Heat issue!!

Rello

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Im meaning to start a grow journal but im already 3 days in vegging, they are about a week and 5 days old. But i have a issue that needs to be solved asap! ANYONE AND EVERYONE COMMENTS ALLOWED CREATIVE CRITIZIM ETC. Ok Im running 8 150 watt CFLS in a indoor closet tent grow, light cycle 16/8 currently, also the sunset at 2AM and sunrise at 10AM. I have 2 bagseed plants in one 10" pot, with a 4" high velocity fan. My issue is my heat is reaching top temps of 115 degrees usually avg. 110 degrees start to damage my plants i believe or could it b magnesium def.? more fans maybe? cheap outake and intake ideas? I have a sum what tight bugdet but i can work with some things but a uick cheap fix for now then a better fix for down the road works too. thanx! Pix Included, be on the look out for my grow journal! haha
 

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canniboss

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Not trying to insult, but I would make changes.

- 2 plants in 1 pot is a bad idea
- 115 degrees!!! holy cow man, You need to make sure that you have air "flow" this means air coming in and going out. In at the bottom and out at the top.
- No nutes for at least 2 weeks.
- Your soil looks like crap, its not evenly wet
Sidenote -- those are not 150W bulbs, they look like 23W to me.
 

Antigen

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115 degrees running CFLs? Why is it so hot? How hot is the area outside the grow tent? I think you need to ventilate better, either bigger or more fans. Is there something at the top of the tent you could open to let hot air vent out the top?

Other than that, you also need to separate those two plants as soon as you can. You don't want 2 plants fighting for root space in one pot. Each plant needs its own pot.
 

turdnugget420

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1. Temps need to be around 80
2. Don't plant multiple plants in the same pot
3. If you are trying to veg, you want a minimum of 18/6, when they are that small, I usually do 24/0
4. Those CFL's are not that much wattage, you are probably reading what they are equivalent to, not the actual power they consume
 

GBW

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ok hi what ur using is only a 23watt cfl i know im using four of them with a 43wattCFL(which mean 200watt)

light cycle for vegging 18/6(is proven to be the best but 24/0 also work but i prefer let them sleep a lil bit)

The light is enough for one plant u got enough 23 watt to grow something about wut half a meter? meter? if its sativa?


honestly i think ur using way too much CFL at all....the light that produce those CFL isnt even "good" for ur plant yes its good but i mean by QUALITY...its a weak wattage which mean a low density of light(its two things to have high light but no lumen and one light with ALOT OF LUMEN



IMO the best setup is ...get rid of the over ninethousand light keep 3 put one over it put 2 side light thats it and by the time ur plant is vegging plz god go buy atleast a 200 watt like me CFL one costing 18$ a coated one that fire-prevent(luv them i hate fire as hell so i like coated stuff u can buy the normal oone but for ur life u better pay 2-3more bucks and have a coated one....also making the bulb touchable ^^ can handle even after 18hour of use without any scare of burn wound)

i love ur setup and grow tent but all this stuff is useless at ur stage...explaination...1years ago i was growing in a normal white garbage....a portable garbage nothing...too special....a simple garbage with one CFL 23 watt i could grow my plant easyly until it get is first few leave well i was adding the second 23watt and there we go until it reach the top of the little garbage...i was simply using the height of the garbage with the gravity of the "weight of bulb" and the "lightness of the cable" to simply stand on the wall of the garbage no ty rap anything....simple a light a socket a 2 wired cable(the normal without the ground on it)and a plain stupid little garbage of 3 feet tall and 1 feet wide about the light and encloseement for sleeping??close the garbage with his closing Door?

im not english so grammar police be aware incase some of ya like to argue on anything and fucking annoy peeps
also whats making the room get so hot is because these CFL are way too close i know that CFL is weak and need to be close of the plant but try instead to remove some or make them spraid a bit largeer while having one right on ur plant(1-2inch over it go for 2-3 since u prolly never grown as read u really dont want to kill it)


no nuts as said 2ffirst week or really LITTLE MEAN IT so just go for no nuts aight?


yo for use soil or way to plant a seed i have no idea whats the deal with the reversed pot but anyway ur soil look like dry o_O not even wet or no idea like the guy said above ???


Wants the basic stuff to grow shit well


grab some Pro-mix soil first and then go for the 20-20-20 of the same Mark "Pro-mix 20-20-20" imo its what making the best for plant EXCEPT ELITE STUFF as Foxfarm...but this is another story

imo go for a 5gallon pro-mix soil(a 5gal bucket only cost 5-7$ at ur store so...dont be cheap and give the best to ur girl)


5gal bucket = 7$
pro-mix(normal 20-20-20) = ultimate size 11$(they got some smaller size too but i like to only go one time at store xD)
some ph stuff
3CFL
pro-mix soil(a neutral soil where u bring ur own mix of nuts not like MG etc)

and ur in buisiness , Soil is ur important stuff these "weed" like its said its a weed....a weed GROW EVERYWHERE so it make alots of root...also if u use perlite watch out roots grow hard fast ass hell....


so u want ur plant to get A SHITLOAD OF SOIL! also to be able to become a TREE WEED :D(joking but well)


oh also instead of only fertilising one time per 2 week i uusually always go for mixed water

i just add less than 3mililiter instead of the regular 5ml per galon at a regular watering and now they are OMG AWSOME in a 2litter bottle of sprite empty(this is for the 20-20-20 if u dont know what i mean 20-20-20 is a fertiliser its like miracle grow(MG is a soil with allready a fert in it but its REAL BAD) but better since MG release it all the time which is bad cuz they get way too nutted and strech hard can die too if ur adding some more fert so



stay in the Pro-mix soil
with the 20-20-20 and 3-4 cfl
and a 5gal bucket with some water Correctly calibrate 5.8-6.5


also on the ph-ing if ur like me and wondering how to calibrate water and fert well u calibrate the watter with ur ph up or down first until u reach this yellowish color (if ur using general hydroponic ph tester the thing for pool) and also re-confirm after adding ur fert and look if it changed if it did add not even bigger than a surface of a nail(nail on ur hands)cuz it do really AFFECT trust me Arm&hammer(lil'cow no idea how u call in english but in french its lil cow)

or some ph down (limon but be aware with limon before adding it do some research effect of limon and how long it take before limon give his full output)



have it helped ya out

on the last touch they look nutted ur plants???did u gave them nuts???btw only water once until the top of ur soil is dry when its dry simply refresh it until it drip by the ashtray slowly add water tho since it take time to get down all this soil u will make a mess with ur ashtray if u overwater ^^ its not dangerous but gay when u work with soil and water in a clean place!soil + water = bad mess ^^ also if u had new soil that is plain dry cuz u lack(eventually u wont have any choice to put in a 5gal otherwise it will die and not reach even is "barely maturity to yield something interresting) well make the soil wet first instead of touching the roots with dry soil take again...a garbage or any item u maybe can use (i use my old garbage that used to be a growing place to mix my soil with water until its soaked wet slowly mixing the soil while adding water SLOWLY or u will make a mess like i said or just....have too much water in the soil for nothing whih is worse making the soil GAIER to play with...Liquid instead of ....creamy or what/ever is the term im not english
 

GBW

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this tin foil behind(i know its not tin foil but WHATEVER is it call'd remove it....its another thing that make ur shit go way too high in heat....tinfoil reproduce the heat of a bulb...so imagine reproduction the heat of 7 bulb in one tinfoil.....grats for the heati must say , what u can try too is to keep all ur light and simply remove this reflector hood since u cant stand the heat that it produce....simply remove it and im pretty sure ur heat problem will be fix ...but as the guys said upper if u dont give them proper sign of love or not even wetting them properly dude we cant help more tho try staying more than 24hour without drinking u wanna know what is gonna happen?? ur gonna get dehydrated then headache then have stomach pain , dry skin , and u'll finally die from a kidney failure so GIVE THEM WATER! and when u reach 2%(2% of ur body dehydrated) u start to loose brain function so...any mammal or functioning living creature needs water :)


how can you calcul the % of a body (this is another story)



PS : i have no idea how my plants survived 48degree Celcius during 5 hour but they did(simple anecdote[Fact] W/e]]) accidental experimentation when i opened the cover of the garbage one year ago^^not even a burn or anything ^^
 

crazeehaze

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also, why is only 1 light on? did you take the pictures in the dark cycle and turn on the light for the pictures? not a good idea in that case..
 

GBW

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also, why is only 1 light on? did you take the pictures in the dark cycle and turn on the light for the pictures? not a good idea in that case..

for this case here a quick fix at the same place u can get all the other stuff i said "Homehardware or any Mega-sale place that work with manual stuff....wood...metal pipe etc or even better Horticultural place ANYWAY) go in the light bulb section of ur homehardware and just buy this green bulb Quick fix to work in ur growing area

http://clearlycaneda.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/2298056355_8c4e54530a.jpg



This bulb if ur so much questioning about it. is a green bulb isnt it?


ok....it also produce light which is good for you to see where u go in ur growing area so u dont fell on ur plant or else(its a little joke fine)

but the best thing is ! the light doesnt disturb ur growing area Cycle!!!! ISNT THAT COOL AND HAWTNESS TO GO BUY ONE RIGHT NOW!?go for it 6$ and u wont take any chance that ur plant turn hermi or ACCIDENTALLY Vegg-flower X_X Flower-Vegg is a pain trust me got one in the closed i had to re-vegg and gosh it turned fucked up as hell i though he was hermi still....its gonna be ok but trust me fucked up grow when turn back not cool looking at all if u look at my others....^^
 

thatdjsnow

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Yeah.... those look like the 42w CFLs equivalent to 150w incandescent. so... 336w of CFLs trapping heat in a small tent.

Quick Fix - Unzip your tent some at the top.. let some heat escape..... just get your ventilation problems fixed before you go 12/12 and can't have any light leaks.... also.... you should have some 5000k+ CFLs in there for your Veg and not just all 2700k 42wers.... ;)
 

Rello

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i only have one light one because with all of them on u can't see the set up, so i turned all but one off so u could see everything. It was not during my night cycle so it's all good :)
 

Rello

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I am going to purchase nuts at my local hydroponics store sometime today i will update u guys once i pick the right nuts, but i do not plan to use them for a few days now. The light bulbs are 42w CFLS so equivilent to 150w should have cleared that up. Far as watering my plants I keep them very well hydrated, like i said they were in the middle of a light cycle when i took those pictures and i had just watered them yesterday night. I usually keep the tent unzipped through out the day to keep it cooler, but i realize my temps need to b around 80 I just need a way to do so. With the 2 plants in one pot i've heard of people tying them to the sides of the pots so they have more room, but i guess that doesn't count for the roots? haha but thanks for all the help, i will try removing the reflectant from behind them, and hopefully that cools them down for now until i can get out to get sum inline and outline fans. also for the 1st week when they were seedlings they were 24/0, i've read alot saying that 16/8 is also a great for vegging plants. But thanks for the help tho everyone! if anyone else has ideas feel free to continue to comment!
 

Rello

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Ok so update: I took down the reflective shit, and lowered my plants a few inches and temps are hovering around 90 degrees now so im happy with that until i can get sum inline and outline fans in and runnin. I picked up my nutes the other day and i got recipe for success starter kit, figured it had everything i needed with BC Booster, BC Grow, BC Bloom, THrive Alive B-1 Red & Green, Rootech, Awesome blossoms, magical, root 66, and sugar daddy. If anyone has used this starter kit or atleast heard of it let me know, the hydro store told me it was a great starter, jus getting ur opinion. I've already mixed my veg food and will b watering later today when my lights turn on, speaking of lights i also added 2 more hours for a 18/6 light cycle hopefully doesn't screw too much up!! pix coming soon
 
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