Heat issues, please help all advice is greatly appreciated

I have created my grow room for my first grow, I read lots but apparently not enough. I have a 12 pot hydro setup running under a 1K MH w/ switchable ballast and 1K HPS bulb for flower. I sealed off the room with panda film and built a window box for discreet exhausting. I intended to rely on the Central air duct that enters the room for intake, but the little 6" inline duct fan isn't cutting it. I am able to keep a constant 85F which I just discovered the heat issues on a few of my plants so I am looking into a vortex fan either 6" or 8"w/ adapters. I created a lightproof entrance, but I cannot close it at the moment due to heat issues.

So my question is will the vortex cut it or am I going to be forced to buy a a/c unit?? Also if the vortex will be enough will drawing from the central air vent be adequate or am I going to start sucking through the door??

Room is 10x8x8 so with the math I found thats 160 cfm which the little inline fan is able to do, but its obviously not enough, oh and I should mention the central air duct fan is on 24/7 pushing cool 67F air into the room.

Here are some picture of the setup.
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desertrat

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Room is 10x8x8 so with the math I found thats 160 cfm which the little inline fan is able to do, but its obviously not enough, oh and I should mention the central air duct fan is on 24/7 pushing cool 67F air into the room.
nope. you need up to 2 room air exchanges a minute to cool a room, so that's up to 1280 cfm. the lower guidelines for fans is just for enough air to give your plants fresh co2 to breathe, not the sizing for cooling.
 

desertrat

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here's some info i pulled together for a grow room construction tutorial:

13. how to plan your ventilation system? Weed likes temperatures between 65 f and 75 f without CO2 and up to 85 f with CO2. The basic decisions on how you construct your ventilation system are determined by whether or not you need to cool the air and whether or not you’re using enhanced CO2. If the answer to those two questions is yes, then you want to minimize the exchange of air with the outside. If the answer is no to cooling and enhancement, you are going to need a lot of air exchange in your system. In our case we’re experiencing a typical 100 f summer so cooling is absolutely required, and as said we’re adding CO2.
a. How much cooling - this calculator is excellent for sizing an a/c. but it gives the theoretical cooling that can be impossible to reach unless you carefully plan the design of your system. Can’t go wrong by doubling what the calculator tells you.

b. What kind of cooling - These are your choices, in order of highest to lowest cooling capability:
i. Tie into your home central a/c. by far the best choice if you can do it.
ii. Add a split mini a/c system. These systems are almost as effective as a central a/c but are sized for single rooms. Downside is price and professional installation or charging required. We have a splt mini in our veg room and have never had a temperature problem.
iii. Add a dual hose portable a/c. these can be almost as effective as a central a/c if you take special precautions to handle the heat they generate.
iv. Add a single hose portable a/c. we recommend against single hose systems because of poor efficiency and the fact that they exhaust room air without being treated for smell.
v. Add a swamp cooler. We recommend against this option because of relatively little cooling achieved and added moisture that’s not wanted during flowering.

c. What kind of room exhaust hole is needed - in our case, exhaust of room air is limited to occasional use to remove trapped hot, stale air every couple of hours. A four-inch vent hole to the outdoors is sufficient for this limited use. If you are building a room without cooling, plan on as large as an 8-inch exhaust hole. Make your final choice of hole size based on the fan size you choose later in the process.

d. What kind of air input is needed - The smallest grow spaces can get enough incoming air from leaks around the room. But most grow spaces will benefit from one input hole, even without a fan. Ideally, you want your exhaust fan to create a slight vacuum so that there is no chance of smells leaking out of the room, so plan your input with or without a fan to create less airflow than your exhaust.


e. Treating your air with carbon filter - you will want a carbon filter on the inside of your grow room directly connected to a fan. That fan can be simply recirculating air in the room if you’re using a/c and/or CO2, or ducted out the exhaust if you’re not cooling/enhancing. There is a lot of debate about the placement of the carbon filter and fan, here’s our take: security is the most important factor and you will be assured of treating the most air with this recommended placement. If you move the fan away from the filter, then untreated air can get pulled into the ventilation line through any leaks. If you move the filter outside the grow area and blow air through it then all of the air in your room will still smell. This is not the most efficient use of the fans but we trade security for a little efficiency.

f. Cooling your light - The light itself usually produces the most heat of anything in your room, not including the a/c exhaust. Adding an air-cooled hood and dedicated ventilation line can help this. The other benefit of an air-cooled hood is that you can keep your light closer to the plants, enhancing growth and yield. You need an entry hole and exit hole for the light’s ventilation, either 4-inch, 6-inch or 8-inch depending on the hood. If you are not cooling/CO2 enhancing then many people combine the carbon filter line with the light cooling ventilation line as follows: carbon filter->fan->ducting->light->ducting->duct muffler->exhaust.


g. Sizing your fans - you will not know how much air movement you really need until you’ve built your system and turn it on. A practical way to handle this is to get a relatively large capacity industrial inline fan and a separate variable speed controller. a fan that’s running faster than you need is going to be louder than you want and a fan that’s running slower than you need is going to be worthless. The guidelines for fan size are very broad (from one room air exchange every five minutes for fresh air up to 2 or more exchanges of room air per minute to handle high temperatures). As an example, our flowering space is 270 cubic feet so could require a fan of 540 cfm or greater if we were using it to bring cool air into the room. We settled for a 440 cfm fan on our carbon filter line with a 170 cfm fan on our light cooling line, both with variable speed controllers. We probably could use a stronger fan on the light cooling line judging by the high temperature of the air leaving the light.

h. Adding recirculating fans – you want to provide good airflow inside your grow space to even out temperatures, remove waste gasses from your plants and strengthen the plant via air movement. We have one oscillating fan and one still fan in the room in addition to the carbon filter’s fan that recirculates air most of the time and the a/c blower. Tip – when I thought I had everything dialed in I noticed a very obvious vibration with my hand on the outside wall of the growing room. I searched all my over-sized industrial equipment but it turned out to be the little oscillating fan causing the problem.


i. Ducting – it is very important to use insulated ducting on all lines that are carrying relatively hot air or you may not be able to cool the space at all. This is especially true for the a/c exhaust line. Also, plan all ducting lines as short as possible consistent with few kinks or corners.
 
Thanks for the info, I guess I missed the 2 times a minute thing when using exhaust fan for cooling, makes sense though.

I guess I am maybe looking for some advice on how to incorporate two methods at lower strength to handle the problem. I do have central air hooked into the room which helps but not enough, and I am hoping that a ~700 cfm 8" inline fan would take care of the rest, what do you think??
 

woodsmaneh!

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I have found that if I change the air every 2 minuits my room stays stable. I run a 6" vortec 449 cfpm in one room that is 710 sqf. and an 8" 747 in a room
1000 sf with co2 burner.

Your room is 640 sf so you need a fan that will do 320cfpm + 10% = min fan size of 352 cfpm. a good vortex will do it, try to get a fan to match your duct size, if you go big on a fan say 8" and drive it into 6" you will generate much more noise.

You need a hole bigger than your duct size to let new air in.

Peace
 
I have found that if I change the air every 2 minuits my room stays stable. I run a 6" vortec 449 cfpm in one room that is 710 sqf. and an 8" 747 in a room
1000 sf with co2 burner.

Your room is 640 sf so you need a fan that will do 320cfpm + 10% = min fan size of 352 cfpm. a good vortex will do it, try to get a fan to match your duct size, if you go big on a fan say 8" and drive it into 6" you will generate much more noise.

You need a hole bigger than your duct size to let new air in.

Peace
Thanks, I think I will go with the 6" vortex and worst case buy another one. Do you think the 6"x12" central air vent is enough of an intake??
 
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