Heaths Flooded Tube Vertical

greenyield

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What is the average spacing on the horizontal and vertical plane, how many weeks of how many hours of 600 watts lighting from cutting to finish and at what room and reservoir temperatures? As you give no PAR readings or lumen readings I assume you used no meters to determine your diameter but are basing the diameter and number of tiers merely on past experimentation of yours or someone else who also took no readings? No DO readings either? A DO reading of the inlet and outlet nutrient water with preferably a few in between would be very helpful also.

No offense but such data is more useful to me than pictures or final yield results not related to total kWh used for light.

Based upon what information was given it looks like a good methodology for a low temp, therefore slow grow. You have also stated that the DO is dependent upon the fast flow of water through the tubes and relating that to a waterfall aerating water due to your drop from tier to tier or the turbulence created by any fall over the adjustable walls. What is the pitch to your tubes from one adjustable wall to the next, as other than adjusting the walls the pitch will determine the fall and therforethe amount of turbulence. Have you thought of introducing more air into the system such as with an air pump rather than depending just on the air coming in through your pots growing medium to supply O2 at the air-water interface surface, or maybe using a venturi in the water line.

Measured emperical data can not be checked against future trial emperical data (be repeated) if it is not known. Although observations are also considered emperical data, experimentation of real use should contain as much measurable emperical data as is possible. Pictures are just pictures, they are merely guides or records of visual observations. Pictures of PAR readings, CO2 ppm readings, temp and DO readings would be of more use.
wtf are you talking 'bout

40+ oz's from one 600w hps speaks for it self
the pics and the little bit of info that he did provide was just a grow outline he wants you to take it and build from it if you want to put a meter in or what ever do it but dont shit talk a guy getting those results and shareing the info freely he does not have to do anything- you could always asume the average- for me he gave a lot of gr8 info, but thats just my skill level- i would not suggest you atempting a grow this size if you have to ask those questions, you may want to stick to 1 or 2 plants with cfls

where are your grows, bytch
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it seems that fatman likes to talk and not DO!

really technical questions that dont need to be thought about to get good results.

if you see this fatman, maybe you should make your own flooded tube and use a light meter to establish the correct distance for optimum performance you should already know the optimum temp for room and reservoir pal.
like i said before, you just like to talk about it and will never have the get up and go to build one of these babies.
 

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fatman7574

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No interest in building one as I grow hot room aero, not cold room flooded roots. More yield in much less time so lowered costs and more crops per year. Building the cold room, low light vertical system would be too many step backwards to even consider.
 

Wemp

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No interest in building one as I grow hot room aero, not cold room flooded roots. More yield in much less time so lowered costs and more crops per year. Building the cold room, low light vertical system would be too many step backwards to even consider.

Then why are you asking for the data?

You were just crying earlier about not having enough info to make one..

Dont make stupid comments if you arent even considering it.
 

fatman7574

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Then why are you asking for the data?

You were just crying earlier about not having enough info to make one..

Dont make stupid comments if you arent even considering it.
Because I choose to learn rather than remain ignorant. I need not duplicate or build something to learn by some ones elses efforts or works but I do need enough data to learn something of value other than to blindly duplicate the physical building efforts of another. It is like learning how to determine the size floor joist needed to carry a load versus just using the same sized floor joist that others are using without know ing or being able to calculate why. It is like the difference between being a simple carpenter that follows a set of plans/blue prints or being the engineer that draws them...engineers work with data they do not blindly/ignorantly copy others. If they put there names on something and say it is going to work then they have the data to show why and how. They do not put their names to a design and say "uh, I did what he did."


Oh, by the ways, yes, I am an engineer.
 

That 5hit

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because i choose to learn rather than remain ignorant. I need not duplicate or build something to learn by some ones elses efforts or works but i do need enough data to learn something of value other than to blindly duplicate the physical building efforts of another. It is like learning how to determine the size floor joist needed to carry a load versus just using the same sized floor joist that others are using without know ing or being able to calculate why. It is like the difference between being a simple carpenter that follows a set of plans/blue prints or being the engineer that draws them...engineers work with data they do not blindly/ignorantly copy others. If they put there names on something and say it is going to work then they have the data to show why and how. They do not put their names to a design and say "uh, i did what he did."


oh, by the ways, yes, i am an engineer.

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That 5hit

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lets see your grow op
old new something you built for someone else i'll even except blue prints
where's the pics fatman
show us or blow us
 

That 5hit

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i was just thinking about this system and how gr8 it is
this is byfar the best use of space ive seen yet
the only thing i can see inproving on is a better way in and out
climbing over seems so dangerous
do you think this system can be built off the ground,,, maybe start it like 3 to 4 ft off the floor so that you could just crawl under it also another plus would be you could put more plants under the light useing the floor space.
when im drunk or high i can crawl under something better then climb over something. this maynot be good if you have low ceilings- but for me this would work great- i was thinking maybe use longer studs or custom building a stand or stilts
and if you need to reach higher use a step stool or wooden box if anything. im only surgesting 3ft, 4ft max
 

proheto8008

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i was just thinking about this system and how gr8 it is
this is byfar the best use of space ive seen yet
the only thing i can see inproving on is a better way in and out
climbing over seems so dangerous
do you think this system can be built off the ground,,, maybe start it like 3 to 4 ft off the floor so that you could just crawl under it also another plus would be you could put more plants under the light useing the floor space.
when im drunk or high i can crawl under something better then climb over something. this maynot be good if you have low ceilings- but for me this would work great- i was thinking maybe use longer studs or custom building a stand or stilts
and if you need to reach higher use a step stool or wooden box if anything. im only surgesting 3ft, 4ft max
im sure you can modify it any way that you see fit.
 

That 5hit

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you are a eginneer you are spposed to be able to look at something and know all the answer of what you want
build some shit and leave us alone
and i know i misspelled it so fuck you in advance
show us or blow us
where are your grows m8
if there anything like your avatar i know your not who you say you are
 

nickbbad

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I was looking into doing single wall versions each with there own res. So you start off smaller and upgrade by adding a new wall you could do 3,4,5,6 or 8 walls and this way you could a perpetual harvest with this set up. You could also move them closer or farther as need be and get inside easier. Here are some pics of what Im talking about. Excuse the crudity of them.
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fatman7574

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What do you want a copy of my last sentencing papers for a felony drug conviction, or just a photo layout of everything that would surely guarantee another one? People who post self incriminating evidence on line are just inflating their own egos and greatly increasing their chances of prison time. Kinda hard to stand on your fifth amendment rights after you have already posted photos of your crime on a public forum. As far as other creations would look like to look at design data for waste water treatment plants or water treatment plants. Grow up!
 

That 5hit

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I was looking into doing single wall versions each with there own res. So you start off smaller and upgrade by adding a new wall you could do 3,4,5,6 or 8 walls and this way you could a perpetual harvest with this set up. You could also move them closer or farther as need be and get inside easier. Here are some pics of what Im talking about. Excuse the crudity of them.
gr8 idea this is all you could have done
but it took some one else to do it FATS
but this is a gr8 add to the thread
and it would make it ezer to get in and out
maybe even make a 3 side unit and use this as a door
so you could have 2 res the 3 side unit and the door unit

+rep this guy




now this is what an engineer would do
 

greenyield

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I was looking into doing single wall versions each with there own res. So you start off smaller and upgrade by adding a new wall you could do 3,4,5,6 or 8 walls and this way you could a perpetual harvest with this set up. You could also move them closer or farther as need be and get inside easier. Here are some pics of what Im talking about. Excuse the crudity of them.
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ive been looking at creating something similar with nft top trays.
there is some guy on icmag.com http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=137017
that had 6 vertical coloums filled with hydroton drip fed with the reservoir on castor wheel type things so he could move them closer or farther away from the light. he had 40 plants per wall and two 1000 watt lights and claimed to have produced 9lbs.

my idea is to have something like the wall of water, see picture. i want to run it like nft and using nft top plates so i would have to angle it slightly so the water can flow.
 

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