ranting now. If you want anymore info on our messed up state, feel free to ask.

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you know every place has it's good and bad points. and as for the weed, like you said you can smoke with no problems. let me tell you something bud, that's a definite pro for me. now the not being able to grow indoors part is understandable, but hell if i wanted some i could just go down the block and get some without all the cloak and dagger nonsesnse. and on top of that i can get exactly want i want and be pretty doggone sure that's what it is. instead of some joker telling me that this is some kush i'm about to buy, because the "word" kush is popular around here, and all it is is some mid to low grade ditchweed, but at a premium price. like i said that's why i grow, but if i couldn't, i really wouldn't mind paying a fair price to get what i want, ya know. as i said though it's just everyday life living to you, but you guys are light years ahead of us, but it's all good baby. dude the O.G. looks absolutely dank. dammit man it looks strong, like something i would want by my side in a street fight, ya know.LOL. naw but really man it looks good.

DST said:

So this morning Zen I have chopped a whole load of the yellower fans leaves of, I am with your theory mentioned above...so lets see how it works. Suppose it will be a bit difficult to compare but no harm in trying (still got a few days to go). I knew the plants sucked the nute out of the leaves, but do you think there is a trade off between what it gets from the leaves, and what it then has to get elsewhere when the leaves are no longer on the plant?? Not sure if that makes sense

Anyhoo, it's done now and to be honest, I think it should help, one thing I have had a prob with the LST'ing, is that you get mad fan leaves covering things they wouldn't normally cover - increases mildew which I have never had a problem with previously (i was just putting it down to the damp weather - but the other girls - topped, and straight colas - have had no mildew!! wierd.

I will upload a pic that I took this morning of the sideways growing bud - quite mad.

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something told me you would ask me something like that, so wrap your mind around this. now this is only "MY" theory, ok. now three questions: #1what is flushing? #2when do you flush? and #3why do you flush?
#1"MY" definition of flushing is tapering off the amount of nutes mixed in your water to somewhat cleanse the "BUDS" of the chemicals from the nutes that may cause harshness in the smoke. #2most people flush around the last week or two right, and #3most people that do flush do it because they want to filter out all of the chemicals in the bud, right. well guess what, before the bud is cleansed, you have to flush all of the stored nutes from the fan leaves first. you see where i'm going with this? yes no? you probably do by now, but i will proceed. so why not at about two weeks before harvest you take off all of the "LARGE" fan leaves, then about a week before harvest take all the smaller fan leaves off(with visible stems). mind you, all of this is work that your plant is gonna "have" to do anyway, so why not help it out, and let it concentrate it's last bits of energy on swelling up buds. and since you basically started flushing just the buds , you get somewhat of a more natural taste. also, i've never had a mold issue, but AIR FLOW, AIR FLOW, AIR FLOW, the extra air flow from removing those leaves just might help dry things up a little in those last few weeks of flower.
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DST said:

And just holla if you are ever coming to the neighbourhood - i know all the bad places to go

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FUUUUUUUCK YEA!!!!!!!!!!
that would be awesome. and as long as you're on RIU, then i've got your contact info.


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-

I am with your logic totally here, but not being too strong on the internal workings of the plant myself, it's hard to say that its 100% - but if it gives results thens whos to argue, we all do what we want. The fans leaves are the sugar factories for the plant, now the question is, are they still producing at this stage, and what energy does the plant use to take the nutes from the leaves, and would this be diverted? Mmmmn research needed on this one.

Okay, so I got 2 computer fans (Coolmaster) and they have four wires coming out, black, green, yellow, blue, now the adapter I have is a 12v to 12v and the guy in the shop told me the white stipe is the +, black negative, I snipped the two wires and then I have tried all sorts of combinations using the various coloured wires from the fan, and nadda, absolutely zip.,,,Anyone any ideas, will post pics shortly? Help. Gonna keep trying and hopefully won't end up frying the house

Okay, so heres the pic....absolutely no ideas what I need to do?

i've never seen a plug like that before.

ZEN MASTER said:

i've never seen a plug like that before.

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european plug/convertor. still doesn't work, got some advise form Iam5toned but still couldn't get it going. I even tried the second fan I have and nothing...puzzled. Write this one off I think...live and learn (thought buying a pricier fan would work - what a dickhead, ah well

DST said:

european plug/convertor. still doesn't work, got some advise form Iam5toned but still couldn't get it going. I even tried the second fan I have and nothing...puzzled. Write this one off I think...live and learn (thought buying a pricier fan would work - what a dickhead, ah well

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no, no, no you're not dickhead man, look here if i have a plumbing problem i see a plumber. if i have problems building a cabinet i see a carpenter. anything eletric that i can't break down and figure out for myself i see an electrician. dude take it to an eletrical shop, tell them you need to buy three or four wire connectors, 30 cents a piece at the most. while you are paying for them tell them you are trying to hook up a computer fan, go to the car and bring it in, an i pretty much bet you they will help you with no problems. yea my hydro guy has a lot of advice on hydro, good advice, but as far as electricity goes, and me potentially crossing some wires or something and burning down my house........i'll ask someone that deals with electricity on a daily basis. hope that helps, i just freaking hate wasting money.


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-

how many CFM's does that fan move?

ZEN MASTER said:

how many CFM's does that fan move?

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71.5 cfm 12v,

So I decided I will give the girls another week, so this morning I flushed them babies. I got up at 8 and it was misty - went to bed about 3 after being out drinking at a place called Mini Bar, the concept is that instead of a bar with someone serving you drinks, you get a key (with a deposit of ID) and then you have access to a fridge in the wall with beers, wines spirits, etc - you do have to mix your own drink. It wouldn't be my local, but it was worth a visit. A couple of joints whilst doing the flushing and I am feeling good


I don't have the capacity to store enough water so I tend to take from the tap when flushing (i uses at least 2x the pot capacity when flushing), the water is decent around here (we pay enough in water taxes, and also a charge on our usage - so I am trying to get more rain water - see pic - about 14 litres (3.69 gallons) - from 3 buckets and a basin - the rain will get worse as well.) This was in the last 4 days. I need to organise something as far as storage is concerned as I don't drink fizzy juice, and my wine consumption is not enough to keep up with gods supply either.


When I flush I just put the pots over a wire mesh tray on top of a bucket, I fill the pots right up with water and keep the water flowing steady so that it goes through the pot evenly -

Now for the girls - headband first



I am missing 1 of the headbands...Anyway, next post the OG Kush

So these are the og kush which I LST'd after topping, then with one I super cropped, which worked out well...I have had real mildew problems with the kush girls. they were mixed in with the headband plants (which didn't have any mildew) so I am still a but puzzled. Perhaps it was down to the LSTing and some of the leaves growing strange. Next time I may trim down on the fan leaves the cross over each other. Growing and learning, I love it



And the main branch that was super cropped

With a bit more work this could compete with Mac D's Golden Arch - the Green Arch wins every time my friends!! (I don't do McD's(puke)

And a pic of a bud i cut off as a pre-taster

So 4 of each are getting there!!

Some faster than others.

And here they are with my headband clones for the next grow. I am packing it in with og kush for the time being. i have a few beans left if I want to start another. the dame blanch and the cali orange - will be split up - some going to another grow..

I've had some real problems with these clones, I hope they deliver. You can probably see in the middle one, and the one on the right, a couple of the leaves are a bit yellow, not sure if that was a mag deficiency (but I had to bombard them as they had earlier been effected by leaf lice - or some sort of nasty little critter), I have flushed them now and they are getting fed rain water for the time being to see how they progress. then when i transfer to 18litre pots, will start with the nutes slowly.

headband first to the table -

Hey frosty lady....yum yum...i could eat you


And now for some og stank kush



And all back together under the..eh hem, sun....thingy

DST said:

I also have a bag of HB seeds - quite a few to spare actually....see pic.

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From seed???? I was wondering if it was the 707 cut in the 4 hunny thread...but out here I believe the OG and the HB are still clone only??? Mine tend to question their sexuality...nothing serious...just curious...and over the last year I have about 15 seeds, but have not germed any due to hermie trait probably being strong in her XXX seeds. There is also a Nor-Cal cut of headband whose parentage is a little different, yours look very OG dominant

DST said:

cheers mcone (BTW- what clan is McOne?....i only ask because I'm a jock)- my last set went for 9 weeks, want to see if leaving it longer makes any difference.

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My latest went 12 or 13 weeks (ala FDD) waited till looked done before flush. Dead leaves are a pain in the ass for leafier strains (not my HB!) Trichs still not amber at 12 weeks though...It's cool, I like to be awake for a few minutes after smoking...speaking of which, it's 9 am...be right back!

DST said:

Yesterday morning I went in to my grow cupboard to discover mildew on 2 of my plants leaves - the OG Kush (thought it was mould, I guess mildew is some form of mould.)

Anyway, rushed off to the garden centre and came across Silinal by ECOstyle. You mix like 1.5ml of the concentrated gloop with a litre water...then spray on the offending plants. Checked this morning and it certainly seems to have helped.

I also bought a moisture cleaner. basically a small plastic box with a bag of salt granuals in it (my humidity was up over 70.) I think this is down to the crap wet weather coming in and me not turning my ventilator up enough. Plus my circulating fan died of death last week....the 2nd in 4 months!!! Lesson learned: Keep all the elements of your grow room up to scratch.

Half way through week 6, last couple of feeds over the next week. Will post more pics at the weekend, hopefully will have got rid of the mildew.

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doing some reading, if it is powdery mildew, heat seems to be more of it's friend than humidity...a bit counter intuitive, but it jives with my observance.

DST said:

I believe so, although I have read about back crosses, etc, i stumbled across some seeds in a bag from a coffeeshop...and these are clones of clones from the decent mammas, so the genetics seem to have settle down (first batch got a wack of seeds) Will check out your own blend, sounds funky

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yes the 707 is SD x OGK, and yes they came from the chem dog...man there was good bud on the dead tour!

ZEN MASTER said:

#3most people that do flush do it because they want to filter out all of the chemicals in the bud, right. well guess what, before the bud is cleansed, you have to flush all of the stored nutes from the fan leaves first. you see where i'm going with this? yes no? you probably do by now, but i will proceed. so why not at about two weeks before harvest you take off all of the "LARGE" fan leaves, then about a week before harvest take all the smaller fan leaves off(with visible stems). mind you, all of this is work that your plant is gonna "have" to do anyway, so why not help it out, and let it concentrate it's last bits of energy on swelling up buds. and since you basically started flushing just the buds , you get somewhat of a more natural taste.

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I am definitely not a master grower, nor am I arguing but IMHO...Taking off the fans or any leaves is detrimental (unless you have an abundance of foliage and it is blocking light and circ, OGK and HB do not). The stomata (pores only on leaves) allow the plant to uptake nutrients as water evaporates out the stomata, and water rises due to capillary action and the stickiness of hydrogen bonds. If the leaves are removed, the plants transpiration decreases dramatically (I have knocked all the leaves off 7 week old plants with a pH blunder). The decrease in transpiration and uptake of water IMO slows the "flush" Also the plants energy is created and stored in the chloroplasts of the leaves, remove them and the plant no longer has a ready source of energy, slowing the swell!

But hey...it is just an opinion!

Here are a few of my HB's..not trying to jack your thread so let me know if you want them taken off!

hayduke, no worries with the pics, the more the merrier.

like the debate on the leaves. keep it coming. i did take quite a few off but left the healthy looking ones...we shall see. as long as you are getting the smoke you want at the end of the day it all chiefs, whatever works for you. The great thing about MJ is that there are no real scientific results (okay, no offence to people who have written books - and if there is any scientific findings i would be interested to read as well, so anyone know lmk?) so in a lot of case you have to make comparisons with other plants i guess. i saw a brief clip about this medical unit in the uk growing weed and making medicine, guess it was some sort of linctus, they must have been refining it or something...?? I still need to do my own research so I am on the fence.

so i grew from the seed I got out of a bag of weed, they all went fem but also had sex problems (2 of the 5 seed went having mad sex when it was lights out, dirty dirty!! and my first lot i got a whole bunch of seeds (earlier pic in thread) but the clones of clones have chilled out, my last crop there were 2 seeds on one of the plants. this time there are none.

ps question: hayduke - how do you get multiple quotes to be included in one reply? are you doing that through editing? still getting my head round this riu

DST said:

ps question: hayduke - how do you get multiple quotes to be included in one reply? are you doing that through editing? still getting my head round this riu

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Interesting stuff on the seeds...good to know if I have a catastrophe...or and extended tour of Western National Parks this spring, I may be able to revive her. I do believe that the seeds were from self pollination.

As for the multiple quotes: Instead of hitting the "quote" button, you can click "multi" as you read through the thread, then either click "reply when you are ready, or click "quote" on you last quote and the reply screen will come up with your multiple quotes in the order you clicked "multi"

The weekend was a disaster. I went in to find 7 of the clones lying down ready to die, and all they have had was rain water. Same with all my Headband clones, 1 by one they are just dying man. And this has happened in like 24 hours.....All i can think of is that the rain water was messed up in some way....I am thinking, is it because I didn't clean the bottles correctly. I am really pissed, these are like 4th generation clones so it looks like I may need to start again from seed....oh bugger. The humidity was around 60, the temp was around 27o celcius, puzzling.

Buds are fattening out on my kush nicely and my 8 week Headband is still sweet (just felt like I had to report something positive.)

I will stick up a pic of my dying girls later.........fek fek fek fek fek fek

There are still 3 (DB and OC) seeds on the go...but I am not holding out much for these based on whats happening....

So here are the clones I have managed to screw up badly. I am gutted about this as they have almost died previously and I brought them back to life (they have been on the go for over 6 weeks as clones), literally within 24 hours of taking the last pic of them - see in previous post - they have ended up like this. Only added Rain water, then this started to happen, so I flushed them but they have steadily got worse. The same rain water also done my clones in. without testing this water further not sure (ph showed as 7.0)
Any ideas, is this over watering, which I am puzzled about as there is no run off from the pots after flushing)???????

ZEN MASTER said:

something told me you would ask me something like that, so wrap your mind around this. now this is only "MY" theory, ok. now three questions: #1what is flushing? #2when do you flush? and #3why do you flush?
#1"MY" definition of flushing is tapering off the amount of nutes mixed in your water to somewhat cleanse the "BUDS" of the chemicals from the nutes that may cause harshness in the smoke. #2most people flush around the last week or two right, and #3most people that do flush do it because they want to filter out all of the chemicals in the bud, right. well guess what, before the bud is cleansed, you have to flush all of the stored nutes from the fan leaves first. you see where i'm going with this? yes no? you probably do by now, but i will proceed. so why not at about two weeks before harvest you take off all of the "LARGE" fan leaves, then about a week before harvest take all the smaller fan leaves off(with visible stems). mind you, all of this is work that your plant is gonna "have" to do anyway, so why not help it out, and let it concentrate it's last bits of energy on swelling up buds. and since you basically started flushing just the buds , you get somewhat of a more natural taste. also, i've never had a mold issue, but AIR FLOW, AIR FLOW, AIR FLOW, the extra air flow from removing those leaves just might help dry things up a little in those last few weeks of flower.
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THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS AND SUGGESTIONS ARE SOLEY THOSE OF ZEN MASTER, and are not in any kind of way the ideas of RIU or any affiliated partner or member of RIU.




PEACE!!!
-ZEN-

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no need to argue dude. that's why i put up the disclaimer. you know, this just works for me. also i hear what you are "saying", but i'm actually speaking from side by side comparisons. i don't know maybe it's just the strains i've grown, which up until the last two grows has been bagseed. but hey that's just what really, really works for me.


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-